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    My new workplace is having drills for what to do if there's an armed intruder. So much for fire and tornado drills.

    The drill consists of everyone getting off the floor and into the nearest available office. Then, to ward off the gun-toting maniac, it's a three-step process.

    1. Shut the door.

    2. Lock the door.

    3. Turn off the light.

    Yes, we're engaging the equivalent of using blankets to ward off monsters in the night. Our best idea of dealing with a terrorist or worker gone postal is to seal ourselves in with no exit and cower in the dark. To fight terror.

    Stupid, sure. But it's paid time off the phones, so why not appease the idiots in charge?

    Now come monday, we're getting the police involved in an "armed intruder drill". The police will be sending a man in with a gun loaded with blanks to play the part of an assailant. There will be cards to mark the killed and wounded. And we're to play dead if caught.

    Also part of the drill, we're not to call 911... we're to call building security... which would be the folks slain in the entryway. Yanno, to train us on what we're supposed to do in an actual emergency.

    I happen to sit facing the short corridor leading to the entryway. The only way any assailant would not see me as the first target after our minimal and naturally unarmed security would be if they snuck in with the smokers and crept up the far stairwell to wreak havoc on the collections department. At the point the armed man would step into view, I'd be seated... and he'd be closer to the row of offices than I. I'd have my choice of paths to run away being no cover or no room to maneuver...

    I'm an office temp doing customer service. I am, and I wish to be clear, NOT hired to participate in wargames as Civilian Casualty #3, nor does my job description entail the firing of blanks in my vicinity.

    Worse, of course, if I hurl my chair at the assailant and were to subdue him? I'd be commiting assault on a police officer.

    But the strangest of all? Nobody seems to grasp why, given the above... I would take the day off and ensure that I am across town getting new tires on my car rather than mess with this horribly demented and harmful plot to prepare us for slaughter.

    I think I prefer thinking these guys are just nuttily misguided. The sane part of my mind that looks into repercussions thinks that if there were, say, a building manager that wanted to go postal, but insisted on checking police response times and getaway routes (perhaps having substantial insurance on the employees) before committing murder and mayhem... this would be a fairly ideal method of ensuring local law enforcement and the employees would perform predictably.
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  • #2
    Remind me to never work where you do.
    Unseen but seeing
    oh dear, now they're masquerading as sane-KiaKat
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    • #3
      I'm replused yet morbidly interested... I want to be part of someone's wargames!

      We'll call it "Capture the Flag" and paintball will be in involved.
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      • #4
        I think Brandon Lee thought they were just blanks while filming "The Crow". This seems like a really stupid way of getting sued. What happens if someone gets so frightened they have a heart attack.
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        • #5
          Quoth Diablo View Post
          I think Brandon Lee thought they were just blanks while filming "The Crow". This seems like a really stupid way of getting sued. What happens if someone gets so frightened they have a heart attack.
          Actually, I looked it up when a friend joked about it. He was shot fatally with a blank... it's just that there was a squib stuck in the barrel from a previous take... with some homemade blanks. Death by lowest bidder!
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          • #6
            There's also the fact that given the way blank cartridges work, if you're within 10-15 feet of the shooter, the wadding has enough kinetic force to injure or even kill you, if it hits you in the right spot.

            Given where I work, anybody who tries to break in and shoot up the place is in for a bad time (lots of improvised weapon potential + combat vets = pain). If I knew such a thing was going down where I work, and wasn't able to show up with my AR-7 (or arrange for a co-worker to bring his AR-15) that day (no policy against it where I work, but it's not something you normally bring with you), I'd get a few colored sharpie markers, write "letter opener" on them, and when the shooter breaks in, throw them. No worries about injuring a police officer, and if you manage to put a green ink dot smack dab in the center of his forehead (or in his groin area, etc), before he "shoots" you, you would be a simulated hero for stopping the simulated rampage...

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            • #7
              Heh. I can't say I throw like a girl... most can pitch better than I. Pretty sure I couldn't get a marker hurled with that kind of accuracy... unless I made it a dart or a spear. Hard to assemble in a call center.
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              • #8
                Sounds like what my high school chose to do. Lock the door, turn off the lights, huddle against the wall not visible from the door.
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                • #9
                  There wa san actor in the 80's that essentially killed himself by putting a gun loaded with blanks to his teple and pulled the trigger. The force knocked him unconscious/comatose and he never recovered. Plug got pulled after a while.

                  Aside form that, isn't everyone running into the same office like shooting fish in a barrel? Why not designate multiple office so that are multiple opportunities to dial 911 and less risk of complete erradication?

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                  • #10
                    My boss when I do my security gig also does gun safety classes, and accidentally shot a hole through his hand with only a blank. At least the students in that class who were paying attention will be VERY careful with their guns in the future.
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                    • #11
                      Crash: It's not the same office... but the fun bit is that only two of them don't force people to run towards the assailant. The rest all have their doors along the same side of the large open area. The same wall with the short corridor leading to the entrance. We'd do a bit better running out the fire doors at the far end... that way, only those of us with the furthest to go would be shot.

                      I'm pretty boned no matter how I look at it.

                      Best bit? I tell my dad the whole situation for a chuckle... and he's mad! At me. He thinks it'd be fun. And that missing it might cost me my job. And that nothing bad can happen with blanks in the hands of the police or the company, because they'd be liable if it did go wrong. Yeah, why bother with avoiding a stupid risk if you can sue for cash and live as a cripple? Brilliant logic.
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                      • #12
                        The actor who died from a blank was Jon-Erik Hexum.

                        Brandon Lee died when a previous shot misfired, and the subsequent shot of a blank wound up firing the squib load, killing him.

                        Any workplace that wants to bring someone in firing blanks is taking a severe risk. And I'd make sure to bring in the workplace insurance company plus the local labor board. I'm sure they'd have a few choice things to say about that.

                        And if that wasn't enough, I think I'd be severely ill that day.

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                        • #13
                          Quoth Difdi View Post
                          wasn't able to show up with my AR-7 (or arrange for a co-worker to bring his AR-15)
                          how 'bout both? and I can think of a few that would work better, but those would do just fine

                          after hearing the dangers of blanks, why don't they put a silencer on the gun? the way silencers work is to capture the gasses and release them more slowly, and since it's a cop silencers can be used

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                          • #14
                            While I'd love to be on the "terrorist" end of the games*, I'd hate to be on the "victim" end of it... for a few reasons actually.
                            One, from my experience, they put the notice it's happening in the paper on the front page -- so no one in the community hearing "gunshots" will call 911 (actually, they did one before and were flooded by 911 calls [small town -- they said they got hundreds of calls]). I know, good policy in itself.... but it also means a person wanting to come in and shoot the place up knows not only when it'll be taking place - but also that 911 will be ignoring any calls about it (especially if they attack during the actual timeframe) so they'd get away with it. By the time anyone realizes it's real.... it'd be too late.
                            Second main reason being I've yet to see a realistic one... .one I've seen had 25 second response times for the police, fire, and ambulance when in reality it'd take more than that for them to get their car started and moving. They did a "if a terrorist were to take out a school...." and the police showed up within 25 seconds and apprehended the "terrorist" mid-shootout (if you get the picture.... the mock terrorist shot a cap gun, then the police that were about 20 ft away ran to take them out and they said "that's good response time -- we're safe!!!")



                            *I still say I and three people of my picking could completely take out my town of "prepared" individuals with virtually no effort (in a play way of course, wouldn't do it for real) -- won't say how... but their "practices" are so out of touch with reality that it's about as useful as finding out if someone likes peach cobbler by giving them an apple pie.
                            Last edited by JLRodgers; 10-02-2008, 10:58 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Ugh. This planned thing is staggeringly STUPID.


                              Not too long ago there was a similar sort of demonstration in France. A French regiment was doing an anti-terrorism demonstration using blanks...and then people started falling down.

                              Turns out the rifle wasn't loaded with blanks. Instead, it was firing live ammunition. A total of 17 people were wounded, some very seriously, but by some miracle I don't think anyone died. It was just a simple mixup with the magazines, but since through some fit of madness they decided to aim the weapon at people, assuming it was loaded with blanks and thus no harm would happen.

                              Always, always assume a weapon is dangerous. Only point a weapon at something you want to kill or destroy. Even blanks can be lethal, and thats assuming they're even blanks to begin with.
                              Last edited by Hyndis; 10-02-2008, 10:45 AM.

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