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  • #46
    Sorry to disappoint you, Steve, but I haven't been to Salt Lake City since May.

    "The Customer Is Always Right...But The Bartender Decides Who Is
    Still A Customer."

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    • #47
      Quoth Alpha Strike View Post
      However, I'm firmly convinced that the phone has some secret magic power that can make otherwise normal, rational people turning into raging assholes - or at least help them quickly down the path. It's the same phenomenon that turns decent folks into flaming douchebags when behind the wheel of the car and gives pimply 13 year old kids license to talk crap while on the internet.
      The latter is explained by GIFT (Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory), and all of the above are probably explained that while in those situations, the offending can't be punched in the face.

      (No, I'm not arguing that all SCs are best handled by physical violence. But the possibility that it may happen can be a deterrent.)
      No matter how low my opinion of humanity as a whole gets, there are always over-achievers who seek to surpass my expectations.

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      • #48
        Quoth Nohbody View Post
        But the possibility that it may happen can be a deterrent.)
        I have a feeling that this is going to spark a debate, so I posted my thoughts over on fratching.
        "I look at the stars. It's a clear night and the Milky Way seems so near. That's where I'll be going soon. "We are all star stuff." I suddenly remember Delenn's line from Joe's script. Not a bad prospect. I am not afraid. In the meantime, let me close my eyes and sense the beauty around me. And take that breath under the dark sky full of stars. Breathe in. Breathe out. That's all."
        -Mira Furlan

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        • #49
          Quoth Jester View Post
          And by the way, in what American city CAN underaged kids sit at the bar? Please, tell me. I am dying to know.
          It would not surprise me at all if that stuff can fly here. Then again, we're "special" ... They still won't get servd, but I'm sure kids will be allowed to sit there as long as the parents buy them a burger to eat while they're there. I am assuming a Bar & Grill-type place, not a straight bar, which they should never be able to even ENTER.

          I also recall graduation night from high school. They took us all to a bar and threw a kegger. Yes, some of the priests were in attendance as well, mainly just to make sure nobody started a fight (yes, we had a Padre or two who were tougher than their students)...

          Quoth Jester View Post
          China, I am 39, and have been carded recently. Well, not since my 39th birthday (June), but definitely since my 38th birthday. My girlfriend is a few weeks away from her 39th birthday, and she still gets carded, not just for booze, but for cigarettes as well. (She looks pretty damn young!) And neither one of us freaks out when we are carded....we simply hand over our IDs and laugh about it.
          Been awhile since I was carded (then again, I neither drink nor smoke, tho I occasionally do buy same for friends whom I have known long enough to verify their ages)...I consider it a compliment of the highest order when it does happen. I'm 34.

          When I first turned 21, I was PROUD to show my ID >_>
          "For a musician, the SNES sound engine is like using Crayola Crayons. Nobuo Uematsu used Crayola Crayons to paint the Sistine Chapel." - Jeremy Jahns (re: "Dancing Mad")
          "The difference between an amateur and a master is that the master has failed way more times." - JoCat
          "Thinking is difficult, therefore let the herd pronounce judgment!" ~ Carl Jung
          "There's burning bridges, and then there's the lake just to fill it with gasoline." - Wiccy, reddit
          "Retail is a cruel master, and could very well be the most educational time of many people's lives, in its own twisted way." - me
          "Love keeps her in the air when she oughta fall down...tell you she's hurtin' 'fore she keens...makes her a home." - Capt. Malcolm Reynolds, "Serenity" (2005)
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          • #50
            Quoth Jester View Post
            Apparently Not Obvious To Everyone

            Three people come in and sit at the bar. While the two parental types are clearly more than of age, their daughter (female companion? niece? concubine?) is of carding age. As they settle in, I ask to see the young one's ID. "Oh, she's not drinking." That's fine. However, if she is sitting at the bar, I have to see her ID. "But she's only drinking Coke." I understand. But (again), if she is sitting at the bar (which she so clearly is), I still need to see her ID. She is more than welcome to sit at the tables by the bar. The group can sit in the dining room without any trouble. But if you are sitting AT the bar, you have to be of age, with ID. I have explained all this to them very politely. Do they do what others have done in the past in the same situation? Such as rationally accept this and either all move to an off-bar table or have the youngster move? No. They get up and leave, heading (presumably) to another bar, where either they will get the same exact treatment, or the other bar just doesn't give a shit about their liquor license. Once again I need to point out that these were Americans, and that in my (and my friends' and acquaintances') experience, in just about every bar in the U.S., you cannot sit at the bar if you are not of legal drinking age.

            Too bad they didn't have a photocopy of her ID with them.
            I am 20, and look it. I have sat repeatedly at a bar in the state of Colorado and Michigan (without ordering a drink that contained alcohol) and have never been asked for ID to sit there. Maybe this is just a law in your local state?

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            • #51
              Quoth joe hx View Post
              photocopied id = easy fake id
              And what's better than photocopied ID? A "Birth certificate" that was clearly made in MS paints or Adobe Photoshop and doesn't look a thing like the ones any municipal building would print out.

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              • #52
                Quoth EricKei View Post
                It would not surprise me at all if that stuff can fly here. Then again, we're "special" ... They still won't get servd, but I'm sure kids will be allowed to sit there as long as the parents buy them a burger to eat while they're there.
                My Rockin' Nanager has been in the industry a lot longer than me, and I've been doing this since 1986. And her whole philosophy on this is that kids at the bar are taking up space that is therefore costing the bar and bartender(s) business and money. Even if the kid gets a burger, what's a kid's burger? Six bucks? In place of a person who might be having a few beers, martinis, adult food, what have you? Also, in the BAR area of the restaurant, adults want to be able to be adults and speak like adults, and not have to watch what they say because there are kids there.

                Kids are, in essence, a waste of space.

                (No one get mad--that was said just in regards to space in a bar, not on the planet.)

                Quoth Zeniq View Post
                I am 20, and look it. I have sat repeatedly at a bar in the state of Colorado and Michigan (without ordering a drink that contained alcohol) and have never been asked for ID to sit there. Maybe this is just a law in your local state?
                Honestly, it rarely has to do with the law. There is actually no Florida state law nor Key West city law that prevents children from sitting at the bar. It is, however, policy. Not just in our bar, but in just about every bar. Why? Several reasons. In addition to the wasted space issue as mentioned above, it is better for the bar's liability to not have underaged people sitting in the area that is primarily there for drinking of alcoholic beverages. I know, six year olds are probably not going to be drinking, but when you get into teenagers and under 21 adults, you and I both know a lot of them are going to try to be drinking, and a lot of their friends and family are going to be trying to help them do just that. Now, if people want to believe that it is the law, that is fine by me, and by most people I know. I won't lie about it, but I won't necessarily correct them if they are under that impression, either.

                Quoth NateTheChops View Post
                And what's better than photocopied ID? A "Birth certificate" that was clearly made in MS paints or Adobe Photoshop and doesn't look a thing like the ones any municipal building would print out.
                Honestly, even if the birth certificate is 100% authentic, with the state seal and all that nonsense, it would not be valid for purchase of age-controlled items, such as alcohol, tobacco, lottery tickets, or adult magazines. Why? Well, beyond the fact that birth certificates are not one of the clearly defined items that are acceptable for such purchases, they are also not picture IDs. Even someone who doesn't know what IDs are acceptable for such purchases usually knows that it has to be a picture ID!

                "The Customer Is Always Right...But The Bartender Decides Who Is
                Still A Customer."

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                • #53
                  Quoth blas View Post
                  I'm not surprised Jester was hit up for weed......don't give druggies very much credit here, kiddos. Do you really expect people with the mindset of Jeff Spicoli to know better than to hit up strangers (or potentially, undercover cops) for weed?

                  Every time I go to the bars with my girlfriends, I get asked by at least one person if I know of anyone who has "nuggets" or even sometimes they want coke or Ex. I didn't even realize people in this podunk, farming part of the state did Ex. I just get really offended that someone thinks I look like a drug user.
                  You do know that alcohol is a drug, yes?

                  Also:

                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPQDw1D9jaE
                  Last edited by Mordecai; 08-16-2009, 03:39 AM.

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                  • #54
                    Quoth Jester View Post
                    Even someone who doesn't know what IDs are acceptable for such purchases usually knows that it has to be a picture ID!
                    I wouldn't count on it. Lately, I've been getting a lot of nitwits that seem to think their credit cards are acceptable id when picking up a control prescription or pseudoephedrine. And not the ones that have their photo on it (which isn't acceptable, either).
                    It's floating wicker propelled by fire!

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                    • #55
                      Pagan -- I haven't seen much of that lately, but I have waited on peopel who seem to think that a non-picture CC is somehow valid ID. I recall seeing that a lot in the 80's...
                      "For a musician, the SNES sound engine is like using Crayola Crayons. Nobuo Uematsu used Crayola Crayons to paint the Sistine Chapel." - Jeremy Jahns (re: "Dancing Mad")
                      "The difference between an amateur and a master is that the master has failed way more times." - JoCat
                      "Thinking is difficult, therefore let the herd pronounce judgment!" ~ Carl Jung
                      "There's burning bridges, and then there's the lake just to fill it with gasoline." - Wiccy, reddit
                      "Retail is a cruel master, and could very well be the most educational time of many people's lives, in its own twisted way." - me
                      "Love keeps her in the air when she oughta fall down...tell you she's hurtin' 'fore she keens...makes her a home." - Capt. Malcolm Reynolds, "Serenity" (2005)
                      Acts of Gord – Read it, Learn it, Love it!
                      "Our psychic powers only work if the customer has a mind to read." - me

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                      • #56
                        Quoth BaristaTrav View Post
                        And I'm guessing they had Miami-Dade or Broward plates. Just a wild guess..

                        As for the ID idiots.. I think tourists think Key West is some sorta wild, no-rules, anything goes hedonistic Caligula-typle place 24/7 (like every day is FantasyFest). And a lot of these people are probably coming off of cruise ships. And as you probably know, ALL the cruise lines are very lax about serving alcohol to minors.
                        Hmm, correct me if I'm wrong, but while a cruise ship is in international waters, there would be no legal drinking age. In theory, you could serve a 10 year old.

                        Quoth Jester View Post
                        Who or what is Morgan Spurlock??!?!
                        The guy who made the documentary 'Super-size Me' a few years ago
                        Aliterate : A person who is capable of reading but unwilling to do so.

                        "A man who does not read has no advantage over a man who cannot" - Mark Twain

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                        • #57
                          Quoth Jester View Post
                          And by the way, in what American city CAN underaged kids sit at the bar? Please, tell me. I am dying to know.
                          Wolfpoint MT.....34 years ago I used to sit and drink shirley temples and spin around on the bar stool while my grandpa had is afternoon visit with his buddies.
                          Tamezin

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                          • #58
                            Quoth Jester View Post

                            Honestly, even if the birth certificate is 100% authentic, with the state seal and all that nonsense, it would not be valid for purchase of age-controlled items, such as alcohol, tobacco, lottery tickets, or adult magazines. Why? Well, beyond the fact that birth certificates are not one of the clearly defined items that are acceptable for such purchases, they are also not picture IDs. Even someone who doesn't know what IDs are acceptable for such purchases usually knows that it has to be a picture ID!
                            It doesn't stop kids from trying it though, hence my point.

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                            • #59
                              Quoth infinitemonkies View Post
                              The guy who made the documentary 'Super-size Me' a few years ago
                              Okay, never saw the movie, but just googled the guy.

                              And no, I do NOT look like him. And no, Blas, you never told me that. If you had, I would have been protesting then as I am now.

                              "The Customer Is Always Right...But The Bartender Decides Who Is
                              Still A Customer."

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