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  • The Freelance Art World: What I am Finding out

    Long time no see! That's because I haven't had a full blown real SC story since I started the self employed artist route after getting freed from Sub Hell.

    There is one small aspect, though, that I am starting to find out about the types of people who want my services.

    Most of my commission work comes from sites like Fur Affinity, and sometimes DeviantART, with a little bit from people I already know in person thrown in. About 95% of the people who commission me from those places are members of those sites, themselves. They also have a good grasp on the commission process and have easy access to my journals on said sites that list my commission prices/info/slot availability. They have a strong understanding of what work really goes into creating art. They may not be artists themselves, or they are artists but love commissioning their favorite artists for renditions of their original characters. Stuff like that is what's keeping my self employment thriving.

    There is, however, another type of commissioner that lurks around those art sites. (Mainly DeviantART) These are the people who don't have an account at said site and are almost always the more corporate, starting up a business, who really know little to nothing about the art process or how Photoshop works. They see an artist whose art they like and then contact them through a personal email offering them some form of art related job.

    You would think that sounds really nice, right? But from what I have come to find from the latter group is they almost always want to make the artist they are commissioning do the maximum amount of work with the minimum amount of pay. (All the while being 3 times as picky as anyone else) They also almost always state in their emails that they are a "start up" business (thus implying they aren't willing to spend what they think would be too much money on art) I quote a price and they him and haw and claim they need to run that through their boss first, etc.

    Another thing I dislike about this group is if I accept an offer then I feel like they are now my boss and have a lot more pressure under me. One of the things I love most about self employment is being my own boss.

    Anyways, I think I just got one of those recently. Some start up place in another country who really liked an image of mine that I had already made asked me if they could use it for their business. I told them that I would be happy to sell them the rights to use the image in any way they wish. I quoted them a price, and also stated that this would include me sending over the full psd file with open layers after I received payment through PayPal.

    I just heard back from them today saying they would do that price, but then also told me they wanted me to enlarge some things on the bottom of the drawing for them first.

    Wait a second. They never once mentioned that when they were saying how much they liked my image in the first email. Secondly, on an already finished drawing, even with un-merged layers, it's almost literally impossible to do something such as that, especially when the inks are on their own layer, the flat colors on another, and the shading, then highlights on their own layers. (That's how I do my layers. I share my layers because it's more efficient and optimizes space rather than each object from outline to shading having its own personal layer)

    Also taking into account of the other parts of the drawing surrounding the items they want enlarged. I would have to actually re-do the things they want enlarged for that to even happen. And even if I could do a simple click and enlarge on each item, it would stretch them out and make them blurrier. (Which is what happens when you go from smaller to bigger)

    I sent them a reply stating what I just stated above in this post, and I could go and re-make those things but that it would raise the cost of the image.

    I guess I will see what they say, but the great thing about being self employed is if it gets stupid enough I can simply walk away and not deal with it.
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    My Weasyl Page: https://www.weasyl.com/profile/thetigress

  • #2
    I can pretty much relate! I used to do freelance work. I studied 3D Animation in college and used to do a lot of freelance. I can relate with the super picky. I once did a 3D model for a guy who wanted to start a group of 6 or so 3D artists. The model in question was a dump truck and because he knew absolutely nothing of the processes, he kept changing his mind. First it was just a simple model, no textures, no rigging and no animation. It then turned into a model with texture, then oh wait scratch that! No texture but I want an animation of the truck dumping! Oh wait no! Just a model with textures! Oh wait no! a full out model with textures AND animation! This went on for days until I just said Oh wait no! FORGET IT! That was when I was told he did not have any money to pay me after the initial amount agreed to!

    Hopefully your experiences are better!

    -ExArtShopSlave
    Last edited by ExArtShopSlave; 11-21-2012, 10:57 PM.

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    • #3
      Edit: Please note though, I did have a few good clients. While I no longer do commissions for strangers, I still do 3D for friends and myself. There are good clients out there and I am sure they will find you.

      -ExArtShopSlave.

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      • #4
        People on Furaffinity really do tend to be great customers. (Though I've had a few truly awful ones from there too.)

        Thankfully I don't generally get the corporate types. I think the closest I've come was a guy who wanted to buy one of my patterns in order to have the plush mass-produced, which I ended up declining because the patterns as I use them are REALLY not usable by anybody else (no seam allowance on them, no marks to line them up, no labels of what pieces are which, some of them are made of duct tape, some of them just have things scribbled on them where it turns out the shapes aren't quite right, and I adjust them every time, etc.) and he wasn't willing to pay what I would charge to convert the pattern into a usable format.
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        • #5
          Man, I'm still trying to get into the freelance artist thing, but no one wants my stuff. People only want free art from me.

          I frequent the Job Offers forum, and a lot of potential clients there are infuriating. They request a crap load of work for very low pay, then try to justify their decisions in stupid ways. Like you I have seen a lot of these people describe themselves as "start up" companies, which is still annoying, because they've done no research at all.

          They'll say things like, "I'm starting a bakery, and I need a logo. We don't have anything to show you, don't have a philosophy yet, and I'm still looking for bakers, but if I get this logo I can get started. Oh, and since I'm just starting out I can't pay you too much, but I want the logo to be nice and professional. You get $10, but if I really like it I'll give you $15. I want to see sketches before I pay you, and I'll choose the guy I like to work on it."

          Ugh. Then if you call them out on it other people say stuff like, "It's DA, you're not meant to make money here." I hate that people just accept it!


          Keep us posted, I want to know what that company says about your response.
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          • #6
            This and my laziness is why I do not try for commission writing...I don't have time for this sort of crap.
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            • #7
              I've had a few art jobs here and there, mostly good. I've done caricatures at parties, taking in $80 an hour plus tips - those jobs were few and far between, though. I did a few separate caricature jobs, including one of a dog. No problems there.

              I did turn down one job, though. A local graphic design company was willing to contract me to create art for a card game, paying about $1200 when the project was done. Problem was that I'd have to produce ALL the art for the game. They would have accepted black and white line work, but that's a tremendous amount of work, and there's very few up to that kind of challenge.

              Just stick to your guns, and if you smell BS, there will invariably be BS. It's the corporate types that lowball, pester, and nitpick. Keep an eye on them, too, because they tend to be the ones who will just violate your copyright if they can't pay for/get the image for free.

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              • #8
                I'll have to remember some of this, and maybe even ask for insights from the artistic types on the board here, when I start shopping around for people to do some artwork/illustrations/etc. for my "Star Force One" series...
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                • #9
                  Quoth ExArtShopSlave View Post
                  I can pretty much relate! I used to do freelance work. I studied 3D Animation in college and used to do a lot of freelance. I can relate with the super picky. I once did a 3D model for a guy who wanted to start a group of 6 or so 3D artists. The model in question was a dump truck and because he knew absolutely nothing of the processes, he kept changing his mind. First it was just a simple model, no textures, no rigging and no animation. It then turned into a model with texture, then oh wait scratch that! No texture but I want an animation of the truck dumping! Oh wait no! Just a model with textures! Oh wait no! a full out model with textures AND animation! This went on for days until I just said Oh wait no! FORGET IT! That was when I was told he did not have any money to pay me after the initial amount agreed to!

                  Hopefully your experiences are better!

                  -ExArtShopSlave
                  Wow, the nerve of that guy! Sadly, that doesn't surprise me in the least that something like that ended up happening. If he had even a small amount of knowlege of 3D programs he would not have been so quick to change the model up so many times. I have some experience in 3D Studio Max and 3D modeling and it's HARD WORK. I found the program itself to be extremely difficult and a little too technical for me to grasp so I never kept at it. 3D modeling is extremely hard, too.

                  Quoth spark View Post
                  People on Furaffinity really do tend to be great customers. (Though I've had a few truly awful ones from there too.)
                  I agree. FA commissioners are fantastic. I do get a bit tired of drawing the "furry" art, but it's what's paying the bills so to speak. I also don't do any of the sexual/fetish stuff, either, because there are some weird things on that site.

                  Quoth SourRobot View Post
                  I frequent the Job Offers forum, and a lot of potential clients there are infuriating. They request a crap load of work for very low pay, then try to justify their decisions in stupid ways. Like you I have seen a lot of these people describe themselves as "start up" companies, which is still annoying, because they've done no research at all.

                  They'll say things like, "I'm starting a bakery, and I need a logo. We don't have anything to show you, don't have a philosophy yet, and I'm still looking for bakers, but if I get this logo I can get started. Oh, and since I'm just starting out I can't pay you too much, but I want the logo to be nice and professional. You get $10, but if I really like it I'll give you $15. I want to see sketches before I pay you, and I'll choose the guy I like to work on it."

                  Ugh. Then if you call them out on it other people say stuff like, "It's DA, you're not meant to make money here." I hate that people just accept it!

                  Keep us posted, I want to know what that company says about your response.
                  I agree, the Job Offers section is absolutely ridiculous. They also have this attitude that you should feel extremely lucky that they need art in the first place.

                  I'll be sure to post an update when I hear back from them.
                  My Fur Affinity Page:https://www.furaffinity.net/user/thetigress/
                  My Weasyl Page: https://www.weasyl.com/profile/thetigress

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                  • #10
                    I get a lot of work from FA folks too, as well as by attending a lot of conventions.
                    I seldom have really picky clients, tho I often get a LOT of specifics about how a character is dressed or marked. And that's okay, cuz you pays your money and you makes your choice, ya know?
                    I work in traditional media only, and I often have to tell people 'there is no 'undo' button in my work...you can't change your mind on the design half-way through!'. I will do approval sketches for any project costing $100 or more, but below that price I don't have the time to get approval from the client, or to constantly make changes. I ask that they trust me, that they have seen a lot of my work, they know I'm good, so why wouldn't my work for them be good too?

                    And I do NOT trust places that want you to do all the work BEFORE they pay you. Or the old 'we'll pay you if this project sells' spiel. Or even worse, the 'this will get you great exposure!' deal...no money, of course, but won't it be great advertising for you? Um, no....FU, Pay Me!
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                    • #11
                      Quoth Enjis View Post

                      Or even worse, the 'this will get you great exposure!' deal...no money, of course, but won't it be great advertising for you? Um, no....FU, Pay Me!
                      That just reminded me, I got one of those the other day! Got a random email from a person "creating a new social network game" and they gave me that line of it being great exposure for my work. Fuck that noise, I don't work for free. At the time I didn't even consider that they were not even going to pay me, but I had replied saying that I was too busy with commission work from other websites. I never heard back from them after that. If I would have known they were trying to con me into doing free art for them I would have been much more blunt in my reply.

                      The nerve of some people.

                      I'm honestly considering ONLY taking commissions on the websites I frequent that I offer them at, like Fur Affinity, DA, or Weasyl. Also only taking the types of commissions that I AM OFFERING. That way the price and info is clear and already set to the people looking for a commission. No more of this "start up business" "start up game company" types of offers. I am self-employed for a reason.
                      My Fur Affinity Page:https://www.furaffinity.net/user/thetigress/
                      My Weasyl Page: https://www.weasyl.com/profile/thetigress

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                      • #12
                        I'm currently trying to break into doing freelance commissions myself and personally cannot wait for the first customer I get of this type. Why? Because I can't wait to tell them point-blank to perform and impossible act of masturbation. I am gleefully awaiting the first time I can just stick it to a sucky commissioner.
                        "I am nothing if not an equal opportunity asshole." -Gravekeeper

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                        • #13
                          I've got several friends who often go through this "fr33artzkthx' crap. Lucky for me, I can joke with them about it, because they know what I mean:
                          Them - "Yay! All my commissions are done!"
                          Me - "Yay! Fr33artzkbai time!"

                          My suggestion, however, to anyone who comes along begging for commisions: Give them a stick figure drawing.
                          It'll either set them off or shut them down. And you can easily shut them up more with a simple "Get what you paid for".

                          A side note, I might look into getting a commission from you, once I get money into paypal.
                          Sucky Employees = The result of sucky customers getting a job...

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                          • #14
                            Golly, I had hoped to commission someone to make a simple business logo for me, but now I'm too scared to ask!
                            "Bring me knitting!" (The Doctor - not the one you were expecting)

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                            • #15
                              Quoth KatherineB View Post
                              Golly, I had hoped to commission someone to make a simple business logo for me, but now I'm too scared to ask!
                              You can get it. Just be willing to pay a fair price. Don't overpay, either, though: there are sucky people on the artist end of the equation, too.

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