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  • You want to go to GERMANY? (ranty)

    No offense to Germany or Germans.


    So my mother goes to this convention called Celebration of Needlework every year, and apparently one of the women who coordinates it also organizes trips to various places around to the world to see various things relating to needlework, knitting, sewing, etc. They just finished one such trip to England, and the next one is to Germany.

    And out of nowhere, my mother wants to go.

    Now, I have nothing against Germany, but I just don't understand why my mother would suddenly want to go on a trip like this. She doesn't speak a lick of German, and I don't see how she can justify spending family money on something like that. My father has been trying for years to plan a family vacation to Ireland. I'm 3/4 Irish, and just about my entire extended family is Irish (except for my paternal grandfather's line, which is Chinese, so I'm 1/4 Chinese), and I would LOVE to take a trip to Ireland (and hopefully be able to spend at least a day in London as well). But instead, my mother has to go and fly off to Germany (and Belgium) to see how lace is made? (That's the only specific thing she mentioned). I'm sorry, but that strikes me as completely ridiculous and unfair, especially when we haven't had a family vacation in 5 years, but both my parents have been on several trips (granted, most of the ones my father went on were business/professional trips, but still).

    Now, this has only come up this evening, and last I heard my mother and father were discussing the feasibility of her going to Germany, so it's far from set in stone. But I think I'll need to have a discussion with my mother about this, because the more I think about it, the more upset it makes me. I have enough money saved up that I could go to Europe if I wanted to, but only if I was going with the rest of the family so that I'd only have to pay a portion of the expense rather than the whole shebang.

    This is made even more irritating by the fact that I missed out on a chance to go to Ireland last year. My grandmother (who was born in Ireland and emigrated when she was 18) had expressed a desire to go back one more time while she was still in reasonably good shape (she's starting to get arthritis in her back), so my mother and aunts took her there. At first, though, it looked like one of my aunts couldn't make it, so they were prepared to extend her slot to an "elder grandson" (ha!) which would have been me. And it would have been relatively cheap for me (only a couple grand). But in the end, my aunt was able to make it, so that opportunity evaporated.

    Seriously.....if she ends up going to Germany, then the rest of the family should get to go somewhere as well. It's only fair.

    [/end rant]
    "We guard the souls in heaven; we don't horse-trade them!" Samandrial in Supernatural

    RIP Plaidman.

  • #2
    Upon further reflection, it occurs to me that my family will probably be broken up soon. That is, sooner or later I'm going to break out of this funk I'm in and will find more gainful employment, at which time I'll have the means to move into my own place. One of my brothers is close to graduating from college, and so he may well end up striking out on his own. And my other brother is in high school and before we know it will be in college, and then who knows where he'll end up?

    The point here is that the opportunity to do something BIG like this as a family is diminishing rapidly. While we're all still together, and while we have the means to do it, I think we should.

    I need to discuss this with my father.
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    RIP Plaidman.

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    • #3
      I think that's a fair point to make. Maybe your mom is just looking for an adventure and an opportunity has arisen with her friends. If you can afford to do a big family trip before everyone scatters to school and whatnot, maybe they'll go for it. There's needlework in Ireland, I'm sure.

      Edit: My roomie just got back from Ireland a couple weeks ago. They worked their way from Shannon to Dublin over a week, and had a blast.
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      • #4
        The language thing isn't going to be as much of an issue as you think. English is spoken widely around Europe, mostly a result of ignorant Brits wandering around cluelessly.

        Rapscallion

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        • #5
          Quoth Rapscallion View Post
          The language thing isn't going to be as much of an issue as you think. English is spoken widely around Europe, mostly a result of ignorant Brits wandering around cluelessly.

          Rapscallion
          Good point. We have some family friends; one of the sons is married to a woman from Germany. She speaks fluent English, and it's not just from having lived here for the last several years.
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          I don't believe just 'cause ideas are tenacious
          It means that they're worthy - Tim Minchin, "White Wine in the Sun"

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          • #6
            *Sigh*

            So she's definitely going to Germany. I found out today when she mentioned she just paid the deposit on the airfare.

            Me: Oh, so you're actually going?

            Mom: Don't tell me you're so out of the loop you didn't know that. It's been definite for a while, it's just that this was the earliest the flight could be booked.

            I'm so out of the loop? No, no no. It's not that I am out of the loop; it's more like I'm not kept in it, because you never tell me anything. Heck, the only reason I even found out about ANY of this was because I happened to be standing there while it was being discussed.

            I'm dead serious. They just don't tell me anything. There's a running joke I have going with some of my friends that my mother might someday knock on my door and hand me some boxes and say "start packing."

            Me: What do you mean, "start packing?"

            Mom: Hello? We're moving!!

            It would be funny if it weren't so plausible. But that's another rant for another time.

            I still need to have a discussion with my parents about this issue, but for various reasons I never had the opportunity, and then I forgot about it until it came up again today.
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            RIP Plaidman.

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            • #7
              Quoth Rapscallion View Post
              The language thing isn't going to be as much of an issue as you think. English is spoken widely around Europe, mostly a result of ignorant Brits wandering around cluelessly.

              Rapscallion
              I would say it was ignorant Americans....

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              • #8
                I've heard that students are required to learn English in school in Germany and The Netherlands. Can anyone confirm that???

                When I was in Spain a lot of people there couldn't speak English. There it's offered at private schools.

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                • #9
                  Holland - to go further into higher education (17 or 18 and up, I think), you have to be pretty good in one foreign language. Most take German or English, and very few take French. They're quite biased, in my experience.

                  No idea about other countries.

                  Rapscallion

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                  • #10
                    What's your father's take on this?

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                    • #11
                      Quoth ditchdj View Post
                      I've heard that students are required to learn English in school in Germany and The Netherlands. Can anyone confirm that???

                      When I was in Spain a lot of people there couldn't speak English. There it's offered at private schools.
                      In Denmark, English lessons are compulsory from 3rd grade up to 9th grade. At 7th grade you have to take lessons in one more language, most often one can choose between German and French.
                      During highschool you have the option of learning Russian, Italian, Latin or Greek (plus French if you had German in elementary and vice versa).

                      I think Germany has similar rules - we once went to visit a highschool in Rostock, and everybody in that school were very good at English.
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                      • #12
                        I think you should be happy for her.
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                        • #13
                          I think you are being selfish. Before you get angry, let me add that being selfish is not always a bad thing. In this case, you are being selfish in that you want the family to have a trip, together, that everyone wants to go on and can go on. There is nothing wrong with this kind of selfishness.

                          Now, my take on this whole thing is twofold. First, if she is spending her money to go on this trip by herself (or with your father), you really have no business saying a thing about it. If, however, the expenditure for this trip will prevent another trip to, say, Ireland, or any other family trip that would have satisfied what you are hoping for, then she is being selfish, and not in a good way. If it is the first case, be happy for her and look forward to the next family trip. If it is the second, I feel you are justified in your gloomy outlook.

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                          • #14
                            Personally, I'd love to visit Germany, but I'm biased - born there. That having been said, I can't really see myself flying to Europe just to see how lace is made. One hopes that she'll add a castle or two to her list of places to visit? Schloss Neuschwanstein is pretty...

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                            • #15
                              Quoth Ben_Who View Post
                              I can't really see myself flying to Europe just to see how lace is made.
                              Most people can't see going to France just to watch a bunch of guys ride bicycles....but for me, the Tour de France would be the greatest reason ever to go to Gaul. It would be bordering on religious, as I am a bicyclist. But of course all my friends would only want to shop/drink/eat in Paris, and could give two shits about the Tour.

                              My point being that everyone has their own personal reasons for going some place. While lace only interests me if it is adorning a lovely female of the species, it obviously interests the OP's mother in a totally different way. To each their own.

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