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  • Spying on your Friends.

    I have a fear, that after posting this I might end up rather unliked. The reason is rather simple. I'm going to start a thread that centers around one part of my old job description at Lowe's. It's something you rarely hear of, but every associate knows they exist. In fact, they're usually rather hated and seen as scum.

    I'm talking about Moles.

    What is a mole?

    Well, the description as it was related to me is this:

    A mole is an employee who is hired for one express purpose. This purpose is to actively spy on their fellow employees, managment, and in some cases LP. Nine times out of ten, only the District head of LP knows what stores they are in, and whom they are watching. (Usually it's one person, but in the case of some stores it may be a whole location if loss is too common.) Moles are paid by corporate, at a rate comparable to management. They operate in various ways, some who are known by management of the company, most who are not. Very often, if a store has one mole, you can bet that there's several more. Furthermore, it's not uncommon for them to not know of each other. Lastly, you will NEVER get a member of LP to actually admit they do this, or that the company does.

    So, here's the discussion part of it. Without relating a huge story, here's my history.

    I was hired at Lowe's under the pretense of being a Cashier. However, I'd had some serious managment training, and had worked for a time as a jailor. I think, it was this that brought me to LP's attention. The district head offered me a job as a mole, at greater pay, with a single solitary task. Every week, I would submit a written report by mail to her. This report would include any and all suspicious activities I had witnessed. It may also include any safety violations, or similar. However, it had to always be witnessed. I couldn't write in about rumors.

    Monthly, I would meet with her on my day off from the store. There I would relate any changes I may have seen, suspicions, and review what I knew of the loss of the store. I would also go over any evidence I had gathered against fellow employees, and await my orders what to continue with and what to dismiss.

    One case in point, I was watching our store manager. LP knew that he was stealing somehow, but could not prove it. At the time, I'm told there were six or seven Moles following him at any given time. I was but one of them. Ultimately, when he transferred to another store it was discovered by a mole in recieving just what was going on. This man was marking items down to a penny (where they would then be destroyed typically) and then buying them and taking the items home.

    Personally, I was responsible for the termination of two employees. In my investigations while working as a "Returns CSA" I witnessed two cashiers who were clocking in some thirty minutes or more before the store opened. In my weekly review I noted this, and the LP pulled up their clock records from the prior weeks. Over all, these two had stolen some six hours by clocking in early, and then staying late. When I came to work the next day, I was shocked to find they were gone. (Ok, not shocked they were gone. More that it happened so fast.) The rumor around the store was that we had a Mole... Well, you know the truth. No one then actually believed it.

    So, why did I keep quiet this long? To be honest, I was told up front that I was going to make enemies. In all likelyhood, I was going to be the cause of termination for more than one employee. If these people found out what I did, most likely I faced threats or even harm to my person. So, I kept quiet.

    Here's the deal:

    What do you think of this practice? Do you like it, hate it? Have you ever heard of it? Done it? What are all your thoughts?
    Learn wisdom by the follies of others.

  • #2
    I want a job like that! At least I'd be able to do something about bad employees instead of just sulking and having to do extra work because of them.

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    • #3
      I have heard of it and knew about it. Sometimes its a necessary evil as long as it doesnt turn into some kind of mcarthy/kgb witch hunt.

      Yeah it would sort of be interesting I guess to be a mcbond.

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      • #4
        I work at Lowe's. I would like to be a Mole. Hell, there's a guy in my department that steals time from the company daily.

        Anyway, I agree with it being a necessary evil these days. Companies must protect their assets, and most stealing is internal.

        Are you feeling guilty about it? It seems to me you are, a bit. But if I remember correctly, you don't work there anymore? I wouldn't worry about it too much. If you have a guilty conscience, then go to confession or talk to a friend or whatever.
        Age and wisdom don't necessarily go together. Some people just become stupid with more authority.

        "Who put the goat in there? The yellow goat I ate."

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        • #5
          I don't think it would be a very good practice, especially seeing as how moles could affect union organizing campaigns (and we all know how much management loves unions). I wouldn't want to be one, that's for sure.
          free from the evil clutches of crappy tire

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          • #6
            At my store, all the employees are trained to watch out for certain things, and if they notice anything suspiscious (like somebody stealing something), they should tell whatever manager is in charge. So in that sense all our employees can be "moles".

            I've not heard of it occuring with my company. But I guess they would be OK to have. Had we had moles we could've busted the no-goodnik recieving specialist who stole thousands of dollars from us by stealing DVDs and video games and returning them for cash. Or the girl in pharmacy who would go and get change and pocket most of it.I wouldn't want to be a mole though.
            Knowledge is power. Power corrupts. Study hard. Be evil.

            "I never said I wasn't a horrible person."--Me, almost daily

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            • #7
              it seems like secret shoppers
              if done right by a good employee it can be great for the company but if done poorly by a bad employee it can wreak havoc

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              • #8
                Sadly, at my store, if we had a mole, most of us would be fired. Everybody breaks the rules, and although not all of us steal, we do things that would be considered dishonest and grounds for termination. (nothing too bad. not something you would have to serve jailtime for)

                But if someone asked me if I would take more money and be a mole, I'd do it in a heartbeat. I'm pretty good at acting incognito.

                Olive juice you too.

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                • #9
                  While I generally hate the practice, I think it does a world of good to weed out employee theft/basic incompetence and how many of us have worked with people who got away with murder?

                  I know I have PLENTY of people like that on staff and I am an inadvertent mole.

                  How?

                  I've simply worked here longer than 90% of the staff. I know the score. I know the policy inside and out. And I also know that I get major brownie points for discovering discrepancies on the records and figuring out who doesn't do their job.

                  Have people gotten fired? Yes. Under my watch or because of what I've reported? Possibly. And I fully expect them to do the same thing to me; we have a system: We cover each other's asses, AS LONG AS no one jeopardizes the work integrity of the other without it being deserved.
                  Sometimes, it just doesn't pay to get out of the blanket nest.

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                  • #10
                    Quoth BrassCowboy View Post
                    Sadly, at my store, if we had a mole, most of us would be fired. Everybody breaks the rules, and although not all of us steal, we do things that would be considered dishonest and grounds for termination. (nothing too bad. not something you would have to serve jailtime for)

                    But if someone asked me if I would take more money and be a mole, I'd do it in a heartbeat. I'm pretty good at acting incognito.
                    Same here. It doesnt help that most of our policies are complete

                    (I knew I'd find a use for that smilie)
                    Last edited by El Barto; 10-13-2006, 06:46 PM.
                    "Never argue with an idiot; they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." - Anonymous

                    "I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual." - Dr. House

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                    • #11
                      While I dont like the practice, I see that its needed. The only concern I would have is being caught up in incomplete or unrealistic store policy.

                      I still like ya though respac. I think if your stealing from a company you deserve termination.
                      I wasnt put on this earth to make you feel like a man ~ Mary Bertone

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                      • #12
                        At least, in the case you mentioned, the company requires you to have witnessed stuff, which is one strong point in their favor. And it seems like they have a bit of cross-checking, also important.

                        I'm not opposed to the practice, per se. It actually seems like an, at times, needed policy. But if a company does it, it needs to be done carefully, and they really need to emphasize to their spies that they're not out on a witch hunt.

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                        • #13
                          I think I would like a job like that except for the one thing - people would get fired over my reporting. It's sounds like a cool job, however, if I got to know some people at the location, it would be hard to know I cost them their job. I guess that's the nature of the business though.
                          "I'm still walking, so I'm sure that I can dance!" from Saint of Circumstance - Grateful Dead

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                          • #14
                            I guess, what bugs me about it, is knowing I was responsible for the firing of people I thought were my friends. Or, at the very least THEY thought I was a friend. I'm certain, that if they believed that they were really being watched, none of it would have happened. But, then again, I couldn't tell them. I know, when they were fired it was simply chalked up to an anonymous report, or witnessed by a manager. Though, they never gave the manager's name...
                            Learn wisdom by the follies of others.

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                            • #15
                              As far as the time bandits go, you shouldn't have had to say anything. That very easily could have been discovered had the payroll manager done their job and reviewd the clocked hours. Don't feel like that is your fault at all.
                              The only words you said that I understood were "His", "Phone" and "Ya'll". The other 2 paragraphs worth was about as intelligible as a drunken Teletubby barkin' come on's at a Hooter's waitress.

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