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  • #16
    Quoth Jack View Post
    You may find these useful. The only things that I will ever say to a police officer who is interacting with me officially:

    1. Am I under arrest?
    2. Am I being detained?
    3. I do not consent to a search.
    Just last week, I did up a bunch of business cards for a customer that had a nice little speech to read to a police officer in such occasion. "I understand you are doing you job... If I am under arrest, please tell me now... If not, please let me leave..." and so on.

    He had one that someone gave him years ago, and he wanted a new one, with a few extras to hand out to friends.
    "Kamala the Ugandan Giant" 1950-2020 • "Bullet" Bob Armstrong 1939-2020 • "Road Warrior Animal" 1960-2020 • "Zeus" Tiny Lister Jr. 1958-2020 • "Hacksaw" Butch Reed 1954-2021 • "New Jack" Jerome Young 1963-2021 • "Mr. Wonderful" Paul Orndorff 1949-2021 • "Beautiful" Bobby Eaton 1958-2021 • Daffney 1975-2021

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    • #17
      Quoth RecoveringKinkoid View Post
      I agree with this except the part where you say comply with all requests no matter how unreasonable. You should compy with all requests EXCEPT the ones that cause you to waive your rights under the constitution. Asking you to waive your rights is an unreasonable request.

      In other words, don't consent to a search, and don't volunteer information.

      If I were pulled and treated like this, and the cop asked me if I wanted him to arrest me for resisting, I would have to assume I was actually being arrested. You can't arrest someone for resisting arrest. That doesn't make any sense. How can you resist if you aren't being arrested? So I would say "Am I under arrest, officer?" And then react accordingly. If the answer is "yes", then you shut your mouth until you are in the presence of legal council. If the answer is "no", you then ask if you may leave.
      I stand corrected. You are quite right.

      Bear in mind, even if you are not under arrest, you may still be legally detained if the officer is conducting an investigation. That can include handcuffs. If you think you are being held too long, ask to speak to a supervisor.
      They say that God only gives us what we can handle. Apparently, God thinks I'm a bad ass.

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      • #18
        Quoth KMCA View Post
        An officer CANNOT search without your permission. If (s)he suspects his life is at risk then yes otherwise they cannot.
        They know this and use the same technique I do to conduct searches
        "I'm going to search you, ok?" It's asking permission albiet few will understand that you are asking their permission and just blindly submit or say 'ok'

        Making you lie on the ground is also a big no no, unless they think you'll run it's a real dick move when you can just be told to sit backs to the car, with or without cuffs on. Nice thing about my city is that the cops are only barely corrupt, combine that with extreme laziness and it works out fine.
        Actually, they can do a pat down search for weapons. They can't do a full search unless you are actually arrested.
        They say that God only gives us what we can handle. Apparently, God thinks I'm a bad ass.

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        • #19
          One thing of note...it is none of their fucking business where you are going.

          It took EVERYTHING, literally everything I had the last time I got pulled over (for a cracked windshield, this was last summer/fall when it was still light out at 6 and I was headed to Subway to get something to eat before an early shift at 7 pm), when that douchebag asked me where I was going, to NOT say "Well sir, a costume party. I'm a factory worker!"

          Let's see....hardly any makeup, hair blow dried straight, ugly blue lab coat, nametag....yup, party girl on the way to the bar! Right on my way to head to the burbs to sell drugs!
          You really need to see a neurologist. - Wagegoth

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          • #20
            Quoth protege View Post
            Sounds like a certain local police department... They had a well-deserved reputation for pulling people over, simply to harass them.
            Depends, are you from Ohio?

            Round here, there are technically 3 different colleges (even though two of them share the same campus). It does get pretty bad with DUI's and the such, but still. I know there are WAY more important things for the cops to worry about than 2 college kids heading home,like drugs and theft for instance.
            They did attempt to complain to the department, but without the guy's name and squad car number, they really couldn't do anything.
            It's mostly just the local cops who are a little mean. State Highway and Sheriff are far nicer and more understanding, by what I've experienced. For certain situations, they will listen and most of the time, will let people go. Local cops never want to hear it. EVER!
            Just because they serve you, doesn't mean they like you. And just because they smile and act polite doesn't mean they aren't planning to destroy you.

            "I put the laughter in slaughter."

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            • #21
              A friend got pulled late at night off a back road in a weird part of town and normally I would not condone volunteering info like this, because Blas is right in saying it is NOT anyones business where you are going...but my friend was dressed up in SCA garb and I have to concede that the cop was probably genuinely curious.

              She said later he gestured to her clothing and said "I'm just curious...why are you dressed like this?"

              I mean, it was, like I said, a strange place and a strange hour to be dressed....strangely. So I'll cut the cop a break on this one.

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              • #22
                I told my coworker this story and he told me the following:

                His son has several degrees and runs a martial arts school. He is well-off and proud of his success, so he has a VERY nice car and trades-in for the next-year's model every year. He can afford nice clothes and nice jewlery. He lives in NY, but regularly visits our small area. He is also an individual of mixed-ethnicity (which is important)

                EVERY TIME he comes to this area, he is pulled-over for no reason. He has actually been told by the police that the only reason he would be in this area, driving this car, wearing those gold chains and being a 'black man' from NY would be because he's a drug dealer! They've never had a reason to ticket or cite him. I'd say by this point he probably has a good dozen incidents he could sue over!
                "If anyone wants this old box containing the broken bits of my former faith in humanity, I'll take your best offer now. You may be able to salvage a few of em' for parts..... " - Quote by Argabarga

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                • #23
                  happened to mom once

                  she went through a yellow light and got stopped by the cop.

                  she wasn't rude to him, just asked what happened.

                  supposedly he was stopping her for running a red light but... he never saw her run it. another driver pointed at her. when he realized what he had actually said as much, he got mad cos... well he realized he was in the wrong. so... he started getting belligerent and threatened her, stating that he could arrest her if she continued to 'argue' with him and it would be her word against his.

                  but her record was clean so she got a warning i think.
                  plus dad's brother was on the force, so i'm thinking it would have backfired if the guy had tried it.

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                  • #24
                    My SIL got pulled over for DWA regularly by the same cop when they were stationed at Maxwell AFB (Alabama). Yes she's Chinese. Fourth generation US citizen.

                    And this ratneck couldn't remember that he'd pulled the same woman over in the same car last week... and the week before... and...
                    I am not an a**hole. I am a hemorrhoid. I irritate a**holes!
                    Procrastination: Forward planning to insure there is something to do tomorrow.
                    Derails threads faster than a pocket nuke.

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                    • #25
                      Quoth dalesys View Post
                      And this ratneck couldn't remember that he'd pulled the same woman over in the same car last week... and the week before... and...
                      Well if the fact that she is Chinese is why she was getting pulled over, he probably thought it was different women all the time, because they all look alike, right?

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                      • #26
                        Quoth blas View Post
                        One thing of note...it is none of their fucking business where you are going.

                        <snip>

                        Let's see....hardly any makeup, hair blow dried straight, ugly blue lab coat, nametag....yup, party girl on the way to the bar! Right on my way to head to the burbs to sell drugs!
                        I know it should be obvious sometimes, but they still have to ask the question. It's their job.

                        I got pulled over at a DUI checkpoint once. In spite of the fact I was still wearing my uniform, the cop asked me if I'd been drinking that day.

                        I responded, "I hope not, I'm on my way home from work!"

                        Cop: Where you do you work?

                        Me: Delaware Correctional Center, Medical Unit.

                        Cop: Have a nice day. *waves me through*

                        In spite of the fact I'm wearing my nursing uniform, with a DCC logo and my DCC name tag, I knew he had to ask the questions and I didn't mind. I just laughed after I drove away.
                        They say that God only gives us what we can handle. Apparently, God thinks I'm a bad ass.

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                        • #27
                          Quoth Tithera View Post
                          Depends, are you from Ohio?

                          Nope, PA
                          Seriously though, I had a rail cop ask me what I was doing the other night. I was somewhere along the line (those of you who on my Facebook friends list know where ) and a dark gray SUV pulled up next to me. Turns out it was a railroad cop, wondering what I was doing down there

                          But, his mood changed as soon as I said I was a railfan. All he said was "you're fine. We've had some work equipment down here vandalized, so I had to check you out. Oh, and stay away from the remains of the tower--it's pretty muddy over there." Of course I showed him the photos
                          Aerodynamics are for people who can't build engines. --Enzo Ferrari

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                          • #28
                            When I lived in Iowa City, I use to work until 1am at our contact center and I happened to live off of a road that the cops liked to patrol. The same cop would pull me over every other week and would always ask, "Heading home from the bars?"

                            I would always feel like saying, "Umm no, I am driving home from work, yes its 130am but does it look like I'm heading home from the bars? Actually, if you would look at the direction I am driving, I'm heading towards the bars, but its already last call so its not like I would get a drink."

                            So I would tell him I was just trying to go home after work, he would follow me until I would turn down my street and off he would go to get his drunk college kids.

                            After awhile, he would just wave at me when I would drive by. I didn't mind it too much, he was pretty cute

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                            • #29
                              Quoth RecoveringKinkoid View Post
                              What do the acronyms mean?
                              The three that I noticed in this thread (Well there's a 4th but not sure what it means):

                              DUI: Driving Under Influence.
                              IANAL/YANAL: I Am (You Are) Not A Lawyer. Standard tag on message boards to indicate the advice being given is from your general pool of knowledge and experience and is NOT to be taken as actual legal advice, and if you want to follow through on that advice in a legal sense, you should double check it with an actual lawyer.

                              DWA: Not familiar with that one, but a quick Wiki shows it is: "DWA - Slang for Driving While Asian" Not an actual valid reason to pull over clearly. (And obviously racist)

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                              • #30
                                I was with some friends after camping and rock repelling in Joshua Tree and the driver happened to be African-American, and we did get pulled over, but eventually they realized that we hadn't done anything illegal, so they let us go. We switched drivers and someone who is white ended up driving us the rest of the way home to avoid another case of racial profiling.

                                Despite that incident, I still have a lot of respect for law enforcement officers.

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