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    I'm also a gun dealer and in the last 7 years I thankfully don't have much suckage, Most of my customers are word of mouth and they know they are working with a gun dealer that's more like the guy in John Wick 2 than at a large chain store. However, I am listed on several online shops that I will receive your gun and do the paperwork and background check as required by state and federal laws.

    So I get an email that Tommy Suck has ordered 3 guns, ammo and other stuff and that they need my license to ship. OK nothing odd yet but normally only the guns go to me, the other stuff should go to your address but whatever. I look at Mr. Sucks name email and # and I don't remember him. ok I call him and let him know I'm also working full time at a range so he needs to call and make an appointment to pick up and my fee. No call back...so I email a few days later. No reply. 3 guns arrive 2 pistols and a shotgun. I get a new notice he now bought a cheap ass AR-15 rifle. The other guns are kind of cheap. If you think I'm judging you by what you buy...Yes very much so. My spidy sense is yammering.

    A few days later when my wife just got home from shopping he just shows up. She's like WTF?! She again explains why I called and emailed so we can prep the forms and be ready, he needs to come back. So she works out with him to come the next day after I get home from the range....till we lost power..welp I call talked to home how about that Tuesday when Im off? ok. Call me Tuesday I have a couple of errands so I know when to be home.

    Tues he calls as I'm running around..ok I'll call when I get home.

    So he come over a few hours later. ok I need your driver lic from this state..check. He looks a little off from the pic but its a couple years old. ok, here's the req state and fed forms.
    He fumbles through them. He's jittery...I ask what he does..bridge painter...ohhhh...Ok can see why he has the $ for all these even though cheap they add up. Also that I've seen these jitters before from someone who takes "things" to work long hard hours. Can't say for sure maybe he's just "off".

    So after he signs them saying he's allowed to own them and has not been convicted or charged with real crimes or a drug user. (BTW the devils lettuce is still illegal by the feds so having a med card will prohibit you regardless what the states say) I say to him, are your sure? Once I call the police for the background check there no backing out. He says no prob, I call and soon as I give his info I get put on hold for an operator. SHIT this is not good.
    ...hour later....I'm told they are not sure and they need to research him, call back in 12 days, o Fuck..not good.

    OK dude WTF? Oh your JR and Sr did a bunch of stuff and died a year ago and he waited cause now it should be clear it's not him. oh ok? Sure....should of told me but ok...had a guy his brother got caught doing bad things and used his name. His BGC was denied but he appealed and later was given the ok cause of that. So ok lets see what they say.
    MAY the Suck Be with you !
    So he tells me his life story and how he needs the shotgun at least cause he's going to FL to teach his daughter to shoot. I'm like that's nice but till I get a OK the guns stay here. He starts to argue and say he's done it before and that's not how it works. He just needs to how me an ID and he can take the shotgun so I have to give it to him.


    According to my magic BATF 8 ball all signs point to no. He can pick up the ammo and other stuff as it gets here and BTW I'm not the UPS store in the future don't send it here. He needs to go and I'll call him.
    Then he - I can't make this shit up asked if I can loan him a shotgun so he can take it to FL for his vacation. to (see above). AHHH N! I've known you for 2 hours and the state said not to give you a gun. This broke my brain.
    So 2 days later he came to pick up the ammo he ordered. He tries to again he can take the shotgun w/o a BGC by showing some laws on his phone that do not apply. I point to the part that does on the screen that yes my dear..ALL guns require a BCG when from a dealer. Also he will just buy what he wants in FL. ok bold move let's see how that works out for you.

    So skip to 14 days later, I call the state police for the results.. Sh.ker he's denied. So he's not allowed to buy the guns. I call him ahh yea I got the BCG back and you NEED to call me ASAP!
    That was 2 weeks ago, no calls. ok email time.
    I let him know his options.
    1- call and come by and pick up the appeal form and send it in..I'll hold the guns till it's done or 6mo whatever is sooner.
    2- Do not appeal, but know the police investigation unit was informed automatically due to the denial so you might get charged with several felonies for attempting to buy. In that case he need to make arrangements to return them to the online place with any expenses to ship them back are on him....oh my transfer fees are pass or fail the BCG so you owe me and I'm not sending shit till I'm paid. Also, don't bother sending anyone else to "buy these instead of you" That's known as a straw purchase and is in violation of Fed Laws. Also, I don't want your guns so don't ask me to pay you for them. I'd only give 50% if they were something I would sell.
    3- do nothing. Same applies to the law as #2 and after 6 months they will be considered as abandoned and sold to pay my fees. IF the police do not take them.

    That was 4 days ago I haven't heard anything.


    I think he thought he came up with a loophole to get guns and avoid the law by going though me.
    AkaiKitsune
    Sarcasm dear, sarcasm. I’m well aware that dealing with civilians in any capacity will skin your faith in humanity alive, then pickle anything that remains so as to watch it shrivel up into an immortal husk thus reminding you of how dead inside you now are.

  • #2
    Update- he's still on vacation and won't be back for 2 weeks yet. I'm just like .
    AkaiKitsune
    Sarcasm dear, sarcasm. I’m well aware that dealing with civilians in any capacity will skin your faith in humanity alive, then pickle anything that remains so as to watch it shrivel up into an immortal husk thus reminding you of how dead inside you now are.

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    • #3
      Quoth Rosco the Iroc View Post
      Update- he's still on vacation and won't be back for 2 weeks yet. I'm just like .
      Have you checked the greybar motels?
      I am not an a**hole. I am a hemorrhoid. I irritate a**holes!
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      • #4
        So he got back. Made a date for him to pick up the paperwork to challenge being denied. He was a no-show. Texted him WTF? All I got back was he had a baby shower the day before and forgot. No attempt to make a new date. Well, he had 30 days that passed 4/14 now they will be looking to press charges. (I hope- don't make new laws if you don't enforce the current ones) That last text was about 2 weeks ago. I emailed him I was sending back all but one gun, and I would be selling that to recoup my costs. Unless he pays my fees by Monday. If he does I'll send it all back and take a loss. If not I'll sell it for what I can and get my $100 back, plus my min markup of $50 to sell it, and shipping costs for the other stuff. IF there's any leftover I'll call. him, if I don't hear back at 6 months it's abandoned prop. Either way even if the police called me and changed their mind, I don;t want to deal with this guy anymore.
        AkaiKitsune
        Sarcasm dear, sarcasm. I’m well aware that dealing with civilians in any capacity will skin your faith in humanity alive, then pickle anything that remains so as to watch it shrivel up into an immortal husk thus reminding you of how dead inside you now are.

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        • #5
          Is he possibly trying to get similar weaponry through ... er ... less regulated methods?
          Because for somebody who seemed to want those weapons that badly, he sure seems to be dragging his feet over the whole process.

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          • #6
            Quoth Pixilated View Post
            Is he possibly trying to get similar weaponry through ... er ... less regulated methods?
            Because for somebody who seemed to want those weapons that badly, he sure seems to be dragging his feet over the whole process.
            OH 100% yes. I think he thought he found some sort of loophole to get past firearms rules.
            UPDATE:
            So in May I decided to cut my losses and just sent everything back to the place he ordered it from. Inc the bullet-resistant vest that also cannot be sold to anyone with a record in this state. The company was very nice about taking the returns. I didn't want to deal with anyone shadier than the eclipse we just had.
            Took him 3 weeks to answer the email I sent telling him what I did. He couldn't understand why I sent everything back.
            I also go and a dealer-only forum where we list our problem people, and blacklisted him.

            So far I haven't heard anything from the police. Not to frack but this is a clear case of why add more laws when you don't enforce the correct ones.

            Back to my 2 very special customers that bug me almost daily but they can pass the BGC and buy the min amount of stuff to make me keep answering the texts and calls.
            AkaiKitsune
            Sarcasm dear, sarcasm. I’m well aware that dealing with civilians in any capacity will skin your faith in humanity alive, then pickle anything that remains so as to watch it shrivel up into an immortal husk thus reminding you of how dead inside you now are.

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            • #7
              UPDATE

              Got called by the state police, yep he's a baddie. Felon several times over. Soon to be more so. They asked for copies of all the paperwork I'm required to do and of course, provided it.
              Turns out he was arrested in FLA by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms so he's now in


              Guess it will be a few months if I find out if I need to apper in court.

              I also had to call the police on someone else I think is trying to buy threw a "straw purchase"
              AkaiKitsune
              Sarcasm dear, sarcasm. I’m well aware that dealing with civilians in any capacity will skin your faith in humanity alive, then pickle anything that remains so as to watch it shrivel up into an immortal husk thus reminding you of how dead inside you now are.

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              • #8
                Oh what silly boys.
                This was one of those times where my mouth says "have a nice day" but my brain says "go step on a Lego". - RegisterAce
                I can't make something magically appear to fulfill all your hopes and dreams. Believe me, if I could I'd be the first person I'd help. - Trixie

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                • #9
                  I had a who new case of is suckage come up this week that I had to report to the proper people...more to come in a few weeks if I can.
                  AkaiKitsune
                  Sarcasm dear, sarcasm. I’m well aware that dealing with civilians in any capacity will skin your faith in humanity alive, then pickle anything that remains so as to watch it shrivel up into an immortal husk thus reminding you of how dead inside you now are.

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                  • #10
                    Could you get copies of their booking pictures? My daughter has custom calendars made with pictures of her corgi...
                    I am not an a**hole. I am a hemorrhoid. I irritate a**holes!
                    Procrastination: Forward planning to insure there is something to do tomorrow.
                    Derails threads faster than a pocket nuke.

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                    • #11
                      It's now officially a Federal case. The funny thing is, I warned them and the wife went full Karin on me to get her way and had the typical smug reaction when I gave it to her- by direction of law enforcement so she's on the hook more than him. If there is later news coverage I will post it,

                      Section 6111—The Sale or Transfer of Firearms—Felony and Misdemeanor Crimes



                      Under Section 6111 (g) a person commits a crime, graded as a felony of the 3rd degree when he or she, in the connection of the purchase, delivery, or transfer of a firearm knowingly or intentionally makes any materially false oral, written, or furnishes or shows false identification which is likely to deceive the seller or dealer. Section 6111(h) covers subsequent offenses and upgrades the criminal charge to a felony of the second degree



                      Remember that in Pennsylvania, much like in New Jersey, there is a huge difference to a felony offense and a misdemeanor. A felony, even of a 3rd degree, subjects a person to a potential 7 year state prison sentence. It’s important to keep in mind that not only is the purchaser criminally liable for making a false statement but any person, including the licensed dealer who sells or transfers a firearm to any unqualified of ineligible person (prohibited person), knowingly or intentionally, commits a felony of the 3rd degree. In addition to the crime the licensed dealer will lose his or her ability to sell firearms within the Commonwealth for 3 years under Section 6111 (g).
                      Then the feds add on.
                      AkaiKitsune
                      Sarcasm dear, sarcasm. I’m well aware that dealing with civilians in any capacity will skin your faith in humanity alive, then pickle anything that remains so as to watch it shrivel up into an immortal husk thus reminding you of how dead inside you now are.

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                      • #12
                        Whoopsie-doodle. As the saying goes, be careful what you ask for - you may get it.
                        This was one of those times where my mouth says "have a nice day" but my brain says "go step on a Lego". - RegisterAce
                        I can't make something magically appear to fulfill all your hopes and dreams. Believe me, if I could I'd be the first person I'd help. - Trixie

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                        • #13
                          So yeaaaa. I have a couple trying to do a straw purchase, Husband calls about a gun and calls me almost every day for a week and the MFR looking for an exact gun, then orders to online. I tell him he's got to pick it up, he says his wife picks up ALL HIS guns. I say no he's got to do it, he goes Ken on me and says big local outdoor place does it for him all the time, humm I soo them, yea he admitted he's prohibited thus the wife who is not gets them. Wow really, well after that they tell him to FO and never come back. So with this info I call the State police and they are VERY interested and get the ATF involved. The Cops had me bring her in and see if she would complete the 4473 doing so completes the crime. Now they put a hold on the background check so it would not go through and they would have 14 days to complete the case. She did, got put on hold and told to come back. There is ALOT more to this but I can't say right now as you will find out.

                          Day12 the cops say to call her and say she can pick it up-and the 2 ATF and state cop met her when she got here. Tried to get her to go with them and well by now she was coached and stone walled the cops and they gave up and left- they didn't say shit to me just left me hanging telling her they were not going to hold it up anymore. So she was waning to get it. Well it was not quite approved so she would have to come back, but most of all as per state and fed law I think something is not right I don't need to do it. So I told her that was WAY too many feds for my liking and I don't trust them and I don't know what you told them but I'm not convinced. So she need to find a FFL that will and does accept her story and is filling to risk their lic and jail time to complete the transfer. So if she found a local FFL, have them call me and I'll drop it off there cause I want them and their gun to GTFO. Any FFL would ask why and I would tell them and they would back them off.

                          So you've tried to commit a federal felony and somehow barely talked your way past it. So what does the smart criminal do?
                          SUE ME! for the cost of the gun, saying I'm holding it and won't let them have it. Okay, that's sort of true, but they, her need to do above, find someone else to do it. Or send it back, but the seller doesn't want it.

                          They done fucked up, hell the constable that served me is a friend, and was cracking up just reading her "claim". I was going to call her the next day to ask if they found anyone cause I didn't get any calls from a dealer, but fuck that I'm sitting on it till court the end of Nov.

                          OH they cops that questioned you..they had to follow guidelines when you were in my driveway- I don't and the judge who I know ..well she likes to ask really good questions and does not play if you try to BS her. oh also-civil burden of proof is much lower, OH the husband who STFU after getting outed- yea I'm going to subpoena his ass.
                          Also the firearms inv from the state so she can her what's said and back up I don't need to give anything. The state police cannot understand and never heard of this happening.

                          TLDR-
                          Couple hits every single flag in the ATF straw purchase book
                          Cops has me set up sting, question the wife who is picking up for felon husband
                          She talks her way out of jail (for now)
                          I tell her to find a FFL that will listen to the BS to do the transfer even though the state said ok as per fed law
                          She sues me for the cost of the gun and who knows what else.
                          AkaiKitsune
                          Sarcasm dear, sarcasm. I’m well aware that dealing with civilians in any capacity will skin your faith in humanity alive, then pickle anything that remains so as to watch it shrivel up into an immortal husk thus reminding you of how dead inside you now are.

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                          • #14
                            It sounds like she's going to for sure lose, but I hope it's a sure thing!

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