I am not wearring shoes!!!!!!!

[skeptic53]

As a psych major in school, I just don't see a personality disorder or anything. Just my 2 cents!


I do agree, however, that this woman is loco.

From the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 4th ed, text revision (my emphasis in red):

Diagnostic criteria for 301.7 Antisocial Personality Disorder

A. There is a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others occurring since age 15 years, as indicated by three (or more) of the following:

(1) failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest
(2) deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure
(3) impulsivity or failure to plan ahead
(4) irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults
(5) reckless disregard for safety of self or others
(6) consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations
(7) lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another

B. The individual is at least age 18 years.

C. There is evidence of Conduct Disorder with onset before age 15 years.

D. The occurrence of antisocial behavior is not exclusively during the course of Schizophrenia or a Manic Episode.

Can't say one way or the other about (C), and don't know about "repeatedly" but I suspect she qualifies in spades!

[HYHYBT]

This is one thing I've never understood:

Hokay, I work at a Wal-Mart where we, like almost every other store have a shoes and shirt required rule for safety and hygenic reasons.

In what way is not wearing a shirt in a Wal-Mart a safety or hygenic issue? I don't object to stores requiring that their patrons be dressed, but it seems more like an excuse to hit those who complain about the policy than a real reason.

[LostMyMind]

I don't object to stores requiring that their patrons be dressed, but it seems more like an excuse to hit those who complain about the policy than a real reason.

The real reason is simple, they don't want customers to be "disgusted" by shirtless folks in the store and not come back. The shoe thing is a hygienic thing as well as safety.

Living in Florida (near beaches) for a very long time, the shirt thing is not really "enforced" here

[LostMyMind]

From the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 4th ed, text revision (my emphasis in red):
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Can't say one way or the other about (C), and don't know about "repeatedly" but I suspect she qualifies in spades!

Text book diagnosis is not a good thing to attempt. The lady wasn't an antisocial, she was simply a complete idiotic jack*ss. By your attempt at diagnosis, I could say most drivers where I live suffer from antisocial disorder.

Majority of CS are not suffering from an mental disorder, they're suffering from a inflated ego and snobbish attitude. To call it anything else would only excuse the behavior. I don't know about y'all, but I don't think CS should have an excuse to behave the way they do.

[Barefootgirl]

On behalf of all barefooted people, I'd reiterate that those people were just arrrogant morons, and most of us who reject shoes are much nicer than them.

Sometimes I wish I believed in the "traditional" form of heaven, with Pearly Gates and St Peter as doorman, just for the satisfaction of knowing that when these types get to the Gates, he's going to look them up in the Big Book of Earthly Deeds, and do the heavenly equivalent of spitting coffee all over his monitor, shortly before directing them sharply to the Down Elevator....

[csdrone]

The bare feet is probably both a health dept requirement (sanitary reasons) or a way to keep SC's from suing for foot burns on hot tar (um it is over 90 and you are barefoot? ), stubbing toes on pallets or equipment in the store, cuts thanks to broken bottles (happens inside and outside the store) and of course stepping in gum. I wonder if no shirts is a hygenic thing (a barrier for lots of sweat?) too (the gym I used to work out in had a T-shirt requirement for women).

[chainedbarista]

here's to her catching a nice case of lockjaw (hope that tetanus shot's expired).

christian my backside; she's a stereotype of what i see passing themselves off as one thing, but are really another. what that is, i won't say; it's not proper to use that kind of language here.

on top of it, she's setting a wonderful example for her child; i really wish people like that were born sterile.

[Lace Neil Singer]

The place where I work states wearing shoes cuz of floor debris ie pallets as well as sanitary reasons, ie customers tracking dirt into a store that sells food. I always assumed the shirtless ban was to save the cashiers eyes from fat men coming in shirtless...

[csdrone]

The place where I work states wearing shoes cuz of floor debris ie pallets as well as sanitary reasons, ie customers tracking dirt into a store that sells food. I always assumed the shirtless ban was to save the cashiers eyes from fat men coming in shirtless...

That is a sight NOBODY needs to see! And since these will be SC's or accompanying SC's, a good ban indeed!

[skeptic53]

Text book diagnosis is not a good thing to attempt.

That is an excellent point, I agree for the most part. I was mainly being hyperbolic in my initial post (very doubtful she is psychotic). However, I think her behavior was so over-the-top that she goes beyond just being a jerk. Most jerks would stop at mouthing off, or at least they wouldn't get all the way to throwing things that hit cops.

And, by the way, I don't think a personality disorder diagnosis excuses ANYTHING. Alcoholics still have legal trouble if they are caught driving drunk, and deservedly so. Anti-social, borderline, conduct disorder, explosive disorder, whatever, a person is still responsible for their actions.

[Lace Neil Singer]

That is a sight NOBODY needs to see! And since these will be SC's or accompanying SC's, a good ban indeed!

Definitely. XD Altho, fat men in wife beaters is almost as distressing a sight...

[LostMyMind]

a way to keep SC's from suing for foot burns on hot tar (um it is over 90 and you are barefoot? )

90 degrees tar is not that hot I walk barefoot all the time, it got to get much hotter. Those who walk barefoot alot have a very tough feets. I still put on shoes for stores because of the "shoe" rule

[XCashier]

Definitely. XD Altho, fat men in wife beaters is almost as distressing a sight...

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/fun/re...?date=20060709

[thegiraffe]

From the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 4th ed, text revision (my emphasis in red):

Diagnostic criteria for 301.7 Antisocial Personality Disorder

A. There is a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others occurring since age 15 years, as indicated by three (or more) of the following:

(1) failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest
(2) deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure
(3) impulsivity or failure to plan ahead
(4) irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults
(5) reckless disregard for safety of self or others
(6) consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations
(7) lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another

B. The individual is at least age 18 years.

C. There is evidence of Conduct Disorder with onset before age 15 years.

D. The occurrence of antisocial behavior is not exclusively during the course of Schizophrenia or a Manic Episode.

Can't say one way or the other about (C), and don't know about "repeatedly" but I suspect she qualifies in spades!

One thing it doesn't mention, however (because it has to be objective) is that antisocial P.D. is almost ALWAYS attributed to males. Look up Histrionic personality disorder. There's research being done seeing if Histrionic P.D. (almost ALWAYS in females) is the female version of APD. Conduct disorder is generally in childhood/adolescence. APD is also generally very violent (killing/torturing pets, small animals, children, severely beating up on people for no reason - not just throwing a shoe- generally showing no remorse). They also tend to be pathalogical liars. Histrionic PD generally isn't violent as much as it's extravagent with grandiose tendencies. Histrionic is generally characterized by dramatic, sensational, and sexually provocative behavior, they need to be the center of attention, they're often impulsive, and have shallow thoughts and emotions. That being said, histrionic PD may be a possibility, but...who knows?
It's incredibly difficult to diagnose particular PD's because they're generally comorbid (if you have one cluster A PD, you likely have another cluster A PD). I'm not going to argue this because I'm simply an undergrad psych student, but I think there's a lot of sensationalization that goes along with psychopathology because it's interesting and intriguing. I just want to insure that people aren't getting stereotyped or called "psychopaths" just because they're odd in some way, shape or form.

I got an A in Abnormal Psych by the way... lol

[Crazyredhead]

I am speechless. I didn't even know that there were people like her left in the world. I don't know how you did it. I am so sorry that I wasn't there. I would have personally escorted her out on her ass. I may not be an employee and would have probably ended up with assault charges but I would have been happy that I did it. I cannot stand racism. I am married to a black man and have never said anything even remotely close to him in anger, and I was raised to think like that worman.. I would have called the cops on her at the first nasty word.