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  • This sale is unsalvageable...thank God

    So I just got a call at home from a sales supervisor at my store.

    Here's the back story, and it's a long one...

    We had an old model Pioneer in-dash car DVD player that was missing some parts. We finally ordered enough replacement parts in that we could make it work, and a couple days ago I installed it into a floor display so we could try to sell it. A little later I noticed that the unit had a problem; the volume control would not go up. I let the sales person in the department know that the unit would have to be sent in for repair. An hour or two later I found out that the sales person had sold the unit anyway. Apparently the customer was told that the volume control didn't work, but the sales person managed to find a wireless remote control that worked with it, so the customer planned to adjust the volume that way.

    Later the customer realized that one of the missing parts was what he needed to add an amplifier and subwoofer. So he brought the unit back to return it. The supervisor offered to order the part for him at store expense, but the customer wasn't willing to wait, so he ended up exchanging it for a another out-of-box demo unit of a different brand.

    Today he brought back the second unit. Why? He can't figure out how to bypass the parking brake safety interlock so that he can watch movies while he's driving. It can be done, but no one at my store will tell him how to do it. He decided it would be easier to use the Pioneer unit illegally, so he wants to return the second player and buy the original Pioneer again, and have us order the missing part.

    Problem: the Pioneer unit is now missing the remote that the original salesperson dug up. It's also missing some mounting screws.

    So the sales supervisor is doing an elaborate dance to try to "save" the sale. He's trying to convince the customer that it IS possible to bypass the parking brake interlock so that he can use the second unit illegally, WITHOUT actually telling him how to do so. A complication is that the sales supervisor doesn't know how to do it either. He called me up, not to find out how to do it, but just to verify that it can be done, so he could pass that information on to the customer, in an attempt to convince him to keep the second unit.

    My position, as I expressed it to the sales supervisor over the phone: "Screw this idiot". Let him return it, and go buy one somewhere else.
    Lack of freedom can be measured directly by lack of stupid. --Penn Jillette

  • #2
    Your manager SO does not want to touch this guy with a 10-foot pole. Even mentioning the fact that you can do something stupid, illegal, and unsafe could open up the store to a liability nightmare. His $50 commission check from making the sale would just about cover the lawyer getting the word "hello" out when you call him letting him know the store is being sued.

    It doesn't matter that SC wasn't told how to do it... Get that SC out of your store, and mention to this sales supervisor that the only words that should come out of his mouth when a customer asks about this sort of thing, whether or not the unit is capable of it, are: "I cannot comment on the ability of this unit to be installed in that way, which is both unsafe and illegal." It doesn't matter if the unit can be installed that way or not...

    Your sales manager better hope that the SC doesn't find the same model somewhere else, install it, injure himself, and then sue your store for saying it could be done.

    If the SC really wants to do this, let him figure out how to do so somewhere else.

    SirWired
    Last edited by sirwired; 04-25-2008, 12:13 AM.

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    • #3
      I'll bet you a dollar the guy will look it up on something like WikiHow and find out.
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      • #4
        This sale is not salvageable indeed, and no effort should be made to salvage it.

        Just by telling the customer it's possible to modify the unit so he can watch movies while driving, the sales supervisor is now opened up to liability if the customer does figure out how to modify it and then causes an injury or fatal accident due to his inattention.

        And so is your store. Deep pockets and all that.

        If he's that hell bent on a darwin award, let him figure out how to achieve it on his own.
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        • #5
          Honestly, I'm sure that the answer is on the internet somewhere. The in-dash receiver probably has instructions on how to install it, that has you connect some connector or wire somewhere to cause the interlock to work (likely it's to the wire for the brake indicator light). Honestly, if they are intent on doing it, it's always possible (even if it isn't legal).

          Of course it should be explained to the customer that "....even if it's possible to bypass the interlock....we can't bypass it for you, or help you bypass it by telling you how to, due to liability issues." and of course, the simple fact you might KILL OR INJURE YOURSELF AND/OR OTHERS!!

          (And I agree....trying to drive while watching a movie on your dash is stupid and dangerous and will get someone hurt. sheesh!!! That is one STOOOOOOOPID customer.) Maybe this should be "The sale that got away".


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          • #6
            Why? He can't figure out how to bypass the parking brake safety interlock so that he can watch movies while he's driving.
            Unless he means "someone in the car can watch movies while I'm driving." To me it's like a someone asking "how can I iron my shorts while I'm still wearing them?"
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            • #7
              WHY do you want to watch a movie while you're driving? I'd rather watch a movie sitting in the lazy-boy with a big bowl of popcorn, personally.
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              • #8
                Quoth depechemodefan View Post
                To me it's like a someone asking "how can I iron my shorts while I'm still wearing them?"
                Very carefully. Have lots of aloe vera on hand. Also the number for the local burn center.
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                • #9
                  Wouldn't a demo unit like that count as an "as is" sale? So if the customer bought it and screwed it up more than it already was he was on his own?
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                  • #10
                    WAAAAY too much blame going around here. Walk away, document everything, and send the guy a registered letter TELLING him it's not legal OR safe to do that.

                    HE
                    COULD
                    KILL
                    SOMEONE....

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                    • #11
                      Quoth RetailWorkhorse View Post
                      WHY do you want to watch a movie while you're driving? I'd rather watch a movie sitting in the lazy-boy with a big bowl of popcorn, personally.
                      in his defense (and i really doubt this is the case, i'm just playing devils advocate) he could be like me... he doesn't want to "watch" the movies while he's driving, he enjoys listening to the dialog of the movie... when I'm on long trips I'll hook up my laptop to the car sound system, plug the laptop into the 12v outlet, and pop in a dialog heavy movie... why, because it's less monotonous over a long period of time than music... it's something you can actually follow...
                      once again, that is probably not why the SC wanted that to be set up that way.
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                      • #12
                        Quoth smileyeagle1021 View Post
                        in his defense (and i really doubt this is the case, i'm just playing devils advocate) he could be like me... he doesn't want to "watch" the movies while he's driving, he enjoys listening to the dialog of the movie... when I'm on long trips I'll hook up my laptop to the car sound system, plug the laptop into the 12v outlet, and pop in a dialog heavy movie... why, because it's less monotonous over a long period of time than music... it's something you can actually follow...
                        once again, that is probably not why the SC wanted that to be set up that way.
                        The way they work: if you put in a DVD, and the parking brake isn't set, then you'll get sound but no picture.

                        To put it all in context, probably 80-90% of the people who buy this type of device are planning to bypass the safety interlock. They're planning to show it off to their friends, and it wouldn't be cool if they had to stop the car to watch a movie. Corporate policy matches my own, in this case; if we do the installation, we are not allowed to bypass the safety feature, or tell the customer how to do so. If a customer alters our wiring, their installation warranty is void.

                        I've had customers who've re-wired their system right in my parking lot after I pull the car out of the bay for them. I've had others who've brought back their vehicles and expect me to make their system work again (free) after their friend messed up my wiring trying to get around the parking brake lock-out. Customers have offered me money on the side to do it, returned the purchase when I've refused, and then called to taunt me when the little car audio shop down the road "hooked them up".
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                        • #13
                          Quoth KaeZoo View Post
                          Customers have offered me money on the side to do it, returned the purchase when I've refused, and then called to taunt me when the little car audio shop down the road "hooked them up".
                          That's when you phone someone (either police or government insurance) and tell them that "The little audio shop down the road" is illegally hooking up dvd players.

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                          • #14
                            Quoth KaeZoo View Post
                            The way they work: if you put in a DVD, and the parking brake isn't set, then you'll get sound but no picture.
                            So in other words, no modification is necessary if you just want to listen to the sound.

                            I suspected all along this MENSA member wanted to watch the movies in addition to the sound. This only confirms it.
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                            • #15
                              when I'm on long trips I'll hook up my laptop to the car sound system, plug the laptop into the 12v outlet, and pop in a dialog heavy movie... why, because it's less monotonous over a long period of time than music... it's something you can actually follow...
                              I would suggest books on tape, except it's usually just one person doing all the voices.
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