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    I think I talked to a Planet Feedback letter writer last night. This guy reeked of the guy trying to use the expired California Pizza Kitchen coupon who moved on to telling senior management that he knows more to running a business than they do (with a focus on delight the customer at all costs).

    This guy calls in and lets me know that he made a reservation for himself coming in in October (free due to his play in the past) and he'd like to book 2 additional rooms for some friends coming from a foreign country and he wanted a discount since they were traveling with him.

    PERFECT! We actually have a special discounted rate for just such a situation. As I'm starting to get the basic information he starts to get PUSHY! prattling on about how he is a VERY regular customer and that's why we give him free rooms (not really, it's cause he played a JUST ENOUGH in the past to barely qualify for free rooms sometimes). It's like pulling teeth to find out what he needs for his friends.

    It turns out he wants to REALLY wow them. He wanted me to quote the discounted rates for our "chic upgraded designer award winning rooms" (really are cute, and have ipod docks, and two flat-screen televisions were the first of a trend and featured in several magazines). He wanted two of these rooms (one king and one two queens) for his friends but as connecting rooms (cool idea it mimics one of my favorite suites at this property).

    I am getting ready to quote the rate and to discount it I've entered a "discount code" for this special "friends and family rate". As I'm doing this he is going on about how we should wow his friends and create loyal customers out of them too. He tells me he has a "discount code" he wants me to use (it's the exact one I already entered). I made the mistake in telling him that I already had entered that code because it is THE code to use in this situation (I haven't quoted the rates yet). I quote the rates for the first room and they are $2xx, $2xx, $1xx. He flips his shit one me. He tells me that the promotional material he received said the discount code provided him with additional rooms for $2x each.

    Oh yes, I am familiar with these promotional materials. They trumpet "discount code" "additional rooms discounted AS LOW AS $2x". I politely explain that the flyers says AS LOW AS versus AT and that these discounted room rates are based on occupancy and availability. FYI your more likely to see the $2x rate at our lowest end property, in a slow time of year, in the middle of the week (I didn't tell him this part).

    After I explain why the rates are $2xx (for the weekend nights, in an upgraded room, during a busy time, at one of our mid-level properties) he goes back to the wow the customer spiel. He starts getting HUFFY and PUSHY and telling me that I should lower the rates because he is coming in October and that must be the end of the season for us and this economy we must be super slow and hurting for guests.

    FAIL! As nicely as I can I tell him "actually October is the middle of convention season when rates are traditionally higher and also happens to be one of the busiest months for Las Vegas tourists because of having some of the most mild weather of the year and the rate I quoted was a discount of over $5x a night" (Vegas isn't really a summer tourism town due to the oppressive heat, some of the lowest rates are in August and the middle two weeks of December).

    He asks to speak to a manager and I'm more than happy to transfer him to a supervisor. She quotes him the exact same rates (we can't adjust rates for hagglers) and he doesn't book but says he might call back latter.

    Cheap bastard, wants to impress his friends with something far above average but wants to pay $2x for it.

    Being the bitch I am while he is talking to a supervisor. I take a look at his reservation history. He has only stayed with us three times in his life (good, but not the "I'm a super frequent customer that deserves special treatment" he was preaching). Each time he was here he complained about small things to the front desk in an attempt to get moved to an upgraded room (and each time, way to go front desk, they give him the choice of moving standard rooms for free, or upgrading at $2x per night vs $3x per night).

    If he was a bit nicer and would let me control the call I would have tried to work something out with the tools I have (possibly encouraging him to book his friends a standard room and upgrade at the front desk upon check in for the $3x fee versus the about $1xx a night premium to guarantee that room type over the phone). But Gord help us if the upgraded room type was sold out by the time he got to the front desk.

    I love when customers teach me (a degree in business, and working on a 2nd in hospitality, with ALL my job experience in hospitality and customer service) about how the hospitality business really works .

  • #2
    thanks

    Never heard of planet feedback before this... quick google search and a big thanks to you for someplace else to waste my workday away at!

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    • #3
      It's a shame we can't say or put up this kinda sign for the SC's that LOVE to claim how they're frequent customers that deserve special treatment, when in fact they barely do business with the company and are royal pains in the asses.

      I don't get paid enough to kiss your a**! -Groezig 5/31/08
      Another day...another million braincells lost...-Sarlon 6/16/08
      Chivalry is not dead. It's just direly underappreciated. -Samaliel 9/15/09

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      • #4
        Goddess, love the picture.

        Hippie...words fail me with this guy. I mean...REALLY?

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        • #5
          Quoth Angry_Hippie View Post

          I am getting ready to quote the rate and to discount it I've entered a "discount code" for this special "friends and family rate". As I'm doing this he is going on about how we should wow his friends and create loyal customers out of them too. He tells me he has a "discount code" he wants me to use (it's the exact one I already entered). I made the mistake in telling him that I already had entered that code because it is THE code to use in this situation (I haven't quoted the rates yet). I quote the rates for the first room and they are $2xx, $2xx, $1xx. He flips his shit one me. He tells me that the promotional material he received said the discount code provided him with additional rooms for $2x each.

          Oh yes, I am familiar with these promotional materials. They trumpet "discount code" "additional rooms discounted AS LOW AS $2x". I politely explain that the flyers says AS LOW AS versus AT and that these discounted room rates are based on occupancy and availability. FYI your more likely to see the $2x rate at our lowest end property, in a slow time of year, in the middle of the week (I didn't tell him this part).
          .
          "oh yes, our cheapskate rate! Especially for our low level players. Our high rollers find the non-discounted price to be on the low side for their spending bracket" (Don't you wish you could say something like that?)

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          • #6
            The funniest thing about this and all of the past posts like this is here in Vegas, we know who the high rollers are who they aren't. The customers don't have to tell us who they are or how much they play. Everything from the reservation systems, to the color of their player's club card, or to a Host following them around like a lost puppy. I knew as a bartender and I even knew as someone in I.T.

            It's the one thing that pisses me off about the marketing departments here. They inflate the egos some of the biggest EWs and the cheapest people on the planet.

            Like the old saying "If you have to ask how much, you can't afford it." if you have to tell us you're a VIP, you're not.

            CH
            Some People Are Alive Only Because It Is Illegal To Kill Them

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            • #7
              I agree Crash-helmet. The true HIGH rollers don't have to announce they are.

              It's the middle ground that is annoying. The worst by far are the 2nd tier of our players club program (and the people in the 1st tier that are just on the cusp of the 2nd). I'm sure it feels like they have spent a lot of money with us. But they forget that sometimes they have won off us and the things we give them really are of real value (yes, we could have sold that hotel room but we gave it to you instead). They are the ones that want a SUITE and not a standard room, demand a limo come pick them up at the airport free, bottles of wine left on the pillow before check in, ect (often none of these requests are honored or some middle ground is reached like we upgrade there standard room (free) to a $6xx a night suite for a $xx upgrade fee, but only if the suite would otherwise be empty, and only done at the last second .

              The REAL high rollers are super nice and they know the drill, they never ask for anything above a standard room they know that before they check in a host will make the front desk assign a suite. The understand when I have to setup a room charge for their limo, knowing that if they play like the typically do the host will comp off their room charges (including the limo). Sometimes they'll let me bumble, stutter, and make silly mistakes and still be sweet as pie to me. Sometimes I'll look at the detailed records of play after I've bumbled through a reservation of a high roller and I'll find that this dude didn't make a peep while I bumbled and he had dropped the value of a small car at the tables a couple days before. CLASS. Also I've noticed the we don't tend to win very much off the high rollers most of the time they play table games with low house edges and they know how to play. Yeah they will have gambled with a buy-in of $xx,xxx making $xxx average bets but more often than not they either win $xxx or lose xxx in the end. They are just here to play and relax.

              The middle tier people they will gamble $xxx to $x,xxx in a day and either win a little or lose ever penny they played with in general.

              It seems we give the most to the group that really has earned it by losing their ass. The upper middle class average Joe (and his wife) who will put $x,xxx through a freaking slot machine all day every day every trip (often penny slots shockingly enough).

              I play at DIVES (can you say $3 minimum Craps?) and I get treated like gold cause I tip the dealers. I play a low house edge game (Craps) as well as can be done I hardly ever lose (but when I do it sucks) but someone I always end up with more than I should comp dollar and point wise (I think the pit-bosses fudge the numbers as much as they can for me). They do bring my favored alcohol too fast and often, I'm trying to quite drinking so no more playing for me unless they can respect "bring me mountain dew please".

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              • #8
                Quoth Angry_Hippie View Post
                I play at DIVES (can you say $3 minimum Craps?) and I get treated like gold cause I tip the dealers.
                same here... I play at the Nugget in Wendover... I have made it a habit to tip dealers every time I win, tip servers every time they bring a drink, and leave large tips in the buffet... I think that they must have a note under my profile on my players card that I tip well because I always get really fast service and the dealers are always seem to be nice to be over other, not as generous, players (and karma gives me more winning hands/rolls )
                Last edited by protege; 09-09-2009, 06:13 PM. Reason: Fixed the quote tag :)
                If you wish to find meaning, listen to the music not the song

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                • #9
                  Quoth Angry_Hippie View Post

                  I play at DIVES (can you say $3 minimum Craps?) and I get treated like gold cause I tip the dealers.
                  The El Cortez has, or at least had, 25 cent craps. I don't get up there much, but that's where I used to take people to teach them how to play.

                  Quoth smileyeagle1021 View Post
                  same here... I play at the Nugget in Wendover...
                  My brother was offered the General Manager position for that place when Ensign bought it. He and his wife went up there a few times before he turned it down. I don't think Ensign owns it anymore (he sold some properties in southern NV), so he's glad he didn't take it.

                  CH
                  Last edited by crashhelmet; 09-06-2009, 01:03 AM. Reason: typoes
                  Some People Are Alive Only Because It Is Illegal To Kill Them

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                  • #10
                    I hate to name names. But I guess if I'm saying good things and it's a place that's already been mentioned that I DO NOT work for.

                    I <3 The El Cortez to pieces. No more quarter craps They are $3 with 10x odds offered. I love betting minimum pass with full odds there and playing (and often winning) for hours. while I watch the lowliest of gamblers (they have the cheapest craps downtown) make the not so great bets all day long

                    It's a casino that scares my parents (I should take them to The Western or Gold Spike to rethink things . But I guess that's why I love it. They give the little guy a really fair deal and ooze old school charm in the process.

                    The have some new boutique rooms that are GORGEOUS for under $50 a night, they out chic the "upgraded" rooms at one of the properties I work for.

                    Cheapest craps in town at this point in time is the $1 10x odds table at the Joker's Wild WAY out in Henderson. I feel too cheap to play lately so I'll just take $12 to any casino I run across place the 6 and 8 take them down after a win and repeat and see what happens.

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