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  • #91
    Quoth Jester View Post
    Steak cooked rare or so will not get you sick. You may not like it, but many people do, and as has been pointed out, it's ground meat that is more dangerous undercooked like this.
    AFAIK most bacteria in the meat will be killed when the temperature rises over 60° C. In that case both the rare beef and the burger will probably be safe.
    I'll admit the Tartare isn't completely safe, but if you get your beef freshly chopped and the butcher know what it's used for, the risk isn't that big. The raw egg on top is worse, but I never really liked raw eggs that much anyway.

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    • #92
      Quoth Jester View Post
      And just for the heck of it--and because it's just the kind of guy I am--when it was time for the check, I had the cook put THAT on the grill, get some nice grill marks on it--you know, the classic diamond pattern--and I brought them their check. Burnt.

      The died laughing. Because, you know, it was funny. And as I said, these are not unreasonable people.

      That's hilarious.

      ^-.-^
      Faith is about what you do. It's about aspiring to be better and nobler and kinder than you are. It's about making sacrifices for the good of others. - Dresden

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      • #93
        With all the cooking instructions being posted, I think in this thread CS has come to mean "Cooking Steak" or "Cooking Show."
        "I don't have to be petty. The Universe does that for me."

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        • #94
          For me, the best way to home cook a steak is using a griddle pan. I love my cast iron griddle pan, cooks luverly steaks

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          • #95
            Quoth wraiths_crono View Post
            ...I now want a steak, Medium (that means some pink to me) droooolll!
            I had a huge T-Bone last night cooked Medium (the thicker part was more medium rare) and it was to die for.
            Human Resources - the adult version of "I'm telling Mom." - Agent Anthony "Tony" DiNozzo (NCIS)

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            • #96
              Now, I have had people say to me, "Ew. That's gross." A reminder to people who want their meat well done and think rare is gross: Those of us who like bloody meat think the same of your hockey pucks. So you enjoy your charcoal briquettes, and we'll enjoy our mooing bloody slabs, and let's just stop trying to impose our judgment on each other, okay? Because yes, I really do find well done steaks and burgers to be gross. To me, MEDIUM is overcooked.
              The only beef I like well done is ground, simply because the risk for bacteria is higher when it's not cooked in the middle. Steak, I like med-rare to med (depending on the place cooking it).

              I'm still of the opinion that ground beef needs to be cooked through to be safe. but if you like it pink go for it, it's your risk to take. Though as far as I know, any place I've been to in BC here doesn't ask you how you want your burger, they just cook it all the way through. Maybe there are places that do, but I haven't been to any of them, and I've lived and been to quite a few places here. Can't speak for the rest of Canada of course.
              “Bad taste creates many more millionaires than good taste.”

              -Charles Bukowski

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              • #97
                Some people think I'm nuts, but I actually am not fond of steak. Or of any slab of meat I have to cut chunks off. For some reason, I have a hard time swallowing chunks of steak no matter how long I chew them. It's fucked up, but I do love a good burger - often when going out to eat and ordering a hamburger, I ask that it be burned into a hockey puck. No pinkness, no blood - burned and a bit crunchy is perfect for me.

                I'm another one who likes a little burny taste to their food, including marshmallows.

                I'm not grossed out by the way others order their steaks either - if you like your steak bloody and still moving, then that's fine. I think I need my food burnt because I just cringe when thinking of biting into possibly raw meat. I have sunk my teeth into raw chicken once or twice and it made me so ill...that's why my burgers must be well done or burnt and why I have not tried sushi with raw fish yet: I will either vomit, faint, or both from the texture of undercooked or uncooked meat.

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                • #98
                  Quoth Muses_nightmare View Post
                  I'm still of the opinion that ground beef needs to be cooked through to be safe. but if you like it pink go for it, it's your risk to take.
                  Is there a risk to eating ground beef that is not cooked through? Yes.

                  There's also a risk to eating raw oysters, eating raw fish, driving, flying, crossing traffic, walking in the snow, having sex, using a microwave, cooking with oil, working, laying in the sun, swimming, boating, bicycling, walking down the street, hiking, running, exercising, dieting, playing organized sports, ice skating, skiing, riding horses, target shooting, hunting, archery, drinking alcohol, using knives, shopping online, doing repairs around the house, and several hundred other things I could mention.

                  "The Customer Is Always Right...But The Bartender Decides Who Is
                  Still A Customer."

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                  • #99
                    Is there a risk to eating ground beef that is not cooked through? Yes.

                    There's also a risk to eating raw oysters, eating raw fish, driving, flying, crossing traffic, walking in the snow, having sex, using a microwave, cooking with oil, working, laying in the sun, swimming, boating, bicycling, walking down the street, hiking, running, exercising, dieting, playing organized sports, ice skating, skiing, riding horses, target shooting, hunting, archery, drinking alcohol, using knives, shopping online, doing repairs around the house, and several hundred other things I could mention.
                    Yes, and those are all things that people choose to do, though some things listed are you just being a bit picky. Some things have more risk than others so they aren't all in the same category. I was just saying that I personally don't eat my ground meat like that because it could make me sick, but you can if you so choose. I also don't eat raw seafood, or well, seafood at all. And people do get sick from these things, so it is a risk, and depending on where you get your meat prepared, it may not be that small of a risk.
                    “Bad taste creates many more millionaires than good taste.”

                    -Charles Bukowski

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                    • Quoth Muses_nightmare View Post
                      Yes, and those are all things that people choose to do, though some things listed are you just being a bit picky.
                      Yes, these are choice, just as I choose to get my burgers bloody, knowing full well the risks inherent in such a choice, but being an adult and thus capable of such a decision.

                      But I am not being picky. Every single thing I mentioned comes with potential danger. For example....

                      Raw oysters: same risk as undercooked beef.
                      Raw fish: same deal.
                      Driving: kills more people each year than almost anything else. (33,808 people were killed in U.S. traffic fatalities in 2009, and that was a 60 year low. And that was only the U.S.!)
                      Flying: plane crashes are not uncommon, and unlike car crashes, it is highly unlikely that you will survive one. (120 average annual air traffic fatalities, making it the safest form of transportation.)
                      Crossing traffic/Walking down the street: pedestrians get killed by careless, reckless, drunk, and impaired drivers all the time, not to mention speeders, drag racers, and people who blow through red lights. The road is a scary place to be in a car, but a terrifying place to be on foot. And even walking down the street without crossing it is no guarantee of safety. In the U.S., we average over 4,300 pedestrian deaths annually due to motorized vehicles, and that includes those crossing the street and just walking down it, say on the sidewalk.
                      Walking in the snow/Ice skating: Snow and ice, which is often hidden by snow, can be slippery and can cause falls that may injure or even kill you. Admittedly not as dangerous as driving or flying, but not without its pitfalls.
                      Having sex: HIV, gonorrhea, syphilis, chlamydia, crabs, herpes, genital warts, and various other STD's that I either forgot or just don't know about. I'm not going to mention unplanned pregnancy, as that rarely gets one killed, but we could very well include jealous spouses, ex-spouses, stalkers, and boy/girlfriends in the mix of dangers involved in boinking.
                      Using a microwave: There have been some studies that suggest that microwaves may be a potential cause for cancer. Cancer kills.
                      Cooking with oil: I know you're thinking I'm being picky here, as oil burns suck and hurt, but they don't kill. But if that is your thinking, you are clearly forgetting the many kitchen oil fires that not only burn down homes but often kill people in the process, not to mention the numerous deaths each year by people deep-frying turkeys for the holidays. I'm not making this up...look it up on your own.
                      Working: A couple of years ago, workplace fatalities hit a record low for the U.S....and there were almost 5,500 of them nationwide.
                      Laying in the sun: Skin cancer is a genuine risk for sun worshipers. Skin cancer is the most common form of cancer, and is estimated that 8,700 people in the U.S. will die from skin cancer this year.
                      Swimming: It is estimated that 9 people die in the U.S. from drowning PER DAY.
                      Boating: Approximately 700 people die per year in the U.S. in boating accidents.
                      Bicycling: In 2007, there were almost 700 bicycle deaths in the U.S. Over 100 of them occurred in the state I currently reside in, Florida.
                      Hiking: Depending on where you hike, you may encounter bears, poisonous, snakes, scorpions, poisonous spiders, cougars, coyotes, or other dangerous predators I failed to mention. This does not even take into account other potential hiking risks: exposure, dehydration, heat stroke, or getting injured and lost and increasing your chances of falling prey to any number of the above dangers.
                      Running/Exercising: Potentially similar dangers as hiking if you run in some areas, not to mention long term dangers to knees, ankles, and hip joints from the constant pounding on them from the running. And let's not forget the dangers from traffic if you run anywhere near a street.
                      Dieting: Extreme dieting can kill you. Eating disorders have the highest mortality rate of any mental illness, and the death rate for those with anorexia is 12 times higher than that of ALL causes of death for women age 15-24. No, not all dieting is extreme, and not all extreme dieting results in eating disorders, but even without that happening, extreme dieting can cause one to not receive all the nutrients one needs, and thus die from malnutrition.
                      Playing organized sports: About 40% of traumatic brain injuries in children are due to participation in sports.
                      Skiing: An average of 39 people die on the slopes annually. Moving down a large ice-covered rock strapped to two pieces of wood at speed and dodging trees, rocks, and other obstacles can be hazardous to your health.
                      Riding horses: An average of 20 people die from horse-related injuries annually. Horses are much larger than people, and if they fall on you, it ain't pretty. Not to mention that getting thrown from a horse can cause a lot of damage, depending on what it is that stops your forward progress.
                      Target shooting/Hunting: Whatever your stance on gun control, the fact is that hundreds of people die every year in this country from gun accidents. (649 in 2004, for example.) Whatever your stance on guns, the fact is that they have the potential to be very dangerous, sometimes even to experienced gun owners.
                      Archery: I have no idea if anyone has ever died from archery (as opposed to dying from archers, which obviously many in history have), but the fact is that arrows are just bigger, slower bullets, and the potential for serious injury IS there.
                      Drinking alcohol: Alcoholism kills more people each year than those who die from all other drugs combined. Alcohol is the #1 cause in both traffic and boating fatalities. While I am a drinker, I have no illusions about my drug of choice: it can be very, very dangerous.
                      Using knives: Knives cut, and can cut very deeply. I myself have cut myself innumerable times just when prepping food. Any sharp object can be dangerous.
                      Shopping online: While the chance for death is rather low, the chance for identity theft and destruction of one's finances and credit is definitely a risk when putting your credit card information online.
                      Doing repairs around the house: Power tools. Ladders. Blades. Hammers. Nails. Injury is definitely a risk. And let's not forget those who decide to fix their roof.....

                      By comparison to the above, foodborne illnesses cause an average of 5,000 deaths annually in the U.S. Which makes eating that rare burger less dangerous than driving, drinking alcohol, skin cancer, or working, and only slightly more dangerous than crossing or walking down the street.

                      "The Customer Is Always Right...But The Bartender Decides Who Is
                      Still A Customer."

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                      • Quoth Jester View Post
                        Yes, these are choice, just as I choose to get my burgers bloody, knowing full well the risks inherent in such a choice, but being an adult and thus capable of such a decision.

                        But I am not being picky. Every single thing I mentioned comes with potential danger. For example....
                        Dude chill, this is an internet forum. I don't particularly care what you eat or not.
                        “Bad taste creates many more millionaires than good taste.”

                        -Charles Bukowski

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                        • Ok guys, calm down and back off. Jester, I'm with Muses on this one, eat your meat the way you want and get over it.

                          Muses only correctly pointed out that eating ground meat raw carries a risk.
                          Why get so defensive?

                          I think both of you have made your point very well, so move on.
                          This isn't fratching and yet there appears to be a debate going on.
                          Too tired of living and too tired to end it. What a conundrum.

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