Another crack legal mind.

[Dreamstalker]

I still have my New Mexico ID (I do have a home there, and it just makes sense to maintain it in case I end up landing back in that area; besides, it's pretty ). A few holidays ago I was returning there from MA...luckily I had both my state ID and passport as a TSA worker thought I was actually from Mexico and seemed confused that I spoke only very broken Spanish (mmkay, I look as white as can be and my ID says "State Of New Mexico" with a US-format zip code). My mom had to step in on that one.

There are, however, other photo ID's out there, and just because you have a photo ID issued by a government body does not mean we are going to (or even can, legally) accept it.

When I needed some sake for cooking once, I got into a minor "debate" with a local liquor store. Apparently you need a special "Liquor ID" in MA (I've seen mention of it on the RMV website, but I've also been able to buy liquor with just my state ID, so not sure what's correct).

[PepperElf]

damn.... what was the look on his face when your mom had to explain to him the difference between "Mexico" and "New Mexico"? holy crap that's ... really wow.


and yeah, again i'm not sure if it's legal for the cruise lines to withhold passports
but i think some countries are trying to outlaw it (hawaii too i think) since the practice is also used to enforce indentured servitude, human trafficking, forced prostitution etc...

[Argus]

damn.... what was the look on his face when your mom had to explain to him the difference between "Mexico" and "New Mexico"? holy crap that's ... really wow.

That's not unique.

http://www.nmmagazine.com/50missing_may10.php
http://www.nmmagazine.com/50missing_june10.php

[Project_Mars]

You would think so.

Sadly, you would be very, very wrong.

I mean in terms of having forms of ID that would allow them to get alcohol. Whether or not they have it on them is a different matter.

would be kinda lame if I'm still wrong.

[Shalom]

I just remembered something.

The AAA used to (maybe still does) issue so-called "international drivers licenses", which, when presented together with a valid U.S. license, can be used to drive in other countries, but has no legal standing here in the USA.

What are the odds that someone has tried to use one of those in Jester's place to buy booze?

[PatchO'Black]

I'd be really impressed if you produced the song, or even a link to it.

Why, Jester, I'm surprise. It was you yourself who created the Show ID song, as seen here.

For those who don't like to follow links:

THE ID SONG

[to the tune of "If you're happy and you know it, clap your hands]

"If you order alcohol, show ID.
If you want me to serve you booze, let me see.
If you want to get a drink
Then folks you have to think
That if you look that young you'll need your damn ID!

If you're legal and you're thirsty, show some proof.
If you left your home without it you're a goof.
If you're legal and you know it
and you want a drink, then show it.
Cause the only way you're drinking is with proof!

[taxguykarl]

Before the PATRIOT Act, I have seen all kinds of ID--including an apparently home-made "employer" ID for preparing taxes. Now, I see state DL's, ID's, passports, a green card and a Mexican matricula. Like boarding an airplane the ID must be a government-issued, valid photo ID.

[Argus]

The AAA used to (maybe still does) issue so-called "international drivers licenses", which, when presented together with a valid U.S. license, can be used to drive in other countries, but has no legal standing here in the USA.

An International Driver Permit is not strictly a US thing. Essentially, an IDP provides what Jester called "a working understanding of what we are looking at" for officials in countries that don't speak the same language. Someone like Jester may or may not be able to figure out the word Geburtsdatum on a tourist's license, but he doesn't need to if that tourist also has an IDP.

[Jester]

Well, the band (obviously) should be Showaddywaddy.

No, I meant I'd be impressed if you actually pulled my song out of the archives, i.e., found it. Which, apparently, someone did (see below).

When I needed some sake for cooking once, I got into a minor "debate" with a local liquor store. Apparently you need a special "Liquor ID" in MA (I've seen mention of it on the RMV website, but I've also been able to buy liquor with just my state ID, so not sure what's correct).

I have heard something about this, but having never lived in or worked in Massachusetts, other than a few days working for the chain restaurant I was employed at as I was passing through in my travels, I couldn't tell you the validity of this. Mass people, care to chime in?

The AAA used to (maybe still does) issue so-called "international drivers licenses", which, when presented together with a valid U.S. license, can be used to drive in other countries, but has no legal standing here in the USA.

What are the odds that someone has tried to use one of those in Jester's place to buy booze?

If you guessed 100%, you are correct. And not just at my current establishment, but at pretty much every single one I've worked at. More below.

Why, Jester, I'm surprise. It was you yourself who created the Show ID song, as seen here.

Oh, I know I did. I was just wondering who amongs you would dig it out. Congrats....you win bonus points! (Bonus points are redeemable nowhere for a whole lot of nothing, void in West Virginia, Arkansas, and Tucson.)

Someone like Jester may or may not be able to figure out the word Geburtsdatum on a tourist's license, but he doesn't need to if that tourist also has an IDP.

Sorry, that is incorrect. Not only is an IDP not considered a valid form of ID for alcohol purchases, it is actually singled out in our seminars as something we canNOT accept. A lot of people (mostly Americans) will use these things in attempts to purchase alcohol before they are of proper legal age. Apparently, they are easy to get and not as rigorous as a regular driver's license, because it seems that people can get them with false ages on them. Foreign tourists are often befuddled, confused, or downright angry when informed that IDP's are not acceptable for proof of age for alcohol purchases.

In short: IDP's are useless for alcohol purchases and are generally refused out of hand, no different than a cruise ship staff ID (which the people in my original story were attempting to use for ID).

[Dave1982]

I have heard something about this, but having never lived in or worked in Massachusetts, other than a few days working for the chain restaurant I was employed at as I was passing through in my travels, I couldn't tell you the validity of this. Mass people, care to chime in?

A Massachusetts Liquor ID is a NON-Driver's Licence ID card that you can get if you don't have a license but want ID.

Thing is, you can get a regular plain vanilla "Massachusetts ID" card that extends -AFAIK- EXACTLY the same priveleges as a liquor ID. The only different is obvioulsy they won't give a liquor ID to someone under 21, but I don't see a reason for the separate Liquor ID since they'd have to check the age anyway.

So no, you don't NEED a Liquor ID in Mass. It's an alternate type of ID you can opt to get if you are 21 but do NOT have a drivers' license.

[PatchO'Black]

Oh, I know I did. I was just wondering who amongs you would dig it out. Congrats....you win bonus points! (Bonus points are redeemable nowhere for a whole lot of nothing, void in West Virginia, Arkansas, and Tucson.)

Nothing? Darn, I was hoping for bacon. Mmm, bacon.

[dalesys]

Well, the band (obviously) should be Showaddywaddy.
And the words should be crucified on the frame of the "Doo Wah Diddy".

Inspiration passed to the perspired.

No, I meant I'd be impressed if you actually pulled my song out of the archives, i.e., found it. Which, apparently, someone did (see below).

Meh, I was just gunning for the pune value of the names of both the Artist and the song.

[Argus]

Sorry, that is incorrect. Not only is an IDP not considered a valid form of ID for alcohol purchases, it is actually singled out in our seminars as something we canNOT accept.

I didn't say "if that tourist has an IDP instead"; that would be incorrect. I said "if that tourist also has an IDP", because the IDP is just a translation of the accompanying driver's license. (And it looks like a genuine IDP issued in the US has an explicit note that it is invalid within the US -- but there are lots of fake ones out there.)

[Victory Sabre]

I wonder if I was the only one who read the title of the thread this way?

Another legal mind on crack

[Shalom]

I wonder if I was the only one who read the title of the thread this way?

No, you weren't.