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    Background - I'm a librarian in a specialist college. Our students are often entitled asshats, but are usually fairly polite and sane; I enjoy helping with research, because they're usually very grateful when we find things that they can't. They're never as sucky as supermarket morons and others that I read about on the boards, but we do have the occasional one that is...well, ARGH. /end

    "Can you help me find some books?" This in a rather thick accent, and speaking to the desk rather than me. I could get most of the words, but not entirely clearly.

    I cheerfully said "yes, of course" and brought up the catalogue. I thought I'd misheard, so said, "Sorry, what book was it?"

    A mumbled reply along the lines of "I don't know."

    O-k..."Do you know what the subject was?"

    "No."

    You came to the library without knowing what book/subject you wanted to search for? I CANNOT MIND READ! I don't automatically have a list of all current essays and a personal note from your tutor of which one you picked. What do you honestly expect me to do at this point?

    Then he comes up with this gem: "It's the same as Hassan though."

    I gather that this is another student, and look the name up. Nothing on our system. "Hassan?"

    "No, Yassa."

    Nothing coming up there either. "Sorry, how do you spell that?"

    "Yassa. But that's his first name. I don't know his surname."

    We can only search by surname, so that ruins that one. Deep breath. "O-k. Is this for an essay?"

    "Yes." He beams at me.

    "What's the title?"

    "Russia."

    We have a ridiculously big section on Russia, so he's going to have to narrow it down unless he wants to spend the rest of his day in the stacks. I finally get out of him (by dint of trawling through the intranet, bringing up the essay list for his course and having him point to the one that look familiar) that he wants books on the *insert war here*.

    He then tells me that there's a specific article he needs. That's another five minutes to track it down on the intranet (I've given up on him for information at this point) and print it out. He then looks at the article and states, "I have that in my reading pack."

    Right. Wonderful. I throw that piece of paper in the recycling and find the general reading list, print that out, and highlight the area he needs. He's giving it a completely blank look, so I am forced to ask the dreaded words..."Are you familiar with our classification system?"

    "No. Well, I had the tour, but I can't remember."

    I am NOT spending another half an hour walking him around the Library, because he's the sort of student that will try to get me to find all the books. So I smile sweetly, find our classification guide and Library map, and hand them to him with the briefest explanation I can get away with (which was still a good ten minutes). He looks a bit dissapointed that I won't find them, but (thankfully) leaves.

    I later heard him talking to my colleague as he got his books out. As he was talking to the desk again, I couldn't really hear his half, but I heard my colleague: "No, we don't find them...the tutors expect you to do your own research...we will on special occasions but we don't for most students...you're given the reading list this time, later on you'll have to do all the research for yourself...ok, your books are due back in October. Bye!"

    Best thing? At the top of the reading list and essay list, there's a note from the module coordinators. "Students are expected to do their own research and reading for this essay." Sigh.
    I speak English, L33t, Sarcasm and basic Idiot.

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    i guess mommy isn't there to do his essay for him?
    there's some people with issues that medication, therapy or a baseball bat just can't cure

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    • #3
      Don't you just love these folks who put on the stupid and feckless act when you try to explain things or get information from them, hoping that you will give up in frustration and just do the work for them?

      Me neither.

      And they're in for a rude awakening down the road when they discover the hard way that their boss won't put up with that nonsense either.
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      • #4
        Is it bad that from what you posted I got what the guy wanted? Although I don't know what book.

        He was looking into this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ar...NC_meeting.JPG

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        • #5
          Quoth houdini View Post
          At the top of the reading list and essay list, there's a note from the module coordinators. "Students are expected to do their own research and reading for this essay." Sigh.
          You said this was for college, right? My head hurts.
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          • #6
            Unfortunately you find this sort of stupid everywhere. It as if they left their brains at home.

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            • #7
              I would never have the audacity to expect a librarian to go find the books for me. And for that matter, I don't recall ever having reading lists for my research projects during college. I had to go find it myself.

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              • #8
                Quoth XCashier View Post
                Don't you just love these folks who put on the stupid and feckless act when you try to explain things or get information from them, hoping that you will give up in frustration and just do the work for them?

                Me neither.

                And they're in for a rude awakening down the road when they discover the hard way that their boss won't put up with that nonsense either.
                Don't bet on it.
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                • #9
                  Quoth houdini View Post
                  At the top of the reading list and essay list, there's a note from the module coordinators. "Students are expected to do their own research and reading for this essay." Sigh.
                  How, usually they are not?
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                  • #10
                    Quoth XCashier View Post
                    And they're in for a rude awakening down the road when they discover the hard way that their boss won't put up with that nonsense either.
                    Quoth MoonCat View Post
                    Don't bet on it.
                    They'll be promoted to management.
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                    • #11
                      Quoth houdini View Post
                      "Students are expected to do their own research and reading for this essay." Sigh.
                      Quoth C. Cecil Ivanish View Post
                      How, usually they are not?
                      Sadly, it would not surprise me if this came about the same way that the more absurd product warning labels did -- too many people complained, possibly filed lawsuits or threatened to do so, bada bing bada boom: Now you have a disclaimer stating that students must be able to do something that they should never have been allowed into the school if they COULDN'T do it >_>

                      In other words, houdini's experience is likely not as much of an exception as we'd all like to think.
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                      • #12
                        Quoth EricKei View Post
                        Sadly, it would not surprise me if this came about the same way that the more absurd product warning labels did -- too many people complained, possibly filed lawsuits or threatened to do so, bada bing bada boom: Now you have a disclaimer stating that students must be able to do something that they should never have been allowed into the school if they COULDN'T do it
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                        • #13
                          Quoth C. Cecil Ivanish View Post
                          Can I cry for humankind?
                          Please do
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                          • #14
                            Quoth EricKei View Post
                            Sadly, it would not surprise me if this came about the same way that the more absurd product warning labels did -- too many people complained, possibly filed lawsuits or threatened to do so, bada bing bada boom: Now you have a disclaimer stating that students must be able to do something that they should never have been allowed into the school if they COULDN'T do it >_>
                            One day, my boss came in a little rough around the edges. She'd been up half the night, typing her son's term paper. Her 23+ year old son...

                            Apparently he's dyslexic, but even after learning that, my thoughts were :
                            1. Oh sure, and doting mommy did NOT make any corrections while she was typing
                            2. Is mommy going to be standing behind his desk all day when he (presumably) gets a job? Or is he planning on bringing his work home for her to check?

                            Too bad I don't remember what his major was. He's since graduated and has a job doing... something. Good luck, kid.
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                            • #15
                              Quoth EricKei View Post
                              Sadly, it would not surprise me if this came about the same way that the more absurd product warning labels did -- too many people complained, possibly filed lawsuits or threatened to do so, bada bing bada boom: Now you have a disclaimer stating that students must be able to do something that they should never have been allowed into the school if they COULDN'T do it >_>

                              In other words, houdini's experience is likely not as much of an exception as we'd all like to think.
                              To be honest, in our college the lecturers actually putting those words at the top of the paper is an exception. Our students get most of the stuff handed to them on a plate, including reading lists - to be fair, they do have a ridiculously large amount of work to cram into a ridiculously short time, but strangely enough, they still have lots of time for drinking and running and watching "educational" films...

                              They are also told when they start that they are expected to find stuff for themselves. I suspect you can guess how much of that sentence goes in one ear and out the other. We do get asked quite frequently to "research *subject* cos I can't find anything on your catalogue and I'll be in on Friday to pick up anything you find." They usually get a printed list and pointed instructions about how to find stuff ("have you tried looking?")
                              I speak English, L33t, Sarcasm and basic Idiot.

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