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  • I just can't win.

    The Background:

    After almost getting Windows to install on the SATA drive, my computer stopped recognizing it. Thankfully, Newegg gave me an RMA for a refund, and I ordered a 160 GB IDE drive instead. Drive arrived, I got it installed, and after swapping my two 80-pin cables because one didn't want to play with the new drive, I got the drive formatted and Windows happily installed on it. Began the long process of downloading the updates for Windows, and had a scare when my USB ports stopped working. Thanks to a Google search, I got the suggestion to uninstall the USB Root Hubs from the Device Manager and let Windows reinstall them, which worked.

    With Windows installed and fully updated, I began hooking up my three older drives one at a time in slave to the new drive so I could see what was on them, copy over anything I wanted to keep, and then wipe my hands of the older drives. Old OS drive was dead in the water; got the message during POST/etc. telling me "Primary Secondary Drive Failed." Really old OS drive (replaced some time ago) had a few files I wanted; I deleted the partition once I was done copying them. Then it was time for the old storage drive. Hooked it up and, in Safe Mode (just to be safe), began transferring about 55 GB worth of files to the second partition on my new drive.

    The Problem:

    Right from the get-go on the file transfer, things slowed down. Everything had been working normal speed up until now, but the file transfer itself took 10 hours to complete. It didn't take this long to copy most of this stuff to the external hard drive and back. Once the transfer was complete, I shut down the computer.

    The next day, I unhooked the old storage drive from the computer (it's now going to be a backup drive), hooked my DVD burner up to the computer as master to the DVD reader (previously, I had just the DVD reader hooked up to keep hooked-up components to a minimum), and booted the computer up. The computer failed to boot into Windows twice, until I managed to get it to Safe Mode. It took about 10 minutes to get to Safe Mode's desktop, and everything was responding slowly. If I right-clicked on something, it took a good minute or two for the pop-up menu to show up. After about half an hour, a window popped up complaining that the driver for "CD-ROM" wasn't digitally signed. I cancelled the installation, to see another window telling me that Windows couldn't install the DVD burner. Things still ran slow.

    After trying to check several things and all leads turning up empty, I restarted the computer into normal Windows. It took at least 20 minutes to finally get to the desktop. Again, after about half an hour, it gave an error that the "CD-ROM" driver wasn't digitally signed; again, when I cancelled that, the window said it couldn't install the DVD burner. Things still run slower than molassess in winter.

    When I right-click on My Computer and select Properties, when the "Computer" information finally shows up, it only shows my 512 MB of memory; it doesn't show my processor. The processor is visible in Device Management, however, and claims to be working fine. The only items with exclamation point icons in Device Management are things like my Raid controller (has always had that icon, even when Windows runs fine) and my sound and ethernet cards (drivers not installed). While the DVD burner was hooked up, it also had an exclamation point icon, though I've since unhooked it again--no change to the system's speed.

    When I try to go to the System Information utility, the System Summary screen only shows the words "Please select sub-category," rather than actually showing me my system summary.

    Nothing seems amiss when I look at the performance tab of the Task Manager.

    The only difference that I know of between my system now and Monday morning when it ran fine is the presence of 55 GB worth of files on the second partition on the drive itself.

    The Request:

    Does anyone have any idea what might be slowing it down? With as little training as I have, I suspect my processor might be going (it's 4-5 years old, if I recall correctly). However, I can't find anything overtly wrong with the processor. The computer detects all the RAM, so I don't think it's a RAM problem.

    ::sigh:: If it's not one thing, it's another.

    My System:

    Just in case anyone needs this info to help:

    Windows XP Professional SP2
    512 MB Ram
    AMD Athlon XP 1700+ MHz processor
    ASUS A7V600 Motherboard
    Western Digital 160 GB IDE hard drive, partitioned into 50 GB OS partition and 100 GB storage partition
    Lite-On DVD-ROM drive
    NEC 16x DVD Burner (currently disconnected)
    "Enough expository banter. It's time we fight like men. And ladies. And ladies who dress like men. For Gilgamesh...IT'S MORPHING TIME!"
    - Gilgamesh, Final Fantasy V

  • #2
    I hate those Windows updates. Well the ones that you have to go to the website to do them. I had to do them that way at work about 5 months ago. I should check it again.
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    • #3
      It could have just been bad luck that the update was the last thing you did. As sad as this going to sound. It could be 2 things. A dieing motherboard or your power supply is dieing.

      My first suggestion is to replace the power supply with one that has enough power. 400 watts should be enough. Most likely its the power supply, either that or you didn't quite ground yourself enough when you went in to swap the hard-drives. Which would mean your motherboard got a nasty static discharge. Which all points to bad luck.
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      • #4
        This might be a bit simplistic, but we are talking about 55gb of stuff.

        Defrag the drive?
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        • #5
          That's true. I was assuming that since he has XP pro, that he used NTFS. But if he stayed with FAT that would do it.
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          • #6
            Except that a fragmented drive isn't going to explain the lack of drivers found for the dvd drive.

            It *could* explain it being that slow I guess. But if it was a brand new drive (or newly formatted and partitioned) it *should* have written those 55 GB in sequence, so defragging shouldn't really do anything.

            Next time you start it up (with the bad drive connected), and it fails on that, try and have it install drivers.

            It doesn't sound so much like the CPU died. It could be the motherboard (drive controller or bus), or it could be a bad sector on your brand new hard-drive. Try a scan disk on that (caution, with how slow everything is currently running, that may take a while).

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            • #7
              The new drive is formatted in NTFS. FAT wasn't even an option.

              Next time I boot it up, I'll try scanning and defragging.

              Now to figure out where to find a power supply. Ever since CompUSA closed around here, the nearest computer parts store is more than half an hour away with odd hours (little two-man shop) and irregular stock.

              I don't know why the burner failed to install. It worked the last time my computer was all up and running, and the only drivers it needed to install were whichever ones Windows pulled up when it noticed there was a new drive hooked up.

              Oh well. If all else fails, I'll be getting a new computer from my in-laws in a few weeks. They're updating their computers in my FIL's dental office, and are going to give me one of the old ones. So long as it has a newer mobo/processor than my current PC, and so long as it takes the new drive I got, I'll be satisfied.
              "Enough expository banter. It's time we fight like men. And ladies. And ladies who dress like men. For Gilgamesh...IT'S MORPHING TIME!"
              - Gilgamesh, Final Fantasy V

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              • #8
                I've seen similar slow response with PC's that have the incorrect master/slave settings on the drives. Windows spends a lot of time trying to sort them out. Here are the steps I would suggest:

                1. Double check your jumper settings. Make certain they are correct. This, more often than not, has been the cause of these symptoms in my experience.

                2. Unplug all drives except for the windows drive and boot it up. If it comes up running fine, go out to the internet and download the drivers for your CDR or CDRW drive (whichever you are getting an error for) and save it to your hard drive for future reference.

                3. Plug in one drive at a time, rebooting and making sure that each is working before continuing. If you encounter the slowdown, that particular drive is the issue. It may be a hardware conflict, driver, or something else.

                4. Once you find which device is causing the slowdown, check the cable it is plugged into. If you find any breaks or kinks, replace it.

                5. Move the "problem" drive to another cable and seeing if the problem still exists. If it IS, then your drive is the problem. If the jumpers are set correctly, you may need to replace said drive. If the problem clears up when you switch cables, replace the cable.


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                • #9
                  The only drives currently hooked up are the 160 GB drive (Windows on one partition, data storage on the other) and the DVD-ROM that I used to install Windows. Both were working fine on Sunday and on Monday morning. Both are jumpered to cable select, and are on the end (black) connectors of 80-pin IDE cables. The hard drive is on the primary IDE channel, and the DVD-ROM is on the secondary IDE channel.

                  I can try unhooking the DVD-ROM drive and see if that's slowing things down. That's about all I can unhook and still expect the computer to boot, though.

                  Thanks for all the input so far. My computer is currently checking the storage partition. Once that's done, I'm defragging it and then rebooting so it can check the OS partition as well, and then we'll see how things go from there.
                  "Enough expository banter. It's time we fight like men. And ladies. And ladies who dress like men. For Gilgamesh...IT'S MORPHING TIME!"
                  - Gilgamesh, Final Fantasy V

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                  • #10
                    Quoth Kogarashi View Post
                    The only drives currently hooked up are the 160 GB drive (Windows on one partition, data storage on the other) and the DVD-ROM that I used to install Windows. Both were working fine on Sunday and on Monday morning. Both are jumpered to cable select, and are on the end (black) connectors of 80-pin IDE cables. The hard drive is on the primary IDE channel, and the DVD-ROM is on the secondary IDE channel.
                    Are you absolutely sure about cable select? If so change the drives to Master.
                    Last edited by Naaman; 05-17-2008, 12:15 AM. Reason: Grammar sucked :(
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                    • #11
                      Update:

                      Holy crap, I can't believe that worked!

                      When I rebooted the computer, it started the scheduled ChkDsk for the OS partition. On the file verification part, it listed several file record segments as unreadable, and on the second step of five (whatever that step was), it deleted three files. Everything else went smoothly, and wonder of wonders, when it finished and rebooted, everything was running back up to speed.

                      So thank you, technical.angel and vman for suggesting the scan/defrag. :hugs: You're awesome. And thanks everyone else for the input as well. It's nice to have so many people who are willing to help.


                      Quoth Naaman View Post
                      Are you absolutely sure about cable select? If so change the drives them to Master.
                      Absolutely sure. I triple-checked the jumper settings before hooking the drives up, and they've been on cable select since I installed the new drive. For some reason, the computer wouldn't detect it when I had it jumpered for a single drive, and the master setting on it is listed as only when there's a slave hooked up to it. Since the DVD-ROM was on the secondary IDE channel instead, I just set it to cable select to avoid headaches and it worked.

                      Next step is hooking up the DVD burner again and hoping it installs this time. The two DVD drives are going on the same IDE channel, with the burner as master to the ROM. If that doesn't work with cable select settings, then I'll try jumpering those back to master/slave.

                      But anyway, thanks again everyone!
                      "Enough expository banter. It's time we fight like men. And ladies. And ladies who dress like men. For Gilgamesh...IT'S MORPHING TIME!"
                      - Gilgamesh, Final Fantasy V

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                      • #12
                        Quoth Kogarashi View Post
                        So thank you, technical.angel and vman for suggesting the scan/defrag. :hugs: You're awesome.
                        ::bows::

                        Thank you, thank you. All in a day's work.
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