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  • 1970's Hulk vs Comic Book/Movie Hulk

    And some questions...

    Ok, Maybe it's because I'm not "in tune" with comic books, and I was born in the mid 1970's, but I'm sort of partial to the Incredible Hulk from the TV show. Lou Ferrigno was great in that role.

    First, origin story. I don't know the comic book origin story, but I think the 1970's TV show "origin story" is just as tragic.

    His wife dies in a car accident, and he starts to examine why some people have that "superhuman" moment where they can lift cars, and others (like himself) don't. He accidentally overdoses on Gamma radiation (the machines had been recalibrated unbeknownst to him, apparently). On his way home, in a thunderstorm, he gets a flat, injures himself while changing the tire, and turns into the Hulk for the first time.

    Later, there's a fire at his lab, one of his colleagues dies, he turns into the Hulk and makes a rescue. Then a reporter starts to try to track him down, but David Banner (in the TV show, he's David) is "dead", so Banner must continue letting people believe he's dead, while he looks for a cure. And he basically becomes a drifter because of the reporter.

    It seems like a lot of the time, at least in the TV series, his transformation seems to be brought about by anger, pain, or stress, not just "anger". But I've often wondered if, in the original series, he could turn into the Hulk "on purpose", and if he couldn't, I wonder if he knew he was changing, and knew (at least to the extent where "David" was suppressed and he was the Hulk) what was going on, and knew what happened (and what he did) afterward.

    He also gains superhuman strength, yes, but he doesn't have superhuman strength (a-la the comic books or movies).

    And I honestly haven't seen the movies with Hulk, but in the 1970's TV show, as hulk, he always seemed to run off before he turned back into David, except for in one clip I saw on YouTube (because I haven't seen the whole series).

    And I've been wondering how much of David was "still there" when he was the Hulk. Based on the TV show, he wasn't just a completely primal, incredibly strong creature. He seemed cognizant of who was in trouble and who needed help, and who the "bad guys" were. He wasn't portrayed as a "superhero" in the traditional sense.

    Also, in the TV show, David was a drifter, because he felt he couldn't stay in one place long, especially after turning into the Hulk.

    I don't know how they ended the series, but I don't think he ever found a cure.

    But the Hulk of the Comics and movies, based on my extremely limited knowledge, seems much more of a "superhero" (i.e. he can throw tanks around, jump super long distances, etc), whereas in the TV show, he could throw people through walls, rip doors off of hinges, etc., but he couldn't do things like he does in the movies.

    Thoughts?
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  • #2
    I liked that show, too.

    Apparently, the show was simply cancelled, so there was never any proper resolution. The actors did reappear in a TV movie or two, however; the only one I recall seeing is the one where he met Thor from the late 80's (The Incredible Hulk Returns).

    As for his name - a side note: His gravestone in the intro reads "David Bruce Banner." The network forced the change for...er...fratchworthy reasons. I think you can probably guess the details.
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    • #3
      Quoth EricKei View Post
      As for his name - a side note: His gravestone in the intro reads "David Bruce Banner." The network forced the change for...er...fratchworthy reasons. I think you can probably guess the details.
      I did read something about that.

      Something else I read was that Ted Cassidy (I remember him as Lurch from the Addams Family) not only did the "intro" to the show "Dr. David Banner. Physician, Scientist..." but also the Hulk's growls for some of the show's run.
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      • #4
        Quoth mjr View Post
        And I've been wondering how much of David was "still there" when he was the Hulk. Based on the TV show, he wasn't just a completely primal, incredibly strong creature. He seemed cognizant of who was in trouble and who needed help, and who the "bad guys" were. He wasn't portrayed as a "superhero" in the traditional sense.

        Also, in the TV show, David was a drifter, because he felt he couldn't stay in one place long, especially after turning into the Hulk.

        I don't know how they ended the series, but I don't think he ever found a cure.

        But the Hulk of the Comics and movies, based on my extremely limited knowledge, seems much more of a "superhero" (i.e. he can throw tanks around, jump super long distances, etc), whereas in the TV show, he could throw people through walls, rip doors off of hinges, etc., but he couldn't do things like he does in the movies.

        Thoughts?
        I can't really speak for the TV show. In the comics, how cognizant Banner is of his time as the Hulk varies sometimes, but usually he doesn't have any memory of what the Hulk does when in control. Banner also suffers more of a dissociative identity disorder in the comics, with different Hulks of differing personalities, all generally slotting into the various 'roles'/alters of a DID system-- Savage Hulk, Joe Fixit, Worldbreaker, and Devil Hulk.

        Generally there isn't a "cure" for Banner's condition. Every so often, Banner will try to reincorporate/merge one or more of his alters-- Professor Hulk (Banner's smarts with Savage Hulk's power) is probably the most well-known case of it. But Banner has a lot of issues in his head that he hasn't quite ever gotten therapy over.

        The Immortal Hulk comic series has stated that gamma radiation actually exhibits in a "third form" (not a wave or a particle) that is more mystical in nature, and is the reason that gamma creates mutates and monsters, often influenced by the psyche of the individual. SPOILER: [The third form of gamma is an emanation from the One Below All, the antithesis of the One Above All (the ruler of the multiverse), which desires to destroy everything else in the multiverse until it is the only presence remaining. It can influence any gamma mutate.]
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        • #5
          Quoth Jay 2K Winger View Post
          I can't really speak for the TV show. In the comics, how cognizant Banner is of his time as the Hulk varies sometimes, but usually he doesn't have any memory of what the Hulk does when in control. Banner also suffers more of a dissociative identity disorder in the comics, with different Hulks of differing personalities, all generally slotting into the various 'roles'/alters of a DID system-- Savage Hulk, Joe Fixit, Worldbreaker, and Devil Hulk.
          Interesting. In the television show, I did see a clip where he turned into the Hulk, and when he turned back, some police found him and because he had just turned back into Banner, he seemed to have no recollection of why he was where he was. They thought he might be drunk. That would indicate that the Banner side of him isn't really cognizant when he's Hulk, but sometimes the actions of the Hulk seem to indicate otherwise. And in the TV show, he has but one personality.

          Although there is a clip where he turns into the Hulk in a hospital and is gentle to a baby, giving the baby to its mother.

          I might have to go and see if I can find more episodes because there's something else about the TV series I don't understand. It's this reporter guy following him around trying to get dirt on him. Seems, at least for the first season, to follow him everywhere. That's the McGee guy from in the intro "Mr. McGee, don't make me angry. You wouldn't like me when I'm angry."
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          • #6
            IIRC, the Hulk is being blamed for the disappearance/presumed death of Dr Banner. McGee is basically doing the "dogged, intrepid reporter in pursuit of justice" thing, likely in hopes of winning a Pulitzer for uncovering the secret of this horrible monster, etc etc. He clearly realizes that David is connected to it somehow, he's just not sure in what way.
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            "Retail is a cruel master, and could very well be the most educational time of many people's lives, in its own twisted way." - me
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            • #7
              Quoth EricKei View Post
              IIRC, the Hulk is being blamed for the disappearance/presumed death of Dr Banner. McGee is basically doing the "dogged, intrepid reporter in pursuit of justice" thing, likely in hopes of winning a Pulitzer for uncovering the secret of this horrible monster, etc etc. He clearly realizes that David is connected to it somehow, he's just not sure in what way.
              Seems like McGee would always be a step behind, though. Because he'd have to wait until the Hulk appeared somewhere, then go interview people. And since David was a wanderer, it might be hard to actually track him down. Based on some of the things I've seen, he's run into David, but didn't recognize him, and he shows up in several places where David is, but doesn't really put it together.
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              • #8
                If memory severs in the original comic Banner is a nuclear scientist testing a bomb. some kid wonders into the test area Bruce saved him but is exposed to the full blast because he could not make to the shelter in time
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                • #9
                  RM - I believe so; I seem to recall seeing panels to that effect. Also, while I'm not 100% sure on either of these:

                  - I believe the higher-ups who actually performed the test knew that he was out there but refused to call the test off (very possibly General Grant)
                  - This may also have been what created Sandman because someone else was in the blast radius, though that have been a retcon.
                  "For a musician, the SNES sound engine is like using Crayola Crayons. Nobuo Uematsu used Crayola Crayons to paint the Sistine Chapel." - Jeremy Jahns (re: "Dancing Mad")
                  "The difference between an amateur and a master is that the master has failed way more times." - JoCat
                  "Thinking is difficult, therefore let the herd pronounce judgment!" ~ Carl Jung
                  "There's burning bridges, and then there's the lake just to fill it with gasoline." - Wiccy, reddit
                  "Retail is a cruel master, and could very well be the most educational time of many people's lives, in its own twisted way." - me
                  "Love keeps her in the air when she oughta fall down...tell you she's hurtin' 'fore she keens...makes her a home." - Capt. Malcolm Reynolds, "Serenity" (2005)
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                  • #10
                    Which origin story do you like better? Comics or TV show?
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                    • #11
                      Quoth mjr View Post
                      Which origin story do you like better? Comics or TV show?
                      do not forget the many movie versions all involve radiation overdose but different "delivery" methods
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                      • #12
                        My first exposure (heh) to the concept was the TV show, which has it pretty simplified/dumbed down, but I think I enjoy the comic one I referenced the most.
                        "For a musician, the SNES sound engine is like using Crayola Crayons. Nobuo Uematsu used Crayola Crayons to paint the Sistine Chapel." - Jeremy Jahns (re: "Dancing Mad")
                        "The difference between an amateur and a master is that the master has failed way more times." - JoCat
                        "Thinking is difficult, therefore let the herd pronounce judgment!" ~ Carl Jung
                        "There's burning bridges, and then there's the lake just to fill it with gasoline." - Wiccy, reddit
                        "Retail is a cruel master, and could very well be the most educational time of many people's lives, in its own twisted way." - me
                        "Love keeps her in the air when she oughta fall down...tell you she's hurtin' 'fore she keens...makes her a home." - Capt. Malcolm Reynolds, "Serenity" (2005)
                        Acts of Gord – Read it, Learn it, Love it!
                        "Our psychic powers only work if the customer has a mind to read." - me

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                        • #13
                          Quoth Jay 2K Winger View Post
                          Professor Hulk (Banner's smarts with Savage Hulk's power)
                          That describes the MCU Professor Hulk perfectly.

                          Professor Hulk in the comics was also that, plus Joe Fixit's/Grey Hulk's cunning, with a psychic fail safe that banner himself built in that if he ever got too angry, he'd regress back to Banner, with Savage's personality. Savage Banner, if you will. Eventually it was retconned that Prof. Hulk was just another Hulk personality, rather than a true merging of the three core personalities.

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                          • #14
                            I came across this recently and was immediately reminded of this thread.

                            Don't make me angry...
                            "For a musician, the SNES sound engine is like using Crayola Crayons. Nobuo Uematsu used Crayola Crayons to paint the Sistine Chapel." - Jeremy Jahns (re: "Dancing Mad")
                            "The difference between an amateur and a master is that the master has failed way more times." - JoCat
                            "Thinking is difficult, therefore let the herd pronounce judgment!" ~ Carl Jung
                            "There's burning bridges, and then there's the lake just to fill it with gasoline." - Wiccy, reddit
                            "Retail is a cruel master, and could very well be the most educational time of many people's lives, in its own twisted way." - me
                            "Love keeps her in the air when she oughta fall down...tell you she's hurtin' 'fore she keens...makes her a home." - Capt. Malcolm Reynolds, "Serenity" (2005)
                            Acts of Gord – Read it, Learn it, Love it!
                            "Our psychic powers only work if the customer has a mind to read." - me

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