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  • Work situation, need advice?

    I have a question, hypothetical of course.

    I have this friend you see, and this friend's work place is going through a huge restructure. Many positions have been cut and she has found out secretly that her department will be cut in half.

    That means without a doubt her position will be gone.

    Now say this friend hasn't resigned but has told her boss she intends to leave to travel later this year. She hasnt given her boss any kind of resignation, and she has told her a date but told her it is COMPLETELY flexible.

    My friend does parts of the job, that no one else knows how to do and she would have to train someone who was getting a job over her and this woman and her dont get along. By not getting along, she cant stand this rude, over bearing, passive agressive old cow. The feeling is mutual and the other woman is rude and sneaky towards my friend. Going behind her back to her boss when something happens she doesnt like instead of discussing it with or infront of her.

    two questions she wants to ask, hypothetically.

    1. Should she force them to make her redundant instead of handing in her notice. That way she would recieve redundancy pay as well as being paid out for her holiday hours.

    The reason she asks is handing in her notice/ being made redundant would happen at the same time. If she wasn't intending to travel she would be out of a job anyway and they would have to pay it. She is worried they are going to tell her that as she was planning on leaving eventually she should just hand in her notice early.... which would totally screw my friend financially as she is counting on working until the week before she goes.

    If she figures correctly, this should happen 7 weeks before she plans on leaving which would leave her at least 3 grand short on what she needs to travel.

    2. Should she show the people staying how to do her job?

    The reason she asks this is, ALL of her work, her ENTIRE workload is on a computer, and her partner can not even double click and is RUDE AS ALL HELL when my friend tries to show her how to navigate a simple website.
    It would mean not only showing this woman how to do her work, but how to use a computer?

    My friend has no problem what-so-ever showing someone how to do her job, but she is not being paid to teach someone how to use a computer, let alone someone who is RUDE to her on a daily basis.

    My friend isnt doing this to be difficult, she wants to be professional, but she highly suspects (for good reason) that the other two in the department are going to protect each other and keep her in the black as much as possible. So she doesnt see why she should have to go out of her way (and job description) because her company is eliminating her position but not her duties.

    so what are your thoughts for both questions?
    I wasnt put on this earth to make you feel like a man ~ Mary Bertone

  • #2
    I'd say she should definitely have them make her redundant. If she quits, she gets nothing...I would definitely have them make the move for her.

    As for the second question...she should try, but not necessarily go out of her way. If her partner is going to be thick as a brick about learning, that's not her problem. I would at least make the effort.
    "Well, ergo cogitum daltitum e pluribus shut your piehole." -Mike Rowe

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    • #3
      Yeah, I'd insist on the redunancy if I was your friend, and make a minimal effort at least at training the "replacement." Also, maybe if your friend likes the boss, have her write a list of everything the replacement's failed to learn and give it to him when she's finished.
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      • #4
        If your friend really, really likes the boss, your friend can write a training manual.

        Simple training manual:
        - do the task, writing down each step as you go.
        - do the task again, following the manual and only the manual.
        - repeat until you can do the task, following the manual, without screwing up.

        Then think through all the variations of the task, and write down what you do with them as well.

        Ideal:
        - write down what background knowledge is required for the job.
        - have two or three people with that background knowledge try following the manual. Watch them, and watch what steps they get stuck on, and how they try to get unstuck. Those will be places where you wrote something ambiguous or missed a step. Actually, it might be about two steps earlier and the problem is only showing up now.
        - correct those mistakes.

        Professional-grade manuals:
        - same as ideal, but with a lot more testers.
        - also add examples, diagrams, explanatory stuff.
        - write concisely, unambiguously, and clearly.
        - pay a lot of attention to structure.
        - get edited, proofread and typeset.
        - really, really not necessary for this sort of situation.
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        1. Would you rather be right, or get the result you want?
        2. If you're consistently getting results you don't want, change what you do.
        3. Deal with the situation you have now, however it occurred.
        4. Accept the consequences of your decisions.

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        • #5
          How sure is your friend about the restructuring?

          Hypothetically speaking, of course.
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          • #6
            100% it has been announced

            but they are staggering the redundancies and the staff are not being told which department is next.

            as my friends department is admin support, Im guessing they will be last which should be april.
            I wasnt put on this earth to make you feel like a man ~ Mary Bertone

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            • #7
              Make them let her go. Don't do the hard part for them.
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              • #8
                My friend liked her boss until she found out she is protecting the other team mate and keeping her in the black.

                Both her boss and team mates are computer illiterate. My friend isnt being paid to write a manual and she doesnt see why she should if she is losing her job.

                ugh this isnt a nice situation at all.
                I wasnt put on this earth to make you feel like a man ~ Mary Bertone

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                • #9
                  Do whatever gets her the money. If she knows she's going to be let go, then there's a limit to how much she has to put up with, right? Who's going to train the cow if she's gone? So, if the cow-irker becomes unreasonable, then your friend should tell her that if she doesn't learn it now, there won't be anyone around to answer the cow's questions when your friend is gone. Better listen up!

                  But get the money. There's no point to being right and poor.
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                  • #10
                    Quoth Kiwi View Post
                    My friend liked her boss until she found out she is protecting the other team mate and keeping her in the black.

                    Both her boss and team mates are computer illiterate. My friend isnt being paid to write a manual and she doesnt see why she should if she is losing her job.

                    ugh this isnt a nice situation at all.
                    Maybe if they'll keep her on a bit longer if she writes the manual though? Not sure how these things work but maybe if it will get her a little bit more time there then it would help some.
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                    • #11
                      YAYYYYYYYYYYY

                      not only was my job was confirmed on Friday

                      I got a $1750 pay rise

                      one of the managers (not mine) TOTALLY went into bat for me and said that I had potential the ran WAY past my current job, unlike the other woman on the team who couldnt move up (she wasnt given a raise either)

                      they said even with me moving offices, I would be a credit to the company

                      Im sooooooo relieved.... not only that but the manager who made the call takes care of all of Oceania Zone (NZ, OZ, part of asia and the paific islands) and he told my manager they are to do "everything possible" to make sure I stay with the company so three managers are in talks with HR London!!!!

                      my company has like 14 companies based in London that would be SO Saweet!!!
                      I wasnt put on this earth to make you feel like a man ~ Mary Bertone

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                      • #12
                        Go Kiwi!

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