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  • #1

    Still trying to figure out who's at fault here...

    Had an accident sighting last night as I was leaving a 7-11.

    Guy in an older black pickup truck was cruising down one of the bigger roads in our town and comes to a stop. He didn't slam on the brakes but he basically rolled to a stop after 20 feet. I'm guessing maybe he was looking for an address.

    The guy in the car behind him swerves a bit but avoids hitting the pickup.

    The guy behind him, however, was going too fast/too close and slammed into the middle guy, tearing off his bumper.

    The guy in the middle pulls in front of the pickup, partially to scream at the guy for why the hell did he stop in the middle of a busy street and probably to make sure he didn't bolt.



    I didn't stick around for the aftermath, but I wonder who's at fault.

    I figure the third guy in line is definitely getting in some trouble with the cops/insurance since he shouldn't have been going so fast as to rearend the middle guy.

    I tend to wonder if the guy in the pickup might get at least a ticket for disrupting traffic or something for stopping short on a main road in front of a line of traffic.

    Have to see if they mention it in the local newspaper this week.
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    Having been rear ended recently, I can tell you that in my state the third car would be the only one at fault. It is never the fault of the person who stops.

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    • #3
      Yeah, the third guy is gonna take the ding for it. In the state of Virginia, if you rear-end someone, you're automatically at-fault. I speak from experience.

      My sister was in the middle car once. But in her case, the impact knocked her into the car ahead of her. She was a teenager at the time, and the cop who attended the scene declared her at-fault.

      ...until they went to court. The judge read the reports, asked the officer, "Did you see the accident?" "Your Honor, I took their--" "Did you see the accident?" "No, Your Honor." And bam, the judge threw out the case.
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      • #4
        Same in Michigan, the third car is the one who failed to keep his car in control and yielding to stopped traffic. If he had put the second car into the first car however both the 2nd and 3rd cars would be at fault UNLESS it can be told by tire marks that the second car had their foot on the brake.

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        • #5
          I believe NJ would be the same, third car at fault, irregardless of the fact the truck "caused" everyone to stop short due to his sudden stopping. Had car #2 hit the truck, he might have been at fault, not quite sure how that works, even if car #3 caused car #2 to hit the truck.

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          • #6
            In Ohio, the third guy would have been completely at fault. "Assured Safe Distance" I believe is the official term. Had the middle guy hit the truck, he would have been at fault as well, even if he was pushed into the truck. (Yes, this has happened to me.)
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            • #7
              ...until they went to court. The judge read the reports, asked the officer, "Did you see the accident?" "Your Honor, I took their--" "Did you see the accident?" "No, Your Honor." And bam, the judge threw out the case.
              Yeah. A lot of states do not automatically blame the middle cars. For which I'm glad, cos sometimes there's no such thing as "you were too close to the car ahead of you".

              One of my former coworkers told us how he saw a woman rear-end a truck and shove it 15 feet, she was going that fast. That's almost a whole car-length.

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              • #8
                Quoth PepperElf View Post
                Yeah. A lot of states do not automatically blame the middle cars. For which I'm glad, cos sometimes there's no such thing as "you were too close to the car ahead of you".

                One of my former coworkers told us how he saw a woman rear-end a truck and shove it 15 feet, she was going that fast. That's almost a whole car-length.
                15 feet? That's nothing compared to cases where the "middle car" has traces of orange paint on its back end.
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                • #9
                  Quoth wolfie View Post
                  15 feet? That's nothing compared to cases where the "middle car" has traces of orange paint on its back end.
                  Isn't that also now its front end, courtesy of Pumpkin Trucking?
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                  • #10
                    What's the significance of the orange paint?

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                    • #11
                      Quoth Chromatix View Post
                      What's the significance of the orange paint?
                      The car that hit them was orange?

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                      • #12
                        Quoth Chromatix View Post
                        What's the significance of the orange paint?
                        I suspect wolfie was referring to a certain US trucking company famous for the quality of their drivers... selected from the far end of the bell curve... and it ain't the top.
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                        • #13
                          Quoth dalesys View Post
                          I suspect wolfie was referring to a certain US trucking company famous for the quality of their drivers... selected from the far end of the bell curve... and it ain't the top.
                          Is that the reason they've started repainting their rigs?
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                          • #14
                            You've heard of "... scraping the bottom of the barrel ..." ?

                            Some companies turn the barrel over and scrape from below the bottom for their hires.
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                            • #15
                              Or they throw the barrel over the side of the ship, tear up the hold deck and start poking around in the bilge water...

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