Stay on your side.

[JPD]

Since a picture tells a thousand words, and it makes the story a lot easier to tell. My car is the blue dot on the side road, The sucky driver is the white line, aproximated. I may be off by a very small margin.



I was coming down the street, not yet at where the stop sign is, and no where near the stop line, which can't be seen here, but is a little ways past the sign. Out of habit at this spot, I am also closer to the grass then I normally am. I notice a van starting to make a left hand turn onto the street I am on, and instead of going to his side of the street he makes a sharp turn, and if I didn't stop a little way before the stop sign he would have grazed my car.

When pulling out most cars stop at where the red dot on the screen is, I have the other driver in white, while I'm in blue.

What makes this worse is the van had the yellow thing on top that said carrying school children. I use this intersection frequently, and I think I've seen cars turn left onto the side road maybe three times, and cars turn right onto the main road only a handful of times as well.

[JPD]

I ment to put this in roadkill can a mod move it for me please.

Sorry

[Ree]

Moved.

Next time, please PM a mod or report the post so we can actually see the request.

It doesn't do a lot of good normally to leave messages like that in the thread because we don't always see them, as we don't always get a chance to read every single post.
(In this case, another member reported it and pointed it out to us.)

[HYHYBT]

Don't take this the wrong way, but since you *weren't* pulled up further, and since, based only on the information in your post there's no reason to suppose they wouldn't have gone around had you been up further, what does it really matter? That sort of turn is a lot easier to make the way they did it, when conditions permit, which is why they put the stop line so far back in the first place. (Which I hate because, based on similar intersections I've been through, they put it so far back that you cannot see whether it's safe to go or not, defeating the purpose of having a stop at all unless you ignore the line and pull up.)

[Andara Bledin]

Don't take this the wrong way, but since you *weren't* pulled up further, and since, based only on the information in your post there's no reason to suppose they wouldn't have gone around had you been up further, what does it really matter?

The point is that the other vehicle, for no reason other than bad driving habits, made an unsafe turn.

I despise people who can't be arsed to pull out far enough to safely clear the center line when making left turns. I can't even count how often I've had people nearly clip me because that extra three feet would have taken so much time and effort on their part that it was beyond their meager allotment.

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[mikoyan29]

Maybe Andara is mentioning the same pet peeve of mine but anyways, I hate it when I'm making a left turn and waiting at the light and people on the other road are making a left turn and take a nice loose turn nearly clipping the front corner of my car. I hate it even more when I'm approaching the light and people are turning a good 3 or 4 feet into my turn lane. Fortunately I anticipate this and wait before I pull up to where I'm supposed to be (many lights around here have sensors and if you aren't exactly where you're supposed to be they don't trip). I mean does it take that much effort to make a nice crisp turn?

[Andara Bledin]

Mikoyan29, that is exactly what I'm talking about. I do the same thing when approaching the front of a left turn lane when I know that cross traffic will be turning past me because it never fails that at least one of them will cross over the corner of my lane.

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[Geek King]

(Which I hate because, based on similar intersections I've been through, they put it so far back that you cannot see whether it's safe to go or not, defeating the purpose of having a stop at all unless you ignore the line and pull up.)

Check local laws, but where I'm at, law states you stop at the line or even with the sign. If you cannot see if the way is clear at that point, you are allowed to edge forward until you can see.

[HYHYBT]

The point is that the other vehicle, for no reason other than bad driving habits, made an unsafe turn.

Ah, but that's precisely my point. It's *not* an unsafe turn if you were stopped further up the road.

[Magpie]

Ah, but that's precisely my point. It's *not* an unsafe turn if you were stopped further up the road.

Except that unless the driver knows for certain where the other car is stopped (and from the picture that looks unlikely), it's an unsafe turn, even if there's no other car there. If you can't tell that your way is clear (or, in worst case, that it's extremely likely to be so), then it's an unsafe manoeuvre.

[Andara Bledin]

Ah, but that's precisely my point. It's *not* an unsafe turn if you were stopped further up the road.

If you can't tell that your way is clear (or, in worst case, that it's extremely likely to be so), then it's an unsafe manoeuvre.

It is completely and utterly irrelevant as to whether or not there is a car stopped or coming down that road.

The person turning left from the left-hand fork to the right-hand fork is to do so by pulling forward enough so that when they perform the turn, they do not, at any point, cross into the lane of oncoming traffic.

But many drivers are blithering idiots who can't be bothered to take the extra two seconds to pull out far enough to make a safe left turn. And they get worse, the closer to a U-turn they get. I've actually had people from behind me cut me off when I've made U-turns because they've cut the corner too tight while not realizing that I, too, and making a full U-turn and not just a left.

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[Pagan]

Ah, but that's precisely my point. It's *not* an unsafe turn if you were stopped further up the road.

Except that the person making the left turn was doing so in such a fashion as to wind up in the lane going the other direction.