Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

SC offers to share his racist thoughts about "those people" with me (longish post)

Collapse
This topic is closed.
X
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • SC offers to share his racist thoughts about "those people" with me (longish post)

    As I've mentioned before, one of my two jobs is for a national shipping company. I work right in the center of my town. We usually get the snobby University of Delaware children coming in, but every so often we get a visit from a different sort of SC entirely.

    I was working Friday afternoon at the counter when in comes this guy who looks to be in his early fifties: leather biker jacket, scraggly beard, various affiliation patches on said jacket, longish graying brown hair, and cane. He brought with him a laptop that he wanted to ship back to the manufacturer (a computer company with a Japanese name). So I begin to ask him the usual questions that we are meant to ask when someone brings in something that they want to ship (i.e., Have you ever shipped from here before? When would you like it to get there? etc, etc), and he hands me a slip of paper with return to shipper information on it. Then, out of the blue, he looks at me, and, in a confiding-from-one-old-hand-to-another tone of voice says, "Man, you don't want to know what I've been through with this piece of sh*t. I'm 'bout to lose my mind, talking on the phone all day long with those people. You know, the gooks."


    I looked at him a bit stunned, and feeling as though I must have misheard him. "Excuse me?," I said, "what did you say?"

    And he repeated it. Louder. Totally unashamed of his racism. Unashamed-and-almost-leaning-into-proud-of-it-territory. I immediately excused myself from his presence to go in the back room for a second or two to calm down, as this royally pissed me off. One of my bosses (the place is owned by two guys) sort of took over part of the transaction while I calmed down. And he (my boss) was just all smiles and chatty with the guy!

    When the guy had left, several minutes later (after much very friendly small talk between him and my bosses and the packing up of his laptop) I asked my boss if I could talk with him for a moment. I wanted him to know that the reason for what probably seemed like a very abrupt change in my demeanor was because of how very offended I was by what the racist old asshat said. He looked at me a bit skeptically, and then proceeded to tell me that if I was going to be so sensitive to things like that, then I was probably not going to be real happy at work there because "we all joke around like that all the time - you're gonna hear way worse from us all the time."

    Needless to say, maybe, but this upset my applecart even more and my whole "game" and mentality was off for most of the rest of my afternoon.

    I didn’t even realize people even still used that horrid expression. But the very fact that the asshat grizzled customer thought I should be sympathetic to it was nauseating. I wanted to vomit.

    On top of all that I'm now feeling ashamed that I was so afraid of potentially angering my boss that I didn’t stand up for what was right when the moment presented itself to me. Was I wrong to excuse myself in such a neutral fashion? I mean, I excused myself from his presence exactly one beat away from when he said what he said, so, I imagine he might have possibly had an inkling of some kind that he had just said something wrong. But I really feel low that I didn’t say, “You know what? What you just said was very offensive and I’m going to excuse myself now - perhaps someone else here can help you.” Is it all a matter of picking your battles when you can?

    I find myself now hoping that there is a one-in-a-million chance I’ll run into that guy on the street in the next few days. Hoping that, maybe at the bus stop, or in the lobby of the supermarket, he’ll see me, remember me, and strike up a conversation. Hoping that when that happens, I’ll open my mouth instead of fearfully clamming shut and tell him what I really think of his racist attitudes.
    Herewith, a nugget of wisdom from the very wise Mike Brady: "Alone, we can only move buckets. But if we work together, we can drain rivers."

    --
    mannabozo.wordpress.com

  • #2
    Quoth HowMayIHelpMe? View Post
    Was I wrong to excuse myself in such a neutral fashion?
    I think you were a little too shocked to think of an appropriate thing to say, and did what would do the least amount of damage. I've been in that position, too; you have my sympathy.

    It is disgusting that people in this day and age still think it's acceptable to refer to others with bigoted terms. IIRC, the polite response to that is a stony look and a cold, "I beg your pardon?" Anyone with two functioning brain cells to rub together would then figure that his remark was inappropriate. Then again, if your boss and clientele think that way, I doubt they have two functioning brain cells between them!
    I don't have an attitude problem. You have a perception problem.
    My LiveJournal
    A page we can all agree with!

    Comment


    • #3
      Quoth HowMayIHelpMe? View Post
      {My Boss} looked at me a bit skeptically, and then proceeded to tell me that if I was going to be so sensitive to things like that, then I was probably not going to be real happy at work there because "we all joke around like that all the time - you're gonna hear way worse from us all the time."
      You said these two guys own the store you work at - but are they held accountable to corporate? I'd be documenting anything and everything and going over their heads to HR because that is just not acceptable in the workplace in this day and age.

      Comment


      • #4
        I know exactly how the OP feels. I was working Drive Thru one day and a guy pulled up and asked if I want to hear a joke. Then proceeds to say (without waiting for an answer) '(Arab Slurs) are proof that (Asian Slurs) and Chimpanzees can breed.' I was floored. He looks at me and says 'c'mon that was funny'. I said thhrough clenched teeth 'No sir it was not.' took his cash and then told my manager I needed time off from the window, spent the next five minutes in the freezer just screaming in rage.

        Comment


        • #5
          One of the contributing factor of me getting 'let go' by Wonderbitch was I told them i wasn't comfortable with how they made fun of how asians talked(revealing I was half asian).

          Comment


          • #6
            I would be more angry at my boss then at the customer. Because the customer does not deny being a racist at all. Your boss on the other had sees nothing wrong with what he said. You are not being oversensitive. We need everyone in this country to be as sensitive about other people as you are. That is what is wrong with this world people think its ok to judge people based on religion, sex, color, etc.... I would defiantly talk to someone higher up or talk to your boss again. What is he going to do fire you, because you do not tolerant other people's ignorant comments? If he does it will make a great news story. "Employee fired because they felt it was wrong to make a racial slur."

            Comment


            • #7
              That reminds me of a couple of uncomfortable situations I was placed in. I work in a handbag store, and we also sell men's organisers AKA man bags... A few customers have came in and asked for 'poofter' bags. Should I have said something about it? Would it even help if we address sc's stupidity and ignorance? I'm still fuming about it now!

              Comment


              • #8
                I am proud of growing up in a home that didn't tolerate racism in any form no matter what so i am not sure what 'gook' means or who it horribly applies to

                Comment


                • #9
                  Quoth XCashier View Post
                  It is disgusting that people in this day and age still think it's acceptable to refer to others with bigoted terms.
                  I still can't believe that either. You'd think people would realize that it's 2007, and things like that shouldn't be tolerated
                  Aerodynamics are for people who can't build engines. --Enzo Ferrari

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Quoth HowMayIHelpMe? View Post
                    But I really feel low that I didn’t say, “You know what? What you just said was very offensive and I’m going to excuse myself now - perhaps someone else here can help you.” Is it all a matter of picking your battles when you can?

                    I find myself now hoping that there is a one-in-a-million chance I’ll run into that guy on the street in the next few days. Hoping that, maybe at the bus stop, or in the lobby of the supermarket, he’ll see me, remember me, and strike up a conversation. Hoping that when that happens, I’ll open my mouth instead of fearfully clamming shut and tell him what I really think of his racist attitudes.
                    Really, don't feel bad about what happened.

                    Here's a story: a year or two ago, I was on a bus when the guy next to me started trying to start up a conversation about Polish immigrants, how they ruin British culture with their funny language and steal our jobs, all the usual stereotypes, blah blah blah. (The best part? Earlier he'd been talking to another passenger about how he had been in the police for years and now he was retiring early and was going to move to Australia and not pay taxes any more. ) Anyway, I was in a filthy mood that day anyway, so I argued. I told him to STFU, that I wasn't interested in his nasty, offensive, hypocritical views, rah rah rah. And he argued back. He got really nasty, calling me all sorts of horrible names and shouting me down, and saying he couldn't possibly be a racist because his wife's cousin's husband's grandparents had died in Auschwitz, or something, and anyway I was a f***ing bitch and... you get the idea. Anyway, it was horrible.

                    But here's the thing. Me arguing with him clearly had no effect on his views, because he was a bigot and he liked being a bigot. And the end result was that he still got to have his rant about immigrants, and yell at a woman into the bargain. I came out of it feeling like crap, and he probably came out of it feeling smug, like he was right. If I hadn't argued with him I might have regretted it - but I regretted it when I did talk to him, too.

                    I guess what I'm saying is - you did the right thing in moving away from your SC, you can't change his views, and you don't need to feel you didn't do enough.

                    In terms of your workplace, though, I'd be wary of what your manager said. That's a situation where you can make a difference - by reporting inappropriate behaviour, language etc to corporate if you can, and by making it clear you won't stand for that kind of thing at work. Good luck.
                    Me non rogo, hic modo laboro.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Just three things:

                      1 There is no one in the world, anywhere, that is not a bigot in some fashion. Its an unfortunate part of being a human being, all we can do is strive to be better, less judgemental people, and to set a good example for those around us.

                      2 With terms like cracker, honky, and whitey being thrown in my direction (and I, for some reason, am expected to take it with a smile), while it being perfectly acceptable for the darker skinned races to refer to each other as "nigga", but obviously not me because my skin is "too white" (no matter my true ancestry, which is known to have a <forbidden word due to my skin color> in the woodpile), I don't see a ceasement of any racial or stereotypical terms being used in some form every day.

                      3 Remember in other threads how we talk about ignoring or giving people the dead eye for behavior we find unacceptable? That actually works in this situation. You don't even have to actively "infringe on anyone's freedom of speech" as has been thrown about randomly by generally sucky people.


                      What the hell is a poofter? I'm assuming a gay man (possibly the "receiver"?).

                      Ok, so that was 4.

                      Something my father is good at doing with stupid people and their questions/comments: "I'm not going to dignify that with an answer/reply."

                      /bows respectfully into the background before this thread goes into the danger zone
                      ...how do used tampons attract thieves? ---Sleepwalker

                      Chickens are Asexual!

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Once again, I am going to step into the danger zone, and say something that is potentially unpopular, maybe even incendiary, but something I feel has to be said. (Though I hope of course that you folks will understand that it is not my intention to be incendiary.)

                        To wit: You really should not be surprised by this attitude and behavior.

                        Does it suck? Yes. Is it wrong? Of course, yes.

                        But sadly, the fact is that kind of attitude and behavior is not only not extinct, it is not even all that uncommon. Worse yet is the fact that in many work environments, you ARE going to hear inappropriate comments, jokes, remarks, views and diatribes. Out of work too.

                        While you are right to be offended and put off by it, I find it hard to believe that that many people are really all that surprised or shocked by it anymore, unless you are very young.

                        People still say unintentionally inappropriate things.
                        People still say INTENTIONALLY inapporpriate things.
                        People still have racist bigoted attitudes.

                        While it is good to be upset by this, there are times when it is pragmatic to ignore it. Because if you blow a gasket and end up leaving a job (whether quitting or being fired) over such a thing, you may end up in another job where the same thing is going on....and if you leave THAT job for the same reason (again, whether by your choice or the employer's), it is going to start to look bad on your resume.

                        Sadly, very sadly, there are times where we need to bite the bullet and not react to such things. Or, as one much wiser than I will ever be once said, "turn the other cheek."

                        Just a thought. For, as much as I would like to live as idealistically as I think, I feel it would be foolish to attempt to do so. Feel free to hate me at will for this dose of realism that I thought was necessary to add to this discussion.
                        Last edited by Jester; 04-10-2007, 01:05 AM.

                        "The Customer Is Always Right...But The Bartender Decides Who Is
                        Still A Customer."

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Speaking as someone who knows someone who's half-Chinese, and has personally been the butt of racial slurs, I agree with Jester.

                          Thing about words is they only hurt you if you let them. Do not rise to a fool's challenge just to become a fool yourself.
                          Happiness is the exercise of vital powers along lines of excellence in a life affording you scope.

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Quoth habitofbeingright View Post
                            I am proud of growing up in a home that didn't tolerate racism in any form no matter what so i am not sure what 'gook' means or who it horribly applies to
                            I think Elisabeth Cho would answer something like this.
                            "I was like, CHINK? Excuse me, Chinks are Chinese, I'm Korean, I'm a Gook, allright? If you gotta be racist, learn the terminology. Get like, a redneck to english dictionnary."

                            I actually use that last line at work, mentally, adapted for my needs.

                            "Get like, a retard to english dictionnary!"
                            Now would be a good time to visit So Very Unofficial!

                            "I've had so many nasty customers this week, my bottomless pit is now ankle-deep."-Me.

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Hokay, from the top...

                              You handled the customer perfectly. He's an asshat, but he didn't come in there looking for advice on his asshat views, and giving him your opinion is not part of your job.

                              Your bosses are another matter entirely. Ask yourself, "How badly do I need this job? How readily can I swallow the bile that this sort of BS brings up?" It's a different answer for everyone, and you are accountable to no one but the man in the mirror for what you decide.

                              If you DO decide that the job isn't worth the situation you're in, you should procede with deliberation:

                              0: You've sort-of already done this, but you should note in a journal (even one you keep on your computer) everything that happened--the full details of the conversation, your bosses' attitude and comments, etc. Dates and names will be your friend in the future. (Even if you aren't planning on taking action, this isn't a bad idea--in case you change your mind because of something more egregious). You should also keep a record of any situations where you feel your boss is acting inappropriately (say, singling you out for a reprimand in a situation that is not your fault). Keep a record of your performance reviews, if any, as well.

                              1: Don't bring it up again immediately (the moment has passed), but if more remarks are made in your presence, calmly state once again that you don't think they are appropriate in the workplace. Be polite and civil; you will lose if you lose your temper. The conversation at this point should be with whoever is the most senior person on-site. Don't use the trigger words (lawyer, law, etc) just yet. Again, note down EVERYTHING after the fact.

                              2: If there is still no correction, or if you are punished for speaking out, your next step depends on the company's structure:

                              A: If the company has a corporate oversight of some sort, then you should contact them, and inform them of everything. Explain that you would like to give them the opportunity to do the right thing. Again, keep a record of everything--your contact with the head office should be via email, or in writing.

                              B: If your bosses answer to no one, or if the higher-ups take no action, it's time to go to the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. The specific wording you're looking for is "hostile work environment".

                              You may not win; even if you do, it may take a long time to get even a general finding against them. And you can pretty much write off working there, even if you do win (sooner or later, a pretext for firing you will arise). It's a hard road, with no guaranteed pay-off. However, I can almost guarantee that if you take it, you'll never have to feel that shame you've described.

                              Comment

                              Working...