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  • #46
    Many years ago, I recall seeing an ad that said "Our bar scotch is Cutty Sark", implying that they were fairly high-end. I assume that "bar <whatever>" is the same as "well <whatever>".

    In that thread, douchebag's friend wanted to use his token for a Captain Morgan, but CM wasn't the "well" rum. It's my understanding that CM is one of the less expensive rums - what is the "well" rum at The Bar?
    Any fool can piss on the floor. It takes a talented SC to shit on the ceiling.

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    • #47
      Quoth chikenlady View Post
      What's a "well" drink. (Other thread) ?
      And the impetus behind the nomenclature:

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      • #48
        Quoth NecessaryCatharsis View Post
        'Well' drinks are mixed drinks, or occasionally shots, made with less expensive brands. The price you see on the menu for rum and coke? The well rum, the cheap(er) stuff. If you specify a brand you like when you order the price probably just went up.
        Some places call them "rail" drinks.
        "I don't have to be petty. The Universe does that for me."

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        • #49
          I think in Aus they're referred to as "house" brands, especially where wine is concerned.

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          • #50
            Quoth wolfie View Post
            A professional bartender or waitstaff would probably try to upsell - asking the customer if they'd like to see a list of available "mocktails" (i.e. fancy drinks with no alcohol).

            I don't drink alcohol, for several of the reasons mentioned in this thread. For one thing, I seem to have little to no tolerance for the stuff, besides what it does to my stomach.

            So back in '03, when I was still single, some of my cow-orkers used to go out on alternate Thursday nights to a bar, to celebrate getting paid. I went with them maybe three times, which would be the only three times in my life I ever went to a bar and ordered a drink.

            First time I asked the bartender for a non-alcoholic beer. She actually closed the bar, went next door to the bodega, and came back with a six-pack of Coors Cutter (or O'Doul's, something like that. I don't remember.) I had one bottle of the stuff, and my cow-orkers noticed that I was getting just the least bit tipsy on it (there's actually 0.5% alcohol in there). Impressed them with my capacity, or lack thereof. Good thing I wasn't driving that night.

            The next time, she didn't have any left and was too busy to go out for more. I asked her what she could come up with instead; turned out to be cranberry juice cocktail and ginger ale in a martini glass. Looked impressive, tasted like soda, left my head functional. The third time I had tonic water and orange juice, which I came up with on my own.

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            • #51
              Quoth Shalom View Post
              I asked her what she could come up with instead; turned out to be cranberry juice cocktail and ginger ale in a martini glass. Looked impressive, tasted like soda, left my head functional.
              Sounds pretty tasty, actually. I'm surprised the bar didn't have a selection of mocktails for non-drinkers.
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              • #52
                Quoth wolfie View Post
                Many years ago, I recall seeing an ad that said "Our bar scotch is Cutty Sark", implying that they were fairly high-end.
                Cutty Sark is not at all high end, though it is a brand with name recognition. There are cheap no name scotches out there, to be sure. But Cutty Sark was popular many years ago, and fell out of favor with scotch drinkers in general and younger scotch drinkers in particular a long time ago. It is not, as I said, at all high end.

                "Then why the sign?" you're wondering? Simple: marketing. The liquor company or their distributor will often supply such items for bars, especially if said bars are willing to change their well liquor to one of the company's brands, in this case Cutty Sark. It also gives the patrons the often false impression that the bar is doing something impressive by serving something "proudly" as their well. It is usually meaningless marketing bullshit that benefits the liquor company and the bar far more than it does the patron.

                Quoth wolfie View Post
                I assume that "bar <whatever>" is the same as "well <whatever>".
                Bar rum equals well rum equals house rum equals rail rum. Interchangeable phrases that all denote the same thing.

                Quoth wolfie View Post
                In that thread, douchebag's friend wanted to use his token for a Captain Morgan, but CM wasn't the "well" rum. It's my understanding that CM is one of the less expensive rums - what is the "well" rum at The Bar?
                There are plenty of inexpensive liquors that are not denoted as the well brand. Our well rum at the time was Bacardi, not Captain Morgan. Meaning if they were spice rum fans, they were not getting spice rum at happy hour prices. And I'll point out further that it was not that ALL Bacardi variations were available at happy hour prices, just the regular old Bacardi. (The clear one with the white label that reads "Bacardi Superior." (More marketing bullshit. It's just a basic white rum, and not even that great compared to many other white rums.) We have many Bacardi variations, but only the base one is considered well. Ditto other well liquors. (Bombay is the well gin and is available at happy hour prices, whereas Bombay Sapphire is not on either count.)

                This varies from bar to bar. Some places will run specials promoting certain brands, either at happy hour or other time. ("Half off all Three Olives flavored vodkas during happy hour!") Each establishment decides what specials it will run, and what the limitations and rules are for such.

                It is perfectly fine to ask about these things. ("Is Captain Morgan available for the special happy hour prices?")
                It is not acceptable to demand a bar caters to your tastes or whims. ("Bullshit! I want Captain at that price!")

                Quoth XCashier View Post
                Sounds pretty tasty, actually. I'm surprised the bar didn't have a selection of mocktails for non-drinkers.
                Some bars do. Most do not. Depends on the establishment, the market, the region, and the clientele. A dive bar will not generally offer such things. Places with a large family clientele would be more likely to. Many factors determine the practicality and profitability of designing such a mocktail menu. The vast majority of bars don't really have the demand to warrant it, though.

                "The Customer Is Always Right...But The Bartender Decides Who Is
                Still A Customer."

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                • #53
                  Quoth Jester View Post
                  (The clear one with the white label that reads "Bacardi Superior." (More marketing bullshit. It's just a basic white rum, and not even that great compared to many other white rums.)
                  Slightly off topic question Jester: Your suggestion for a "good" white rum (preferably easy to get in the UK)?
                  I am so SO glad I was not present for this. There would have been an unpleasant duct tape incident. - Joi

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                  • #54
                    Quoth Jester View Post
                    A dive bar will not generally offer such things. Places with a large family clientele would be more likely to. Many factors determine the practicality and profitability of designing such a mocktail menu. The vast majority of bars don't really have the demand to warrant it, though.
                    My guess is that one of the factors is: can a given mocktail be made using stuff the bar already has on hand? Never been to a dive bar, but my understanding is that they generally serve beer, and mixed drinks where someone with no bartending experience can figure out the recipe from the name (e.g. "rum and coke", "scotch and soda", "gin and tonic", etc.), so the only non-alcoholic drinks they could offer would be your basic soft drinks. A place that serves fancier mixed drinks has more options - for example, if they have a basic selection of soft drinks, and at least one of the mixed drinks they offer uses grenadine, they can offer a Roy Rogers and a Shirley Temple on their mocktail menu.
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                    • #55
                      Quoth Gizmo View Post
                      Slightly off topic question Jester: Your suggestion for a "good" white rum (preferably easy to get in the UK)?
                      I have no idea what rums would or would not be easy to get in the UK. What will you be using said white rum for? I ask, because my little sister likes rum, and she happens to live in the UK, so I could bounce the question to her, and get back to you with the answer.

                      Quoth wolfie View Post
                      My guess is that one of the factors is: can a given mocktail be made using stuff the bar already has on hand? Never been to a dive bar, but my understanding is that they generally serve beer, and mixed drinks where someone with no bartending experience can figure out the recipe from the name (e.g. "rum and coke", "scotch and soda", "gin and tonic", etc.), so the only non-alcoholic drinks they could offer would be your basic soft drinks.
                      Even dive bars, if they have a full liquor license (i.e., not just beer and wine), will have juices for basic drinks like vodka and cranberry, rum and OJ, etc. You mix the three basic bar juices (OJ, pineapple, and cranberry) together, or use two of them, and you have an instant fruit punch. Easiest mocktail to make besides Shirley Temples and Roy Rogers.

                      "The Customer Is Always Right...But The Bartender Decides Who Is
                      Still A Customer."

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                      • #56
                        Quoth Jester View Post
                        I have no idea what rums would or would not be easy to get in the UK. What will you be using said white rum for? I ask, because my little sister likes rum, and she happens to live in the UK, so I could bounce the question to her, and get back to you with the answer.
                        Standard coke mixer. Yeah I know, doesn't have to be "good" to be with coke.... but hey, I prefer decent stuff.
                        I am so SO glad I was not present for this. There would have been an unpleasant duct tape incident. - Joi

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                        • #57
                          Okay, the sister thing didn't pan out. She is only familiar with the standard rums, i.e., Captain, Bacardi, Malibu, etc.

                          So do me a favor and the next time you're in the liquor store, note what rums they have, and PM me the list, and I'll tell you which ones I think are worth bothering with.

                          "The Customer Is Always Right...But The Bartender Decides Who Is
                          Still A Customer."

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                          • #58
                            Quoth Jester View Post
                            Okay, the sister thing didn't pan out. She is only familiar with the standard rums, i.e., Captain, Bacardi, Malibu, etc.

                            So do me a favor and the next time you're in the liquor store, note what rums they have, and PM me the list, and I'll tell you which ones I think are worth bothering with.
                            Thanks.
                            I am so SO glad I was not present for this. There would have been an unpleasant duct tape incident. - Joi

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                            • #59
                              Quoth Jester View Post
                              I have no idea what rums would or would not be easy to get in the UK. What will you be using said white rum for? I ask, because my little sister likes rum, and she happens to live in the UK, so I could bounce the question to her, and get back to you with the answer.
                              [Trivia]
                              Speaking of rum in the UK, I just read a book about spies in WW2 (Double Cross). In the book it is mentioned that a popular drink at that time and place was a Bronx. Traditionally made with gin, apparently in WW2 gin was hard to come by in England so they made it with rum.
                              [/Trivia]
                              "I don't have to be petty. The Universe does that for me."

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                              • #60
                                More proof to what I always say: any drink can be made better with rum.
                                Last edited by Jester; 05-19-2014, 02:53 AM.

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