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  • That's NOT what "New" means...

    I really wouldn't think that, when it comes to consumer products, the concept of "New" should be that hard to understand. Put simply: If something is still factory sealed in the box it came in, it's New. If it's anything OTHER than that, it's used.

    It may be hardly used, gently used, lightly used or even my personal favourite
    "Like-new", but it's NOT brand spanking New!

    Where am I going with this? Well it seems like weekly, hell almost daily I get these SCs on the phone absolutely SCREECHING because <red checkmark> has the audacity to replace their "new" phone with a warranty replacement that is not New. Oh it's tested and guaranteed by the manufacturer and looks for all the world like a new phone, but it's actually not. (sidenote: generally speaking the replacements we send are pretty reliable).

    Now you might think the SCs have an argument here BUT if they do it's illogical.

    - A phone you've had for a year is not new
    - A phone you've had for four months is not new
    - A phone you've had for one month is not new

    However you look at it, if you have used a phone at all since you bought it, then it's not new. That's what it's called a "like for like" replacement not a "like for new" replacement. If we send you a new phone in place of the device you've had for a year, we're effectively giving ourselves the short end of the stick, since you get a new device and we get a used one (hence, lower resale value).

    Besides, it's not like I set these policies, the manufacturer does. You want to get pissed off about not getting a brand new in the box phone for your warranty claim? Scream at them. My hands are tied.

    It's even funnier when they say they will just use their insurance so they can get a new phone. Not only does the Insurance company NOT send new phones, they use 3rd party parts to repair the phones they do get, so you're much WORSE off with them than with us!

    And this doesn't just happen with phones, I remember many a time at "Gamestore" when people would get furious with me for only offering $25 trade credit for their "New" game. Now I agree "Gamestore" credit offers are typically low, but come on, if you picked up the game on release day, brought it home, beat it and brought it back to trade three days later guess what? It's NOT NEW! It may look perfect, no scratches at all, but if you took out of the packaging and played it? NOT NEW!
    "If we refund your money, give you a free replacement and shoot the manager, then will you be happy?" - sign seen in a restaurant

  • #2
    Once in a while we purchase used computers. (usually just laptops)

    We've gotten a couple of calls from people wanting to sell their old desktops.

    "It's only a couple of years old." - then find out it's an eMachine Windows XP system that's 8 years old.

    Yeah, that's not a couple of years old. I must admit - I get a sadistic glee out of telling someone their computer is worthless but we'll recycle it for free. I don't know how much they thought they'd get - I have to remember to ask up front next time.

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    • #3
      I don't know how much they thought they'd get - I have to remember to ask up front next time.
      I can guess. About 75% of what they paid for it. People are completely unrealistic. Just check pricing on houses.
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      • #4
        Well, houses can go up in value. Consumer electronics and 99% of everything else people buy, not so much. A house identical to mine, just a couple streets away, sold a few months ago for ~20% more than I paid for mine.
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        • #5
          Quoth MoonCat View Post
          I can guess. About 75% of what they paid for it. People are completely unrealistic. Just check pricing on houses.
          At least houses CAN appreciate, depending on market conditions. It's simply impossible that an old computer is worth anything.
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          • #6
            As some found out, houses don't always go up in value. If the factory in town closes, the one where everyone was employed, you may find that a house in a town where there are few jobs is worth less than it was 10 years ago.

            I've always had good luck buying reconditioned, and letting someone else take the hit on depreciation.

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            • #7
              The difference between electronics and a house (well, real estate) is that while new computers get made every day, property does not. A year from now a better computer will be available, but if I really want to live in say midtown in Reno, well, there is only so much around midtown and I have to be willing to pay more than everyone else who wants to live in the same area... typically, at least in cities, this has caused prices to go up, because as cities grow, people prefer the existing neighborhoods close to where everything is to having to live in the middle of nowhere at the edge of town... this of course does not help if you are in the small town that everyone is moving out of to go to the city.
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              • #8
                Quoth mhkohne View Post
                At least houses CAN appreciate, depending on market conditions. It's simply impossible that an old computer is worth anything.
                well a really old computer from the 80s could be seen as a collectors item and worth something.

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                • #9
                  Quoth mhkohne View Post
                  At least houses CAN appreciate, depending on market conditions. It's simply impossible that an old computer is worth anything.
                  Actually, if it's old enough the prices will go back up.

                  One "odd" example is the TRS-80 Model 100. It was the first successful "notebook" computer. They *still* go for $50 or more on ebay. They are just too useful for a lot of things. One guy who buys a lot of them that way uses them as cheap terminals to hook to test equipment.

                  So they maintain some value because they are still *useful* in a way that most older systems aren't.

                  The rest of the "price has gone up" computers are generally ones that have edged into "collector's item" status.

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                  • #10
                    I think the point is that many sellers are unrealistic about how much their house is worth. They think since they've owned it for X amount of years, that it is now worth 10 times more. I bet this is especially true if someone has owned their house since before the housing bust (or whatever the official title is), because they weren't personally in the midst of it, seeing really great houses go for way less than they should have. Of course, it's completely dependent on the area whether a price is unrealistic or not. Uh, yeah, I'm speaking as someone who lived in a house which was for sale for a year and a half during the really bad part in this area.

                    Anyway, people don't have realistic expectations about technology. Sometimes it's the older generation, who buy something and expect it to last. That works for lots of things! Homes, cars, furniture, etc. Not so much for phones. I don't know if younger people see tech in the same way. I guess I don't want to give up my old Kindle. No back light, the white isn't as white as the new ones, but I don't care. Though, if anyone has tips on how to clean the corners I'd like to hear them.
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                    • #11
                      Quoth Sliceanddice View Post
                      well a really old computer from the 80s could be seen as a collectors item and worth something.
                      An article from last year:
                      http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB100014...67683061946954

                      But last time I had checked, before reading that article, there were only a handful of old computers actually worth anything; either due to some uniqueness or a brand name (e.g. non-mass produced Apples, because of their recent success); but most are a pile of obsolete electronic material.
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                      • #12
                        Quoth MrSmiley View Post
                        An article from last year:
                        http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB100014...67683061946954

                        But last time I had checked, before reading that article, there were only a handful of old computers actually worth anything; either due to some uniqueness or a brand name (e.g. non-mass produced Apples, because of their recent success); but most are a pile of obsolete electronic material.
                        Couldn't read the article due to subscription requirements, but I'd say you're mostly correct. I collect old computers, and only have a few which are worth any significant amount of money (particularly the Apple Lisa and Commodore SX-64). However, there are some oddities out there. There are some which were produced in decent quantities, but have a big collector following for whatever reason (the original Apple II falls into this category). Then there are ones which failed miserably and didn't sell terribly many units, yet aren't worth as much as you'd think they might be (the Mattel Aquarius falls into this category). The truly mass-produced ones (Apple IIe, Commodore 64, TRS-80 Color Computer, etc.) might not be worth a significant amount, but there's still a fair amount of value in them due to nostalgia.
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                        Last edited by AdamAnt316; 11-30-2015, 02:26 AM.
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                        • #13
                          A fully working C64 with all the trimmings is still quite sought-after in certain (albeit limited) communities. There's quite a lot of hacker cred associated with making one of those do tricks.

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                          • #14
                            My husband once made a TRS-80 tapdance topless on the fridge.

                            (pair of tap shoes, pair of motors, making drivers for the motors...)
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                            1. Would you rather be right, or get the result you want?
                            2. If you're consistently getting results you don't want, change what you do.
                            3. Deal with the situation you have now, however it occurred.
                            4. Accept the consequences of your decisions.

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                            • #15
                              Quoth Seshat View Post
                              My husband once made a TRS-80 tapdance topless on the fridge.

                              (pair of tap shoes, pair of motors, making drivers for the motors...)
                              Cool! The neatest thing I ever did with my Color Computer 2 was getting it to play music cassettes through the TV's speaker while I typed in crude BASIC programs. I also have an example of the "Audio Spectrum Analyzer" cartridge, which (along with a CoCo 2 strapped to Robert Carradine's "Devo suit") was seen in the movie Revenge of the Nerds.
                              -Adam
                              Goofy music!
                              Old tech junk!

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