Greetings from iPhone Hell (European Edition)

[Andara Bledin]

(i was mad cause they gave me a pda phone as a replacement and later on told me that it wasnt covered under the insurance plan this among other things made me a sc)

I don't know what you did, but if I received a replacement phone different from my original and learned after-the-fact that it wasn't covered by insurance, I'd be pissed.

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[queenbb]

my phone was under warranty. actually i have been through 9 replacement phones in the last year and a half, and 4 different models. (hence the reason i was a sc. i wanted them to give me a new phone because they were sending me replacement phones that were referbished and not working properly)

they told me the pda phone i had wasnt under insurance at that time for an unrelated question. i got madder cause i had been paying the insurance for that phone for a few months (i had been through 2 of them at that point) i asked them if i could be reimbursed for all of the time i had on that phone, they said they would let me keep the insurance on there and when if something happend they would stop the insurance at the time. the whole time im thinking wtf why would you tell me that. i would probably have trouble getting them to cover the insrance if that were the case. but i didnt need it, and when i turned in that phone they offered me another model for replacement which was a normal phone so i kept it on. (i had to return that one 2 times too.)

[Casino Jockey]

i brought an iphone the other night, and is currently winging it's way all the way from LA to my house here in melbourne, australia and i can tell you when i get that baby there is no way in hell i'll be pulling it out on public transport.

[Gurndigarn]

If it makes sense it's not allowed.

Normally I would say that. But we're talking about Steve Jobs here. Whether you like him and his company's products or not, you have to admit that he doesn't run shows the way most corporations do, and he's got a real good knack for spotting opportunities and how to play people. So I'm wondering if there was some essential part of the business that I missed.

[Andara Bledin]

I'm fairly positive that the exclusive thing with the iPhone has some basis other than just an artificial scarcity. Apple is pretty big on getting their product to as many people as possible.

I suspect it has more to do with network connectivity, design, and security than anything else.

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[Knifeman]

I'm fairly positive that the exclusive thing with the iPhone has some basis other than just an artificial scarcity. Apple is pretty big on getting their product to as many people as possible.

I suspect it has more to do with network connectivity, design, and security than anything else.

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Umm, wrong.

the Iphone can be made to work with any other network. And such mods could have just as easily been made right in the initial design stages.

Apple's been pretty big on providing expensive toys for three times what the hardware should be worth, just because they slap it in a white case with an apple logo on it.

Which is beside the point, because Apple's nearly out of the hardware market and the only thing they're truely going to be providing anymore is an antiquated look and feel for the least secure commercial OS on the market.

[Geek King]

Which is beside the point, because Apple's nearly out of the hardware market and the only thing they're truely going to be providing anymore is an antiquated look and feel for the least secure commercial OS on the market.

Nah, MacOS is pefectly safe. No one wants to be laughed out of the hacker black-sites for being the person who wrote the great Mac virus.

[Broomjockey]

Nah, MacOS is pefectly safe. No one wants to be laughed out of the hacker black-sites for being the person who wrote the great Mac virus.

See, that's the trick now. Is MacOS really safe? Or is it only safe because no one's bother to do anything to it? Eh, either way, it'll probably have a place for quite a while. I don't see Apple abandoning their computer division any time soon.

[Dreamstalker]

I suspect it has more to do with network connectivity, design, and security than anything else.

Eh, it uses the EDGE network which I'm none too impressed with. All I ever use my phone's web capability for is local weather and maps...when the pages load properly. My dad's Sprint PDA has faster data transfer.

[Knifeman]

See, that's the trick now. Is MacOS really safe? Or is it only safe because no one's bother to do anything to it? Eh, either way, it'll probably have a place for quite a while. I don't see Apple abandoning their computer division any time soon.

MacOS isn't really safe.

Imagine a country in the middle of nowhere with no real wealth, nothing worth stealing, everyone can leave their doors unlocked.

Now imagine a country that constantly gets attacked and has a budget to do something about it.

Which one will have better defenses?

At a tech conference, there was a contest: There were two Mac laptops with OSX on them. Whoever could remotely hack into them wins the laptop.

Before the day was done, both laptops were won by two separate people.

Also, compare the average time between a vulnerability found and then patched in Windows vs OSX.

The average for Windows is 23 days.

Mac? 67 days.

And the Iphone was hacked within a week of being released, and that runs a version of OSX as well.

EDIT: Besides, With Bootcamp and switching to an Intel processor, Apple's saying they aren't a hardware manufacturer anymore when it comes to personal computers.
(when it comes to MP3 players, I have a Zen from Creative. Buy a media player from a company that builds sound based hardware for years).

When it comes to impressive proprietary hardware, Microsoft has Apple beat anyways. Do a google search on "Microsoft Surface" and you'll see what I mean.

Iphone? PFFT.

[Geek King]

See, that's the trick now. Is MacOS really safe? Or is it only safe because no one's bother to do anything to it? Eh, either way, it'll probably have a place for quite a while. I don't see Apple abandoning their computer division any time soon.

Oh, I know it's not safe. One of my buddies is a "White Hat" hacker (well, white hat now that he gets paid to do it, that is. ), and frankly quite brilliant. He proved to me that he could break into a networked Mac and get into the area to change the admin password in five minutes flat. All it takes is the right tools.

[ArenaBoy]

When it comes to impressive proprietary hardware, Microsoft has Apple beat anyways. Do a google search on "Microsoft Surface" and you'll see what I mean.

A few things: 1. The vast majority of people are still computer clueless and technologically impaired. It will take the next or current generation to get past that.

2. I looked through and seeing as it turns out to be a computer in itself there is a number of things that can go wrong: One of them being people spilling drinks into the machine. I've never seen the machine in person but there is that possibility. There is also the matter of fixing it.

3. When will it be presented to the mass consumer market? There could be many uses for other groups but the cost of that thing has got to be sky-high when it comes out.

It looks impressive but I tend to be distrusting of MS products.

[Andara Bledin]

Also, compare the average time between a vulnerability found and then patched in Windows vs OSX.

The average for Windows is 23 days.

Mac? 67 days.

I want supporting data. Otherwise, this is FUD.

Plus, is this "vulnerability found" or "vulnarability announced"?

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[Mark Healey]

But we're talking about Steve Jobs here... and how to play people.

That's exactly what Apple does. Make no mistake about it, their products are good but they're not all that. Now day a Mac is just a PC running BSD. Their marketing is brilliant and has been since 1984.

Their also huge control freaks. The latest rumor has it that they plan to include software that bricks iPhones that have been unlocked whenever a user updates.

[yomiko]

I want supporting data. Otherwise, this is FUD.

Plus, is this "vulnerability found" or "vulnarability announced"?

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Here are some details Andara

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/windows/s...-os-246447.php

Also. I know that someone once decided to reveal a OSX bug a day for 30 days. He did the first few on time, but I wasn't following closely and don't know the end result of that project.