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    August is hell in Financial Aid. Not only are we up to our ears in paperwork, but we have endless lines of students coming in last minute to apply.

    My Name is What

    This peach of a woman applied for a loan and was denied by yours truly. I have the right to deny a loan to a student that I feel is not eligible. My spineless boss (more on that later) said to give her the loan. K. I start going through the paper work and can't help but worry about the future of humanity. This all took place over about a week.

    This woman's legal name is First Maiden-Married. She signs it First Maiden-Married, but when asked to write 'last name, first name' she writes it Married-Maiden, First. Naturally, the legally-binding document that is crucial to getting her loan has the two names on it (IE gonna cause a lot of problems with the loan). I send her letters, saying we need the corrected name, even track her down and have her fill out a new one. The new form she did was the same problem. She had Married-Maiden, First, and signed it as First Maiden-Married. I have her correct it, so she signs it First Married-Maiden instead of fixing the problem. *Facepalm* I finally get her to sit down, and am forced to dictate to her HOW TO SIGN HER OWN NAME! WTF?!

    If I Play Helpless, Will You Do It For Me?

    The answer is, no.
    My boss is very customer service oriented, and one of her projects was to set up a 'Student Center' (two dinky computers set aside) so the staff can help students fill out online financial aid forms. Most students will sit down and stare at either you or the monitor. When you avoid eye contact, they have to actually ask, "What do I put?" The first couple pages of the lovely FAFSA are all student info, like name, SSN, address. If you don't know that info already, you are beyond help.

    Spineless Boss

    Boss-lady when on a rant today about how we shouldn't be turning students away just because the person they need isn't there, that we should have a back-up in case that person is gone, and we need to cross-train more people. Heaven forbid we should turn someone away because we don't know everyone else's job in the office and make our boss look bad.

    I don't know what reality she is living in. We are short-staffed as it is, and we have a freeze on all open positions because the college has no money. The staff that we do have is already stressed and over-worked. If the student had gone just about any place else and the person needed was gone, they would be told they were SOL, come back when they're here. That's life.
    "Stupidity isn't punishable by death. If it was, there would be a hell of a population drop."
    - Anita Blake, Vampire Hunter

  • #2
    I so feel for you, I was more than happy to get out the the financial aid department and into student accounts!

    You want to go to college ? You need to know how to fill out this simple paperwork!

    You can't handle this simple paperwork then you aren't college material.

    End of story!

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    • #3
      Quoth Bieshmahaw View Post
      I have the right to deny a loan to a student that I feel is not eligible.

      Um.
      Before I have a large problem with this, could you clarify what you mean by 'feel is not eligible'?
      I mean, you're going by a federal guideline or a state guideline that says "Person should not need this loan.", right? Not by your opinion that she makes too much money as a part of a married couple or something similar, right?

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      • #4
        Quoth BossLady View Post
        I so feel for you, I was more than happy to get out the the financial aid department and into student accounts!

        You want to go to college ? You need to know how to fill out this simple paperwork!

        You can't handle this simple paperwork then you aren't college material.

        End of story!
        I must say I agree with this. Though sometimes, there are things students don't understand.

        For example. There was a moment last year where I was in the middle of a lot of red tape about loans. At the same time i was supposed to be doing the tax papers for my student job with the University. I had never done this before. I'd always worked for corporations that did the paperwork.

        So I toddled my way to Student Accounts and asked about the only thing I didn't really understand on the form.

        Me= Hey, I don't know how much my tuition is. I have my bill here. But it's not itemized so i don't know what's fees, residence, and basic tuition. The form asked for my basic tuition. So i thought since you gave me the paper...
        Student Accounts Rep (Who I'm sure was really busy already)= You need to figure out your tuition on your own.
        Me= How?
        SAR= Once again, figure it out yourself.

        Luckily, some people in the Info office explained where I could find the break down of my tuition.

        As i said, I'm sure the SAR was really busy. AND I agree college students should be able to do paperwork, but... I could have used some help.
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        • #5
          Quoth BlackIronCrown View Post

          Um.
          Before I have a large problem with this, could you clarify what you mean by 'feel is not eligible'?
          I mean, you're going by a federal guideline or a state guideline that says "Person should not need this loan.", right? Not by your opinion that she makes too much money as a part of a married couple or something similar, right?
          No no no, they get denied by me if they have bad loan history (have defaulted or have taken out excessive amounts), poor academic history, or have financial aid grants that cover all tuition, fees, and books. We're a community college, tuition is the cheapest in the area, and most students get money back from their grants. The people who meet the above are more likely to not pay back their loans, hence the denial for more loans. Income doesn't factor into who I deny.
          "Stupidity isn't punishable by death. If it was, there would be a hell of a population drop."
          - Anita Blake, Vampire Hunter

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          • #6
            Quoth Bieshmahaw View Post
            She had Married-Maiden, First, and signed it as First Maiden-Married. I have her correct it, so she signs it First Married-Maiden instead of fixing the problem.
            And to think she got out of high school and into college. I fear for our species' future if she manages to get a degree.
            "Ignorance is no excuse for a law."
            .................................................. ..................- Alfred E. Newman

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            • #7
              The FAFSA is ridiculously easy to fill out....IF you have your information together. Before I filled out mine, I made sure I had, within reach:

              1) Driver's License (I can never remember my number, it's not my SSN)
              2) Federal Signature PIN (to electronically 'sign' the document)
              3) Last year's tax paperwork

              Sheesh. It's just fill in the blank, really, and 90% of the questions on it ("Are you a felon?" "Do you own a farm?" "Are you a veteran?") didn't even apply to me. It took less than 20 minutes.

              Good grief.
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              • #8
                First, I'm probably going to get yelled at, but I hate people who hyphenate their names. My belief is change it or don't. I didn't change mine. My MIL changed hers every time until her last marriage. When I was working retail, I would get so sick of women who hyphenated their married names, put them that way on their credit cards, but then signed their names differently. *Sorry, you have to resign the receipt to match the card. You were stupid enough chose to hyphenate Van Der Duganwilli and Balasubramanian.*


                Second, many college students, especially new ones, are intelligent but not smart. I think of smart as street smart/cunning/common sense. They're not mutually exclusive, but seem to be an extremely rare mutual occurence in many students.
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                • #9
                  Quoth Bieshmahaw View Post
                  August is hell in Financial Aid. Not only are we up to our ears in paperwork, but we have endless lines of students coming in last minute to apply.
                  I can only imagine what your hell is like. Four times over the past week I have tried to contact my financial aid office only to be on hold for 20, 30, 40 minutes before finallly giving up because my break and/or lunch was over and I had to get off the phone. I feel for you.


                  FAFSA


                  God, I hate filling those things out! It's easy - its just tedious.
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                  • #10
                    Quoth wagegoth View Post
                    First, I'm probably going to get yelled at, but I hate people who hyphenate their names. My belief is change it or don't.
                    While I agree with the sentiment, unfortunately there are some of us that can't help it. My mother decided she wanted her last name hyphenated and so therefore my last name is hyphenated.

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                    • #11
                      Quoth PhotoChick View Post
                      While I agree with the sentiment, unfortunately there are some of us that can't help it. My mother decided she wanted her last name hyphenated and so therefore my last name is hyphenated.
                      Not just situations like that, but there are some cultures where this is the norm. To hate people who do this is to hate an entire culture. And why would you choose that one thing to judge people with?
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                      • #12
                        Quoth wagegoth View Post
                        First, I'm probably going to get yelled at, but I hate people who hyphenate their names.
                        In my family, the girls tend to keep their maiden names, along with their married names. But it's never Hyphenated. The Girl's middle names are dropped and their maidens are kept.

                        Say my sister, Evil Queen, got married. Pretend her full name is Evil Little Queen. She gets married and her name changes to Evil Queen Bee. It used to be a way to keep a family name (and ties to a fortune) in the bloodline when the offspring are all girls or to combine two family fortunes.

                        Isn't that a hoot?
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                        • #13
                          Quoth Captain Trips View Post
                          Not just situations like that, but there are some cultures where this is the norm. To hate people who do this is to hate an entire culture. And why would you choose that one thing to judge people with?
                          If you referring to much of Latin America, they are not technically hyphenated. The children usually have both parents' paternal surnames with an "y" joining them, but when they have children their children have their parents' paternal surnames joined with an "y." The wives never actually change their names when they marry. However, the women I refer to are not part of that culture, and are simply doing something that was fashionable for a while.

                          And don't ever accuse me of hating an entire culture. I may hate aspects of many cultures, which I readily admit. But I don't hate people I don't know, in fact, there are few people I actually hate. It's a complete waste of energy. I will admit to not liking most people, but that's quite different.

                          Considering where I choose to live, I'd have a real fucking problem if I hated whole cultures.
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                          • #14
                            Quoth wagegoth View Post
                            My belief is change it or don't.
                            Another thing I've heard of people doing is picking a new name together. I think I like that one best.
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                            • #15
                              Fianacial aid at community colleges always baffled me. There seemed to be so many irrelevant factors that were being considered.
                              Once I turn 18, I am an adult and I have my own place, why does my parent's income have anything to do with financial aid? I don't live with them, they don't give me money. Hell I knew people that didn't talk to their parents, yet their finances were held against them.
                              Yeah, I am a bit bitter, I managed to pay my way, but a little help would have been nice. To be denied because my parents made too much bugged me.

                              I feel for you though. I submitted my stuff and got out early. I felt bad when I passed the aid office and saw lines wrapped around the building.
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