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    These stories go back to my 20s, in the days when I was working at a one hour photo lab. That was a long time ago, so I can't remember what was said exactly verbatim, but I ga-ron-tee that these stories truthfully convey the gist of the events as they occurred.

    First story concerns a Seeker of Truth.

    Me: me
    Seeker of Truth: SOT

    SOT: Hey, how long does it take to process pictures?
    Me: An hour. (duh, this is a one hour photo lab)
    SOT: No, how long does it REALLY take?
    Me: ...an hour?
    SOT: Come on, you could do it faster. How long?
    Me: Oh, you mean what is the minimum possible time? Well, the film processor takes 32 minutes, give or take a minute for shorter or longer rolls of film; it takes about a minute for an operator to print the pictures, and then the prints take another 16 minutes to process. So, 49 minutes.
    SOT: (winking) Come on, you could do it faster than that if you really wanted to.
    Me: No, 49 minutes is the minimum. It can't get any faster than that.
    SOT: Come ON, SURE it could. Just tell me.
    Me: No it can't. These are chemical processes, and each step needs a certain amount of time to complete.
    SOT: Are you trying to tell me that you couldn't run it through in say half an hour if you wanted to? Come on!
    Me: You know how it takes a certain amount of time to bake a cake, right? Do you think you could bake the cake in half the time just by turning up the oven?
    SOT: No, I know you could do it faster if you really wanted to! Don't shit me! How long? (grinning like a maniac this whole time as if we're sharing some demented secret)
    Me: No, we can't speed up the process any more than that, it would ruin the negatives.
    SOT: No it wouldn't! You could if you wanted, right? Just tell me the truth. (grin grin grin)

    This goes on for about ten more minutes as he tries every way he can think of to wheedle the "truth" out of me that one hour photo could be virtually instantaneous and that we apparently just sit around picking our butts for the other 59 minutes. Finally he gives up:

    SOT: Okay man, whatever. Sorry you couldn't tell me the truth! (leaves)
    Me: ...


    Second story concerns a Professional Amateur Photographer.

    A little background. The worst customers were amateurs who thought they were professionals, and the worst of those were the ones who thought buying professional gear and supplies is all it takes to make you a professional. They were always blaming us for their shortcomings. If the picture looks like crap, it's because we printed it wrong, not because you don't know how to use your fancy-pants automatic SLR.

    Technical background: Photo film and photo paper have a characteristic called "latitude," which is the range of tones available between the extremes of 100% unexposed to 100% exposed. In modern terms, think of it as being like the contrast range of an HDTV. Photo film, being transparent, has a wider latitude than photo paper, being opaque. Professional photo film has a wider latitude than consumer film. (Consumer film has a compressed latitude to make it more forgiving of exposure mistakes.) This is important to the story.

    Me: me
    Professional Amateur Photographer: PAP

    PAP brings us in about a dozen rolls of film, all Kodak professional color negative 35mm. We process the film and look at the negatives, which turn out to be pictures of a wedding and reception. PAP has made a classic amateur mistake; he has taken roll after roll of indoor flash shots of people standing close to the camera, with a huge banquet room behind them (i.e. no background close to the subjects). The camera's auto-exposure has tried to compensate, and the result is that all the subjects are completely washed out (overexposed) and the details of the room behind them are marginally visible on the negatives. I print them myself, and I do what I can with them, but because of the latitude difference explained earlier, I have to choose whether to print for the faces or the background. I choose the faces, using long print exposures to try to get some skin tone and detail. This makes the backgrounds go black, but this can't be helped.

    Later that afternoon, PAP comes to get his prints, and he Is. Not. Happy.

    PAP: Hey! There's a problem with these prints.
    Me: What's the trouble? (knowing full well what is coming)
    PAP: The backgrounds are all black.
    Me: Yeah, that'll happen, because (explains, as above).
    PAP: No, that's bullshit. I can see all the detail of the room behind the people in the negatives.
    Me: I'm sorry, but the paper latitude is less than the film latitude and I had to choose what to print for. I could print them again for the background if you want, but that'll make the faces wash out, and I don't think you'll be happy with them.
    PAP: Look. I brought you professional film, and I expect professional results.
    Me: Sir, I'm trying to explain. With these negatives I can't make you machine prints that look like you want. To fix them I'd have to give them to my custom printing tech, and she can print them by hand on an enlarger and "dodge" the backgrounds to lighten them up, but that's a manual process and it starts at $5 a print. There is no way to make a machine print that looks the way you're asking, from these negatives.
    PAP: (smiling tightly) Okay, I know when somebody's blowing smoke up my ass. I'll just take these to somewhere where they know what they're doing, like Walgreens, and get good prints made. (dripping sarcasm) Thank you. (grabs his prints and negatives and strides out.)

    You know how it is when you think of the right thing to say, just a moment too late? I was so mad at being called a liar by this guy that I basically locked up for a moment, and by the time I unfroze and thought of what to say next, he was gone. For 24 years I have been wishing I'd said:

    Me: Now hold on. I'll tell you what; I'll make you a deal. You take those negatives ANYWHERE, Walgreens or wherever else, and if you get machine prints that look like what you are asking for, I will personally pay for them out of my pocket.

    But I didn't. I just stood there paralyzed with contained fury.

    That customer never showed his face in the store again. I don't know if it was because he stayed mad, or because he eventually found out I was telling him the truth and didn't want to face me. But he vanished forever.

  • #2
    Quoth dwasifar View Post
    That customer never showed his face in the store again. I don't know if it was because he stayed mad, or because he eventually found out I was telling him the truth and didn't want to face me. But he vanished forever.

    Sounds like a plus to me.
    Seshat's self-help guide:
    1. Would you rather be right, or get the result you want?
    2. If you're consistently getting results you don't want, change what you do.
    3. Deal with the situation you have now, however it occurred.
    4. Accept the consequences of your decisions.

    "All I want is a pretty girl, a decent meal, and the right to shoot lightning at fools." - Anders, Dragon Age.

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    • #3
      *STAB!!* *stabby stabbity stab!* <.< >.> Wasn't me...
      "I'm working for popcorn - what I get paid doesn't rise to the level of peanuts." -Courtesy of Darkwish

      ...Beware the voice without a face...

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      • #4
        Oh... I LOVE LOVE love the professional amateurs. Seriously, if I can get better picture from my bottom of the line DSLR than you can from yours that cost several thousand dollar more than you suck and probably aren't a professional.

        And I hate that while I have a VERY nice SLR camera, than in my transition to digital all I could (and still can) afford was the bottom of the line Digital Rebel (not even the X or whatever they call it) and you have the camera I would love to have and can't even get good pictures.

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        • #5
          Quoth dwasifar View Post
          PAP: Look. I brought you professional film, and I expect professional results.
          What I wish could have been said: Then you should have had a REAL PROFESSIONAL take the photos.

          How I hate the PAPs. Despite being paid for photos, I know I'm not a professional. However, I do know what I expect out of my prints and what is reasonable to expect in them.

          I do miss working at a photo lab - until I read these stories. No more!

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          • #6
            This reminded me of a funny story... I fully admit to being an Amateur Photographer. I like taking pix. I don't know F-Stop from a hole in the ground... So, a co-worker is getting married and chooses to hire the wife of another co-worker, a big-time PAP. She trips into the wedding with $10,000 of equipment and takes a bunch of pix. I walk around with my little camera, just taking pix here and there for fun.
            Well, hers all came out green. Like underwater algae-covered-people green. I have no idea what she did wrong; it was a standard church and standard reception hall, with no unusual lighting... I felt so sorry for the couple, because all the Pro shots were unusable.
            The upshot was, Co-worker and wife wanted my photos, so I ended up giving them the pix and negatives as part of my wedding gift...

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            • #7
              The photo lab where I used to work, had a customer who thought the entire universe revolved around him, and that his requirements far outstripped those of mere mortals.

              So, this guy called himself a professional photographer. This may be true in strictly financial terms - he supported himself with photography - but I've seen FAR better photographers in their first year of studying than this guy was. His shots were fair; nothing great. He did a lot of weddings, and this is where the real tragedy comes in.

              Mr. I'm-ever-so-much-better-than-thou was and is color blind.

              We had to print his photos a certain way, or he would refuse to accept them - and this was a lot of paper wasted if he refused. He was a joke around the lab. Everybody there could see how crappy his shots were when printed "his" way, but he wouldn't take them if they were printed correctly (nobody who printed photos had problems with color vision; we all had to take a test to prove it).

              I still can't believe, with his lackluster photography, color blindness, and arrogant attitude, that he can earn a living.

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              • #8
                Quoth Yurimaru View Post
                This reminded me of a funny story... I fully admit to being an Amateur Photographer. I like taking pix. I don't know F-Stop from a hole in the ground... So, a co-worker is getting married and chooses to hire the wife of another co-worker, a big-time PAP. She trips into the wedding with $10,000 of equipment and takes a bunch of pix. I walk around with my little camera, just taking pix here and there for fun.
                Well, hers all came out green. Like underwater algae-covered-people green. I have no idea what she did wrong; it was a standard church and standard reception hall, with no unusual lighting... I felt so sorry for the couple, because all the Pro shots were unusable.
                Something like that happened to me. I asked a friend to take my wedding pics, and he bought the wrong film. At the time there were two similar-but-different Kodak pro color print films; I don't remember what they were called any more, but one was color balanced for flash and daylight, and the other was color balanced for studio lighting. He bought the wrong one and all the pictures came out heavily cyan no matter how they were printed.

                Serves me right for being petty. He would have been my best man, but I asked him to take the pictures instead, because at HIS wedding a year earlier, he had asked another mutual friend to be his best man and stuck ME with shooting the pics. I knew he was not a competent photographer but I convinced myself it would turn out OK.

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                • #9
                  Quoth dwasifar View Post
                  Photo film, being transparent, has a wider latitude than photo paper, being opaque. Professional photo film has a wider latitude than consumer film.
                  Hmm... Wouldn't that imply that if worked upon individually, you could salvage more from the professional film, as you have a considerably higher gamut of exposition at your disposal, which you merely have to correlate somehow to the photo paper?

                  Sure, this is bound to be expensive and time-consuming...
                  I still miss my ex.
                  But my aim is getting better.

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                  • #10
                    Quoth dwasifar View Post
                    PAP: (smiling tightly) Okay, I know when somebody's blowing smoke up my ass. I'll just take these to somewhere where they know what they're doing, like Walgreens, and get good prints made. (dripping sarcasm) Thank you. (grabs his prints and negatives and strides out.)

                    It is just me or did anyone else laugh when they read the part about the guy going to somewhere that "knows" what they're doing and then mentioned Walgreens?
                    Be a winner today: Pick a fight with a 4 year old.

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                    • #11
                      I like in a major tourist town, and HATE seeing idiot tourists dangling an expensive SLR camera around their neck.

                      I think a fairly high percentage of people with SLR's have no idea what they are or how to use them. They'd get much better pics with a good point and shoot. It's just a case of "more expensive = better" mentality. When there pictures turn out awful they will probably think they need to buy a camera with more megapixels To a point megapixels don't matter much unless you are planning to resize your pictures MUCH larger than average.

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                      • #12
                        Quoth Alpha Strike View Post
                        It is just me or did anyone else laugh when they read the part about the guy going to somewhere that "knows" what they're doing and then mentioned Walgreens?
                        Hey now, hold on a minute! Walgreens employs only the most highly trained and intelligent photo specialists Gah, I can't even keep a straight face on the internet! Now granted, my current team of photo techs are very good (i.e. haven't ruined anyone's pictures), but all they do is extract the film, process the film, stick it into the printer, maaaybe pay attention to bad pictures and pass them, then stuff them into an envelope. Not a single person in my store (including me, I will confess), knows squat about the latitude of pictures. All we do is hit the "print" button and hope for the best.


                        I do however, truly hate all of the people that come in with digital pictures to print that are very very low quality, then bitch at me for printing them wrong. It's not my fault that you have a shitty camera, or don't know how to take a picture, or are trying to take that crappy little bitty camera phone picture and enlarge it to 8x10. We print what we get, we didn't screw up your picture. Go ahead and take it somewhere else, you'll get the same damn picture there!

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                        • #13
                          This reminded me of a funny story... I fully admit to being an Amateur Photographer. I like taking pix. I don't know F-Stop from a hole in the ground... So, a co-worker is getting married and chooses to hire the wife of another co-worker, a big-time PAP. She trips into the wedding with $10,000 of equipment and takes a bunch of pix. I walk around with my little camera, just taking pix here and there for fun.
                          Well, hers all came out green. Like underwater algae-covered-people green. I have no idea what she did wrong; it was a standard church and standard reception hall, with no unusual lighting... I felt so sorry for the couple, because all the Pro shots were unusable.
                          that happened to my boyfriend too. it's not his primary job but he has done professional work with film & understands all those photography concepts that I can't begin to explain. He took shots at a wedding (family or family friends) and made a point to stay out of the way of the hired professional. ... I don't remember what happened to the other man's shots but it just didn't work out & my bf's shots were the only ones that came out nicely.

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                          • #14
                            Quoth Midnight_Angel View Post
                            Hmm... Wouldn't that imply that if worked upon individually, you could salvage more from the professional film, as you have a considerably higher gamut of exposition at your disposal, which you merely have to correlate somehow to the photo paper?

                            Sure, this is bound to be expensive and time-consuming...
                            You could, which is why I felt obliged to offer him custom printing services. If I didn't, someone else might, and then I would be in the wrong.

                            Probably these days this could be done electronically. But these stories date to the early 1980s when all we had was light, filters, and lenses. The technique at that point would have been to print the negatives one by one in a manual enlarger, and wave a cardboard cutout between the projection lens and the paper to block some areas of the print from getting as much exposure. A time consuming manual process, to be sure.

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                            • #15
                              Quoth Alpha Strike View Post
                              It is just me or did anyone else laugh when they read the part about the guy going to somewhere that "knows" what they're doing and then mentioned Walgreens?
                              Well, from his tone, I think he meant that as a deliberate insult. "Even the drugstore could do better than you clowns."

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