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  • BPA! PLASTICS! BABY BOTTLES!

    We sell to a lot of... alternative medicine types. I mean, after all, we are Whole Foods, we sell a lot of homeopathic stuff. A lot of it is garbage, some of it actually works. More power to you if you want to spend $25+ on what's basically a metal water bottle with a screw on top, or $80+ on a homeopathic remedy that may or may not work. For what it's worth, we sell $70+ water filters for your shower that filter our all the "bad stuff" - I don't doubt they do a good job filtering, but it's... shower water. It hits your body for a couple of seconds and runs down the drain. Believe me, you're absorbing more toxins from the soap you're using than the water, unless you make it a habit to fill cups from your shower head. And even if you do... it's tap water. The majority of bottled waters are filled from.. *gasp* municipal water sources! They're just sent through a few filters first. We also sell a metric assload of bottled water, the most popular being 24 packs of Ozarka for $3.59 (with case discounts). It's a damn good price actually.

    We sell a lot of water bottles/canteens that are made from "plastic alternatives". BPA (Bisphenol A) supposedly leeches into liquids from plastic bottles. But only if it's plastic #X or X. I constantly drink bottled water at my register, and I've had a couple of people tell me I'll surely die of cancer because I drink Ozarka nonstop. Hey, it's free to employees, the water tastes good, and I refill the bottle from the tap (I'll surely die of cancer for doing that too!).

    I picked up the phone the other day to a thick NJ accent going on and on and on about how we scammed her because we sold her a "plastic alternative" bottle that wound up having BPA. How'd she know? She read the "journal of a leading alternative medicine doctor in the UK" (her words) that bought the same bottle. Supposedly it wound up being made of corn fibers (wtf??? IT'S ALUMINUM WITH A NON-TOXIC INNER COATING!) and corn fibers have BPA (double wtf!?!?!?). Then started off on a tangent about how baby bottles have massive amounts of BPA and they're responsible for so much cancer and we shouldn't sell baby bottles (all of our baby bottles are supposedly BPA free), blah blah blah blah blah blah.... that's about when I tuned out and tried to concentrate on ringing my customer up.

    She wouldn't let me insert a word edgewise, which got annoying real fast - I was ringing AND answering the phone, normally I spend <5 seconds on a call before I transfer them to somebody else. Most of that is spent on my greeting, followed by "X dept please" and me saying "One moment please", hitting transfer, and punching in the extension. Or telling them "I'm sorry, Bean Smith can't receive personal calls at work, you'll have to call them at home. Stop calling here" to random bill collectors.

    I spent a full 3 minutes trying to insert "Let me transfer you to.... somebody who gives a shit" before I finally managed to tell her "Let me transfer you to someone who actually knows about this stuff, I'm just a cashier and know nothing about it" (and sent her to someone who really does know about BPA, bottles, etc - we have a couple of people on staff that actually give a crap about that stuff). The poor customer I was ringing at the time was understanding, I gave her a "I'm so sorry" look and did the "blah blah blah blah" expression with my hands, which made the customer laugh at least.

    A few minutes later I saw one of our supplements guys (the one I sent her to) walking around looking like he wanted to kill himself with the phone glued to his ear (we have several wireless phones in the store, he had the one for that department). Making the same "blah blah blah blah" motion with his hands. Sorry man. He later told me the lady was "fucking psycho", and told me he's used to getting all the "fucking psycho" callers anyway, but she took the cake.
    Last edited by bean; 05-28-2009, 02:15 AM.

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    For what it's worth, we sell $70+ water filters for your shower that filter our all the "bad stuff" - I don't doubt they do a good job filtering, but it's... shower water. It hits your body for a couple of seconds and runs down the drain.
    Well, if you have really hard water that can wreak havoc with your hair. Other than that...yeah.
    I don't go in for ancient wisdom
    I don't believe just 'cause ideas are tenacious
    It means that they're worthy - Tim Minchin, "White Wine in the Sun"

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    • #3
      Quoth BookstoreEscapee View Post
      Well, if you have really hard water that can wreak havoc with your hair. Other than that...yeah.
      I should also point out replacement filters for the setup run over $50, and we rarely have them in stock.

      Dude.. it's a shower.. I have hard as hell water (to the point that I have rust stains on my toilet within a day of scrubbing it), and I've survived just fine in the shower. I know a few alternative types that shower with "gray water" (runoff from rain and the water from sinks/washing machines) and they're just fine. No cancer!

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      • #4
        I have really bad hard water as well....so bad that there's pinkish rust that forms in my toilet and tub within 1-2 days of not cleaning it, and it turns brown if it goes further ignored. I'm not a slob by any means, but I get really sick sometimes of having to clean my toilet and tub nearly every day.

        On the other hand, though, hard water is a lot better than the water where my parents live. There is so much chlorine in it, their bathroom always smells like a swimming pool.
        You really need to see a neurologist. - Wagegoth

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        • #5
          Quoth blas87 View Post

          On the other hand, though, hard water is a lot better than the water where my parents live. There is so much chlorine in it, their bathroom always smells like a swimming pool.
          Beats the water at this one place up in the UP me and family stayed at one night while on vacation.

          Rotten-egg smelling piss. I kid you not. There was so much sulfur in it. We didn't dare drink it or shower or wash our hair with it.
          Knowledge is power. Power corrupts. Study hard. Be evil.

          "I never said I wasn't a horrible person."--Me, almost daily

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          • #6
            Quoth blas87 View Post
            I have really bad hard water as well....so bad that there's pinkish rust that forms in my toilet and tub within 1-2 days of not cleaning it, and it turns brown if it goes further ignored. I'm not a slob by any means, but I get really sick sometimes of having to clean my toilet and tub nearly every day.

            On the other hand, though, hard water is a lot better than the water where my parents live. There is so much chlorine in it, their bathroom always smells like a swimming pool.
            We have really hard water in our area, which is rural and most people have private wells. We got a water softener for the whole house and solved than.

            According to the nuts I bet the stuff used to soften it will give me cancer.

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            • #7
              Quoth Irving Patrick Freleigh View Post
              Rotten-egg smelling piss.
              When I visit my girlfriend's family in a small town upstate (Edgewater, outside of Daytona), the whole place smells like rotten eggs whenever people water their lawns in the mornings. And the water that collects in puddles has a slight yellow tinge to it as well. Nice town otherwise, 2min from New Smyrna Beach.

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              • #8
                huh, run into a few of those wackos myself. my usual response, "What, you wanna live forever?"

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                • #9
                  Ugh, god. Homeopaths. I could strangle everyone who spends their money on that crap.
                  "Hey, here's a bottle of something that does absolutely nothing, but it's NATURAL, so it works, right? RIGHT?..."
                  "What's that? You have the flu? No problem! Just eat this ginko flax fish oil coral mineral brambleberry horseradish tumbleweed extract! It's NATURAL."
                  "Obviously drinking this mineral water is going to cure your herpes."

                  You know what else is natural? Arsenic.

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                  • #10
                    Homeopathy, is just a fancy word for, has no knowledge of true herbalism (which you know gave us certain "artificial" things such as aspirin, Lysergic Acid, and most other chemicals) Hell half of what they decry as unnatural has a natural base, gets me annoyed when I got to either of the local Hippie Food and Supplement stores for the food (pretty damn good both places) and see things about the danger of genetically modifieded food (read we've changed something in their DNA.) When in reality it's pretty much Genetically Manipulated foods they should be worried about.

                    Of course I get into the same semantics arguments over Artificial Intelligence saying it's here already, and the next step is Artificial Sentience.

                    Yes I'm a nerd who enjoys panning popular concepts for what they really mean.
                    Last edited by bunnyboy; 05-29-2009, 12:40 AM.

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                    • #11
                      It makes you wonder how the human race survived to this point without Whole Foods.
                      "Do not quibble with me over apostrophes. I have my shit together when it comes to apostrophes." - BookBint

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                      • #12
                        Homeopathy... Must not fratch... remembering basic lessons on chemistry, dilution and powers of ten... logic circuits imploding...

                        SirWired

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                        • #13
                          Quoth MercenaryMuffin View Post
                          Ugh, god. Homeopaths. I could strangle everyone who spends their money on that crap.
                          Our GP when I was a pup (most awesome doctor evah) was a trained and certified homeopath so yes, mom used the stuff, but he was quick to point out it wasn't a cure-all and to press antibiotics/traditional treatments when actually needed.

                          Now, though, it seems like homeopathy has gone to the looney bin. Yes it can work people, but that doesn't mean it's a catchall replacement for actual medicine!
                          "I am quite confident that I do exist."
                          "Excuse me, I'm making perfect sense. You're just not keeping up." The Doctor

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                          • #14
                            Homeopathy serves no purpose than to provide a fake cure to a problem that would have gone away on its own, ie a cold, fever, head ache, etc. It's really just a feel-good product for people who are ignorant of basic chemistry and medicine. Especially this whole "diluting in water" garbage bit. If water kept memory of what was dissolved in it, then we should all be immortal by now!

                            Homeopathy has no legitimate use in an educated society. They're like those anti-vaxxers. They're just spreading nonsense that can end up getting people seriously hurt, even killed.

                            Now, I don't have a problem with someone taking an herb pill if she has a head ache, but when they start trying to, oh, TREAT CANCER by diluting something in water and hoping one molecule will treat it...yeah, they need to be stopped.

                            Hey, maybe if we do a 10x8 dilution of human waste, it'll stop people from having for brains!



                            Sorry, rant over. Just one of those things that bugs me. A lot.
                            Last edited by Boozy; 05-29-2009, 12:44 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Quoth MercenaryMuffin View Post
                              Now, I don't have a problem with some hippie taking an herb pill if she has a head ache, but when they start trying to, oh, TREAT CANCER by diluting something in water and hoping one molecule will treat it...yeah, they need to be stopped.
                              A friend of my mom's did exactly that. She tried to treat cancer with homeopathy.

                              She didn't even live for a year, and a lot of that was spent nearly brain dead in a hospital. The cancer spread all over her body and caused multiple organ failure - she wouldn't do chemo. While it was advanced enough when discovered that she wouldn't have lived a long time anyway, at least chemo would have given her a much longer life and probably a less painful death.

                              I'm all for some natural cures - St Johns Wort is a decent natural antidepressant (though people who actually need such meds really need to speak to a good doctor, like I did), Melatonin is a decent natural sleep aid as well, though one that doesn't work anymore for me. Generic Benadryl (diphenhydramine) is cheaper and works better. Milk Thistle is good for the liver and recommended by many doctors. We have some downright awesome multivitamins, but some of them are horribly priced ($50-80 for 1 month? are you fucking serious? I'm looking at you "Every Man/Woman II" and Alive!). I just buy the store brand vitamins.. $15 for 1 month, minus my 20% employee discount.

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