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  • I bought it from you, YOU take care of it! (long, ranty)

    This almost makes me happy I'm no longer in the Electronics department.....

    There is a customer who bought a computer from us back in May. To avoid any possible problems, I'll call the manufacturer "ABC PC."

    This particular unit was THE most expensive computer we sell, at $1800. It's also a turd. This particular model from this company is one we've sold in the past and had to yank off the shelf and send back because it was a piece of crap that just up and died within a month of setting it up. Supposedly it's been fixed, which is why we started carrying it again, but I'm still surprised we gave it a second chance.

    Anyway, in the 5 months he's owned the machine, it's gone back to ABC PC THREE TIMES for warranty work. THREE TIMES they've replaced the hard drive (and taken care of other issues) and STILL it's not working correctly. Clearly, we've got a lemon on our hands.

    Here's the thing though....the ONLY reason we're dealing with it at all is because we are an ABC PC service provider and therefore can handle warranty issues for customers (though 95% of such issues require shipping the unit out). This guy did NOT - to the best of my knowledge - buy a service plan from us. If not for that, we'd have told him to go piss up a rope, because the return policy is 14 days, unless he wanted to pay us to fix the thing for him.

    The current problem is that - while ABC agrees that it's a lemon and says they'll accept back for a refund - they're waffling on issuing an RMA number. We need that number before we can give the guy his money back, because without it, there's no way to be sure we'll be refunded in turn by ABC, and obviously my company doesn't want to eat $1800 due to something that's not our fault.

    As of last night, it had been 10 business days since they said they'd issue an RMA in "3-5" business days. We're getting frustrated, and so is the customer. I can understand that.

    However, the customer is taking the position that this is somehow OUR problem, and that WE need to take care of it. He came in last night and engaged both our electronics lead and Focker (sales manager) in a protracted argument on the issue, saying the WE need to stand behind OUR products and - I quote - "I didn't buy this from ABC; I bought it from YOU."

    Look, pal, I can understand that this is a frustrating problem, but we are doing everything we possibly can. More, actually. See, we are under no obligation to help you at all. We could just leave you to deal with ABC by yourself. We are making NO money from all the time and effort we've put into resolving this problem. And WE did NOT make the computer, so stop acting like it's OUR fault!

    Seriously, I REALLY hate it when people think we're responsible for the products we sell. If it's not under our house brand, and we aren't doing anything illegal, then NO WE ARE NOT! Get this through your heads!
    "We guard the souls in heaven; we don't horse-trade them!" Samandrial in Supernatural

    RIP Plaidman.

  • #2
    When I worked at Staples we had those SC's all the time. They would refuse to buy a service plan and when the product broke 6 months later they would start bitching and moaning when we told them to call the manufacturer.

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    • #3
      He doesn't get that you didn't get to keep that $1800 that he "gave" (and I bet he used that word "gave," as if his purchase was a charitable donation to your store). You only got to keep whatever your margin was. And I bet it wasn't much.

      I hope the manufacturer issues that RMA soon so you can get rid of the SC.
      The best karma is letting a jerk bash himself senseless on the wall of your polite indifference.

      The stupid is strong with this one.

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      • #4
        As of last night, it had been 10 business days since they said they'd issue an RMA in "3-5" business days. We're getting frustrated, and so is the customer. I can understand that.
        Just want to point something out. Manufacturers will often put a reseller low on the priority list for RMA's, while putting end users first in line. Which is probably the best guess for that rediculous wait.

        Gateway is a big example of that before we switched to our current system of using a 3rd party distributor. On our old system during the manufacturers warranty we had to order parts through them. Sometimes they would take 1-2 weeks to ship the part to the tech's location, but if the customer ordered the same part they could have it at their door in 1-3 days.

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        • #5
          Quoth Dave1982 View Post
          Seriously, I REALLY hate it when people think we're responsible for the products we sell.
          You personally are not, but your company is. If your company chooses to purchase crap to re-sell and make $$ off of, then it is their black eye when the product sucks and we all know where crap rolls right?

          I feel your frustration.
          Tamezin

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          • #6
            ISP's name offers Big Name Antivirus Program and I hate when I get SC's that think we're supposed to provide support for Big Name Antivirus whenever they have issues with it. I always have to tell them, that we offer the program and that they have to call Big Name Antivirus Program for help. But of course typical SC's don't listen and telling them that would be .
            I don't get paid enough to kiss your a**! -Groezig 5/31/08
            Another day...another million braincells lost...-Sarlon 6/16/08
            Chivalry is not dead. It's just direly underappreciated. -Samaliel 9/15/09

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            • #7
              I get that all the time. People get upset with me about Xbox 360 warranty issues have nothing to do with my store but because they "bought it here" I should magically be able to fix their problems.
              "If we refund your money, give you a free replacement and shoot the manager, then will you be happy?" - sign seen in a restaurant

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              • #8
                How the laws differ in different countries.

                In the UK it is the seller who is responsible not the manufacturer so his statement I bought it from you not ABC-PC is correct.


                Patty

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                • #9
                  Quoth tropicsgoddess View Post
                  ISP's name offers Big Name Antivirus Program ...
                  At least yours had a BIG NAME.

                  Red-Checkmark Telco's branded "security suite" came from a no-name company no one ever heard of, whose software had never been tested by reputable (or even UNreputable) organizations/publications, and whose name could be interpreted as a synonym for "ignorant."

                  Oh, and their support line, which we were supposed to call if someone had an issue we couldn't/wouldn't fix was not 24/7.

                  Tell me THAT wasn't a recipe for disaster!



                  .....especially for the poor schmuck who tried to install it alongside his existing Big Name security suite. Oi oi. (unless it's Clam, you do NOT install two AVs on the same system. Ever!)
                  Supporting the idiots charged with protecting your personal information.

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                  • #10
                    Quoth otakuneko View Post
                    At least yours had a BIG NAME.

                    Red-Checkmark Telco's branded "security suite" came from a no-name company no one ever heard of, whose software had never been tested by reputable (or even UNreputable) organizations/publications, and whose name could be interpreted as a synonym for "ignorant."

                    Oh, and their support line, which we were supposed to call if someone had an issue we couldn't/wouldn't fix was not 24/7.

                    Tell me THAT wasn't a recipe for disaster!



                    .....especially for the poor schmuck who tried to install it alongside his existing Big Name security suite. Oi oi. (unless it's Clam, you do NOT install two AVs on the same system. Ever!)

                    Even though the program is well known, it still sucks. It slows down your computer, gloms up so many resources and space AND interferes with email clients too. There's a lesser known program that's reputable and you can get a free trial of for 60 days that doesn't do all that bullshit that Big Name Antivirus program does.
                    I don't get paid enough to kiss your a**! -Groezig 5/31/08
                    Another day...another million braincells lost...-Sarlon 6/16/08
                    Chivalry is not dead. It's just direly underappreciated. -Samaliel 9/15/09

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                    • #11
                      Pretty much every BigName Antivirus has been re-worked in the last year or so to specifically not be the resource hogs they used to be (with my favorite one topping the chart for most-hated, and now it's one of the top-rated for not hogging resources).

                      One of the big tech mags that does antivurs suite reviews has actually added a whole suite of tests designed specifically to test how much impact a given suite will have on a the test sytem, too.

                      Of course, no matter how fool-proof you make anything, someone will come along and prove that they're more fool than they can proof.

                      ^-.-^
                      Faith is about what you do. It's about aspiring to be better and nobler and kinder than you are. It's about making sacrifices for the good of others. - Dresden

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                      • #12
                        Quoth Patty28 View Post
                        How the laws differ in different countries.

                        In the UK it is the seller who is responsible not the manufacturer so his statement I bought it from you not ABC-PC is correct.


                        Patty
                        Except the OP is not in the UK, but you still have a point--the store's reputation suffers if the products it sells are junk.

                        Case in point: a few years back we had some big plasma TVs from some no-name manufacturer as a Black Friday item at a cheap price. We sold six of them IIRC. At least four of them came back due to various defects.

                        Here's a better idea: See if you can lower the price on some our major brand name TVs instead of bringing in some junk made by God-only-knows-who just so you have a low-cost item to sell.
                        Knowledge is power. Power corrupts. Study hard. Be evil.

                        "I never said I wasn't a horrible person."--Me, almost daily

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                        • #13
                          Quoth tropicsgoddess View Post
                          Even though the program is well known, it still sucks. It slows down your computer, gloms up so many resources and space AND interferes with email clients too. There's a lesser known program that's reputable and you can get a free trial of for 60 days that doesn't do all that bullshit that Big Name Antivirus program does.
                          Sounds like that Big Name might be one starting with N.

                          I can't count the number of email calls I got because of it. My solution every single time I discovered it? Disable email scanning. Presto, email works!
                          Supporting the idiots charged with protecting your personal information.

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                          • #14
                            Quoth otakuneko View Post
                            I can't count the number of email calls I got because of it. My solution every single time I discovered it? Disable email scanning. Presto, email works!
                            I despise email scanning with a white-hot passion.

                            Of course, I never had issues with the big N suite for anything, except one borked install that was partially due to a bad hard drive partition. I have yet to figure out what causes so many other people to have so many problems with it.

                            Now, the 3-letter big A suite, on the other hand, I would much prefer to never see again. Alas, my work uses it, and between it and our email service provider, we sometimes get virus spam that not only gets past our email service provider, but when big A tries to scan on download, it just locks up. When I had it on a home system, it crapped it up completely. *shrug*

                            ^-.-^
                            Faith is about what you do. It's about aspiring to be better and nobler and kinder than you are. It's about making sacrifices for the good of others. - Dresden

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                            • #15
                              Personally, I find it a fairly horrible state of affairs that after you buy an item, you then have to pay extra to make sure it works as advertised. I think the OP stated that 14 days is the limit if you don't buy a protection plan. 2 weeks. If I buy anything other than dairy products, I expect it to last more than 2 damn weeks.

                              If I go to a store and buy a computer/Xbox/stove/water heater/MP3 player/cell phone/etc and it goes belly up in a month then I certainly will go right back to the point of purchase and say "You sold me a turd - make it right, please," whether I bought a protection plan or not. That seems blatantly obvious. I wouldn't be an SC about it but I would still expect the retailer to make it right, whether that means service or replacement or refund or whatever.

                              Now obviously that protection isn't forever, but 14 days? Sorry, but if you can't stand behind your products any longer than the local deli stands behind it's corned beef, something is very wrong. Any retailer who sells "stuff" should stand behind said "stuff." If the Bissel I just bought from Target shits the bed next week, I'm dragging it's carcass back to Target.
                              Hmm...more zombies than usual...

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