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  • Another Attempted Scam Foiled

    This guy has been trying to scam a free update for almost two months.

    First, back in November he bought a new computer with Windows 7 on it. He had the 2002 version of our software and couldn't install it because that version isn't compatible with Windows 7.

    So I told him that and told him he was eligible to buy the update at the update price.

    He didn't like that. He needed a free solution and told me he needed the software to work for his business producing materials for clients. He demanded that we make the 2002 version work on Windows 7 (for free).

    That backfired on him for two reasons. First, stating that he owns a business and uses our tool to make money is even LESS reason to give him freebies.

    The other reason is that the rules for producing the materials he was selling to clients changed in 2004. Even if the 2002 version were supported in Windows 7, he's still going to need to buy the update to keep his clients happy.

    Calling customer hypocrites isn't a good idea, so I concentrated on the second issue in my answer. However, I believe I used the word "good investment" someplace to drive home the first point diplomatically.

    He wanted to know if I had another free solution since it was very urgent.

    So I told him about a free time-limited trial for which he was eligible and gave him instructions to download and install it. I told him very clearly that the trial would work once and stop working on a given date. I also told him that re-installing it or winding back his computer clock by more than a day would cause the trial to stop working immediately.

    Then I referred him to our UK reseller, Frank.

    After getting the referral Frank dropped me a private note to tell me that this guy was "a bit of a 'chancer.'"

    It turned out the fellow had previously demanded freebies from Frank. He must have turned to us when Frank said "no."

    Frank, bless him, had also outright told the guy that the tagline of his business "[Output] at it's best" was a bit of a misnomer considering he was using a such an out of date version and producing output that didn't meet with current standards.

    So two weeks go by and the fellow gets in touch again and asks for something free again. I simply repeated the update quote, reminded him about the trial he could download and told him I was referring him to Frank. I cc'd Frank publically.

    The SC got back to me later to let me know he had installed the trial and that was end of the matter for a while.

    Fast forward to today. I guess the fellow's time-limited trial must have stopped working. The trial time period hadn't ended so I guess he must have tried to cheat by re-installing or re-winding his clock (which I told him NOT to do).

    I wouldn't even post this here but he tried to throw Frank under the bus. He claimed that he'd placed the order with Frank but it hadn't yet come in and he needed to get the update working today URGENTLY [all emails from him have been in ALL CAPS; but fortunately not in large font]. What could I do for him this afternoon?

    That story wasn't believable because Frank *always* tells his customers they can download and activate without a physical CD once their order is in. And he is very quick to let us know if the customer needs something expedited. So that tale is just ridiculous.

    Nevertheless, telling customers they're liars isn't a good idea. So I simply told the SC that if he placed an order with Frank, he needed to talk to Frank about it. Of course I "helpfully" cc'd Frank and let the SC know I had done so. I figured he'd want me to let Frank know the SC was inquiring about his "order."

    I followed up with a private message to Frank to refresh his memory about the guy and let him know I didn't think for a moment that he, Frank, had dropped the ball.

    Did Frank remember him? Oh, yes. Last he heard the guy was "thinking it over."

    He checked his pending orders just to make sure. No order had come in from the SC.

    Golly! I wonder what happened there!
    Last edited by Dips; 01-12-2010, 04:45 PM.
    The best karma is letting a jerk bash himself senseless on the wall of your polite indifference.

    The stupid is strong with this one.

  • #2
    You seem to get the most unique scammers, your stories are always a hoot!

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    • #3
      Quoth Dips View Post


      Did Frank remember him? Oh, yes. Last he heard the guy was "thinking it over."

      He checked his pending orders just to make sure. No order had come in from the SC.

      Golly! I wonder what happened there!
      Aliens. Long story short there was a cow, a probe, and some mind wiping involved. Longer story, stay out of Vegas.
      How was I supposed to know someone was slipping you Birth Control in the food I've been making for you lately?

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      • #4
        I talked to Mark about this guy because he saw the email and asked me to let him know about it.

        When I reminded him that Frank had called the SC out on "[Output] at its best," he came up with two proposed re-wordings on the spot (not to be shared with the SC):

        "[Output] as it used to be."

        "[Output]. The way you remember it."

        Mark cracks me up.
        The best karma is letting a jerk bash himself senseless on the wall of your polite indifference.

        The stupid is strong with this one.

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        • #5
          Ye Olde outpute?

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          • #6
            [output] classic
            Vintage [output]
            Honestly.... the image of that in my head made me go "AWESOME!"..... and then I remembered I am terribly strange.-Red dazes

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            • #7
              See and when SC lied about placing the order with Frank and then *gasp* not receiving the update when he needed it now Now NOW, I might've responded with:

              "Oh, no problem, I'll get you taken care of. I'll ask Frank to cancel your order with him and I'll just take your order direct. What credit card number would you like to use?"
              A lion however, will only devour your corpse, whereas an SC is not sated until they have destroyed your soul. (Quote per infinitemonkies)

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              • #8
                [Output] We put out.
                Why do they make Superglue but not Batglue?

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                • #9
                  Quoth dougall View Post
                  Ye Olde outpute?
                  Ye Sayme Olde Shitte
                  I am not an a**hole. I am a hemorrhoid. I irritate a**holes!
                  Procrastination: Forward planning to insure there is something to do tomorrow.
                  Derails threads faster than a pocket nuke.

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                  • #10
                    He Tried Again Today

                    But he used different tactics with me and Frank.

                    With me he emailed again but played innocent that he was just some guy using the trial and it wouldn't work and he was keeping a customer waiting (as if I didn't know who he was and that the time had run out because he tried to cheat the clock).

                    No worries I played innocent too. I told him that the trial was for testing purposes, not production purposes. The I simply gave him a price and told him what cards we accepted.

                    I also recommended Frank, which is routine for UK orders.

                    Then I followed up with Frank to let him know that I wasn't trying to steal the sale but figured giving him a quote would shut him up.

                    As it turned out he had been trying another tactic on Frank at the same time.

                    When Frank had sold him the original license back in 2002 it had been financed by Employment Services. The SC had been telling Frank that Employment Services was going to pay for the update and trying to get Frank to ship the update in anticipation of the PO coming in from Employment Services.

                    Anybody with half a brain knows you're not going to collect a dime from a goverment agency if they haven't authorized the purchase. So, as Frank put it to me:

                    Under NO circumstances do we supply unless the Employment Service confirm they will fund it.

                    Then he added:

                    (ESPECIALLY with this guy)



                    He didn't put it that way to the SC, of course. He just told him he hadn't received any communication for Employment Services regarding funding and asked the SC to follow the matter up with them. He also mentioned reviewing all the messages between me (by name) and the SC and finding himself confused as what the SC said in that exchange is quite different from Frank's understanding of the matter. Perhaps the SC could clear that up?

                    I love this SC's optimism. It's delightfully misguided.

                    Edit: TOO FUNNY!

                    Frank's message to the SC had a read receipt on it. When he got it back the time stamp was off by a month!

                    Remember how I suspected the SC had dialed the clock back in the hopes of defeating the time limit on the trial?

                    He's the energizer bunny of scammers. lol
                    Last edited by Dips; 01-13-2010, 05:45 PM.
                    The best karma is letting a jerk bash himself senseless on the wall of your polite indifference.

                    The stupid is strong with this one.

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                    • #11
                      Quoth Dips View Post
                      Frank's message to the SC had a read receipt on it. When he got it back the time stamp was off by a month!
                      Busted!
                      A fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says W T F.....

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                      • #12
                        Quoth Dips View Post
                        Frank's message to the SC had a read receipt on it. When he got it back the time stamp was off by a month!

                        Remember how I suspected the SC had dialed the clock back in the hopes of defeating the time limit on the trial?
                        Bwahahaha!

                        He thought that dialing the clock back to before the trial was initiated would somehow not be noticed?

                        What a moran.

                        ^-.-^
                        Faith is about what you do. It's about aspiring to be better and nobler and kinder than you are. It's about making sacrifices for the good of others. - Dresden

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                        • #13
                          Not exactly the brightest of scammers here.

                          To alter the famous quote said so many times, "the stupid is strong with this one!" let us just say "the scammer is strong in this one. But he _still_ fails!"

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                          • #14
                            Good grief he just asked for another update quote.

                            Since the price hasn't changed since this morning I just copied and pasted the same quote.

                            I was sorely tempted to use Jester's haggling technique and increase the price by $50 each time he asks but the boss shot me down.
                            The best karma is letting a jerk bash himself senseless on the wall of your polite indifference.

                            The stupid is strong with this one.

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                            • #15
                              Quoth eltf177 View Post
                              Not exactly the brightest of scammers here.

                              To alter the famous quote said so many times, "the stupid is strong with this one!" let us just say "the scammer is strong in this one. But he _still_ fails!"
                              Another paraphrased variation:

                              "Still 'old friend'. You've tried to scam everyone else, but like a poor marksman, you keep missing the target!"
                              It's floating wicker propelled by fire!

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