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  • #16
    To be fair the employee sent into the building was wearing a red shirt and his name was "Intern Ricky"

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    • #17
      Without going into detail that could get me fired, this PARTICULAR location is not one that would benefit from the US or UK labor laws and protections.

      SO, yeah, Kinda glad I work in the country I do after dealing with that one.

      As for the backup situation, I told the account manager "You know they're hosed and going to have to rebuild from the ground up, right? Those tapes are toast." He agreed...then like the little mercenary he was, laughed and said 'Well, I guess I'm about to make a big sale!"

      THAT is why I never want to be in sales. Kinda creeped me out a little.

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      • #18
        Forget the flames, it's the smoke and fumes that kill most people in a fire. And what sort of rinky dink outfit doesn't have a fire suppression system AND offsite backups. Penny wise, pound foolish. If it was me, I'd have stepped inside, come out coughing and sued their asses off.
        If a dog will not come to you after having looked you in the face, you should go home and examine your conscience.
        --Woodrow Willson

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        • #19
          Obviously I'm not the only one shocked and appalled... who would have told the manager to F off.

          ...But honestly I would laugh in that man's face. "Red go run into the burning building." HAHAHAHA... yeah right.

          What makes me sad is that some of those employees probably listened to the idiot.
          "I'm not smiling because I'm happy. I'm smiling because every time I blink your head explodes!"
          -Red

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          • #20
            Frankly, the server room should be equiped with special fire-suppression gear anyway. We use a gas that bonds with the oxygen to remove the fuel for the fire. If ours goes off, you better get clear quick, because it will suffocate anyone in the area, also. No going in after anything until the room has cleared for at least an hour.

            The room is also walled with brick and sealed with holes drilled to run line through to keep the gas contained and working a maximum effectiveness. Nasty stuff, really, but it beats replacing the servers if a sprinkler or solid extiguisher malfunctions.
            The Rich keep getting richer because they keep doing what it was that made them rich. Ditto the Poor.
            "Hy kan tell dey is schmot qvestions, dey is makink my head hurt."
            Hoc spatio locantur.

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            • #21
              Quoth Geek King View Post
              Frankly, the server room should be equiped with special fire-suppression gear anyway. We use a gas that bonds with the oxygen to remove the fuel for the fire. If ours goes off, you better get clear quick, because it will suffocate anyone in the area, also. No going in after anything until the room has cleared for at least an hour.
              At our server locations we have a gas fire suppresion system - once that is set off you have to grab and use the breathing apparatus systems that are within the room else you'll suffocate to death before you hit the door (we have a huge server farm).

              Not suprisingly you have to have a current certificate to even enter the room.
              A PSA, if I may, as well as another.

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              • #22
                Quoth crazylegs View Post
                At our server locations we have a gas fire suppresion system - once that is set off you have to grab and use the breathing apparatus systems that are within the room else you'll suffocate to death before you hit the door (we have a huge server farm).
                Completly understandable. Our server room is a repurposed walk-in closet. Unless you happen to be behind the racks, it is about two steps to the door. Just about a dozen servers and a legacy UNIX system that they keep trying to salvage old records off of.
                The Rich keep getting richer because they keep doing what it was that made them rich. Ditto the Poor.
                "Hy kan tell dey is schmot qvestions, dey is makink my head hurt."
                Hoc spatio locantur.

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                • #23
                  Quoth crazylegs View Post
                  At our server locations we have a gas fire suppresion system - once that is set off you have to grab and use the breathing apparatus systems that are within the room else you'll suffocate to death before you hit the door (we have a huge server farm).
                  I'm worried by the fact that you need to emphasise the fact that you need to use the breathers. Is this based off of someone not quite putting two and two together? (Hopefully in a non-fatal way).

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                  • #24
                    Quoth Magpie View Post
                    I'm worried by the fact that you need to emphasise the fact that you need to use the breathers. Is this based off of someone not quite putting two and two together? (Hopefully in a non-fatal way).
                    To be fair, people do odd things when they get panicked. That's why there should be regular drills - so grabbing the breathing apparatus is a reflex, not a "Ohh, what should I do?" <crump>
                    Lady, people aren't chocolates. D'you know what they are mostly? Bastards. Bastard-coated bastards with bastard filling. Dr Cox - Scrubs

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                    • #25
                      Quoth Naaman View Post
                      To be fair, people do odd things when they get panicked. That's why there should be regular drills - so grabbing the breathing apparatus is a reflex, not a "Ohh, what should I do?" <crump>
                      Even then, keep your eyes open. You never know how people are going to react in a real emergancy until one happens. Even after multiple drills, some people will completely lose it and panic. I've seen it happen.
                      The Rich keep getting richer because they keep doing what it was that made them rich. Ditto the Poor.
                      "Hy kan tell dey is schmot qvestions, dey is makink my head hurt."
                      Hoc spatio locantur.

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                      • #26
                        Quoth Geek King View Post
                        Completly understandable. Our server room is a repurposed walk-in closet.
                        Same here--our wonderful "server room" is a closet. The rack is mounted in the middle of the room, with various equipment hanging from it...or standing around it. Considering the several boxes of paper and other flammable crap in there, plus all the equipment (phone boxes, the server, etc)...if a fire is going to happen, it'll probably start in there. And no, I'm not going to try to save that shit. I don't care if there's no off-site backups--if the building is burning, it's not my problem.

                        Why don't we have off-site backups? For one, my boss is a cheap bastard. Two, the Linksys device he bought to handle it...was at his house until his 'net connection started dropping. Rather than fix it, he had me install that thing on our network here. Apparently he really *doesn't* value his data...never mind that if it does get destroyed, we're literally out of business

                        Oh well, at least I'll get massive amounts of overtime while trying to get things up and running
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                        • #27
                          I've ranted about our glorious server system quite enough in the tech section already

                          Our 'off-site backup' consists of some selected data being backed up by Iron Mountain, and a USB storage drive that the owner supposedly swaps out and takes home, putting another in its place, switching the two every two weeks. He's yet to swap them AT ALL, and it's been over a year...

                          Hell, if someone calls us for support with one of those "we lost our entire data file to fire/flood/ferrets/PEBKAC!" problems, the FIRST thing we ask is when they last backed up...the second is usually how often they copied backups off to somewhere other than the data drive...
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                          • #28
                            I've been flying quite often recently - often enough to have occasionally ended up in exit rows.

                            Part of the spiel about the oxygen masks is that you must make sure your own is in place before helping anyone else with theirs. Even so, I can easily imagine panicked mothers trying to put their young childrens' masks on before their own. The predictable result would be someone else having to step over and help all of them - possibly the cabin crew (who have portable masks).

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                            • #29
                              Quoth Geek King View Post
                              Frankly, the server room should be equiped with special fire-suppression gear anyway. We use a gas that bonds with the oxygen to remove the fuel for the fire. If ours goes off, you better get clear quick, because it will suffocate anyone in the area, also. No going in after anything until the room has cleared for at least an hour.

                              The room is also walled with brick and sealed with holes drilled to run line through to keep the gas contained and working a maximum effectiveness. Nasty stuff, really, but it beats replacing the servers if a sprinkler or solid extiguisher malfunctions.
                              At my school, the data canter has both a gas system as the primary with double-interlocked pre-action water sprinklers should a major fire occur. On a tour for a class, the IT guy said "if the alarm sounds get to the exits ASAP. I don't give a f*ck about your phone, side conversation, etc. NOW! Your phone is not worth having all the oxygen sucked out on you."

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                              • #30
                                Quoth Magpie View Post
                                I'm worried by the fact that you need to emphasise the fact that you need to use the breathers.
                                Unfortunately our techs are so distracted by their own genius thoughts that they sometimes need a little reminder every now and again...
                                A PSA, if I may, as well as another.

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