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  • SC + questionable management = Major Headache!

    This one is a doozy.

    This guy bought a used PS3 from one of our stores awhile back that crappped out so we did an exchange for him. As it turns out the second one crapped out too so he came back wanting a refund...about 45 days out of policy. He was initially refused, but he appealed all the way up to my regional manager and she agreed to do the refund for him as a one time courtesy. A few days he later he came back and bought an Xbox 360 and a Guitar Hero Band kit.

    Some 38 days later (about two weeks ago) he comes back to a different store to try and get a refund for the Guitar Hero kit because he didn't like it. He drops the name of an employee who works at that store and says that person told him he could get a refund.

    I should point out:

    1) We don't do refunds on opened new items
    2) We aren't supposed to returns on the band kits at all
    3) He was outside the return window.
    4) The person he name dropped had never dealt with him before.

    As luck would have it, the Regional Manager was doing a store visit and happened to be there when the SC came in. You might think she caved to him again but no, she actually shot him down this time (I was speechless when I heard this) and he left in a huff.

    Of course that's NOT the end of it...

    The SC drives to the next closest store we have and tries to get his refund again, saying the Regional Manager actually APPROVED said refund. Not being dumb, this store calls the other store back to confirm this, Regional Manager sets the records straight and shoots SC down again.

    This is where I come in.

    I take a call from the Regional Manager warning me about this guy. My store is the next closest one to the one SC was just at, so there's a good chance he might be heading here next. She tells me if he shows up to put him on the phone with her immediately. That's fine with me. Usually this is where these stories end. The SC will try several stores without success and eventually figure out they are not going to get their way.

    Sure enough, he shows up at our store, Guitar Hero Kit in tow. He tells us the refund is approved and name drops yet another employee at our store (well I at least give him some effort marks on this one). So we tell him we have to confirm everything and get him on the phone with the Regional Manager.

    He gets on with the regional manager and a long discussion ensues, when all is said and done...

    HIS REFUND GETS APPROVED!

    I cannot begin to tell you how much this pissed off everyone that had to deal with this person and even a couple who didn't (one of our other managers for instance got angry when she heard the story). I just have no words for this (Well okay, I do, but I'll restrain myself ). The only possible reason the Regional Manager might have changed her tune is because the SC hinted he would buy other products from us if he got the refund, but there are two problems with this:

    1) We were sold out of the items he wanted.
    2) If this were the case, why wouldn't he settle for a store credit instead of being so adamant about a cash refund?

    I spoke with the assistant manager at the store where he originally bought the band kit and he said this guy has tried to pull shenanigans like this before and he actually once had to call the guy on his day off at the request of the Regional Manager to inform him a resolution had been reached on another matter.

    This guy was already upset enough because we apparently kept "screwing him over" on returns (pot meet kettle...) and most likely will never step foot inside one of our stores again. So for those of you keeping score we actually lost a fair bit of money on this whole song and dance.

    The final tally is something like this:

    Profit made: $0
    Losses incurred: At least $200
    Customer relationships retained: 0
    Employees angered: 6+

    So how exactly did this "customer friendly" decision benefit our company?
    "If we refund your money, give you a free replacement and shoot the manager, then will you be happy?" - sign seen in a restaurant

  • #2
    The RM got worn down and gave the refund in the hope he would shut up and go away.

    If you're lucky he'll be so mad he'll never shop with your store again . . . .
    They say that God only gives us what we can handle. Apparently, God thinks I'm a bad ass.

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    • #3
      No wonder your store has such a strict returns policy thanks to freeloaders like the SC you described.

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      • #4
        I hate it when the rules are bent behind your back. It makes everyone look like a fool. "Mom said 'no,' so I'll just ask Dad."
        Dull women have immaculate homes.

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        • #5
          Man, that story makes me angry. It hits a little too close to the bone.

          Because I'm a bastard at heart, I'd make it perfectly clear to the RM just how annoyed you all were.

          Not by talking to the RM. No, that won't work.

          No, the next time, hell every time, a customer comes in with a return request that is outside of policy, I'd tell the customer this:

          "Look, I'm sorry, what you are trying to do is outside of store policy, and I am not permitted to break that. However, our RM is permitted. And does, if you make a big enough pest of yourself. Even if the first ten answers are no, keep hounding. You'll eventually get the answer you're after. Here's the RM's number. Oh, and if you get asked why you're badgering him, say that another customer said that he did it and you gave in."

          Out of your hair. And when every return in the region start clogging up your poor RM's time with idiotic requests, maybe, just maybe, we can prove that management can be trained...

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          • #6
            I hate to play devils avocate but there is one other possibility. Every once and a while, the managment at one of the places I have worked at a long time ago would give an especially annoying customer whatever they wanted, within reason, on one condition...

            They never shop there again.

            The reason this was done is becasue there are customers that are far more expensive to deal with that its worth. In those cases it can acctualy be cheeper to pay them to leave forever.

            it goes without saying this is an option that was only ever used as a last resort, usualy after the customer waisted thousands of dollers in employees time. It also was never done at anything less than a reagonal mangers level because this kind of tactic can backfire horribly if done to often.

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            • #7
              UPDATE

              We had a conference call this morning where a number of us brought up our frustration with the Regional Manager on this incident. She refused to answer any questions about it and cut off the discussion real fast.

              On another note, while I can buy the logic he might have gotten the refund on the condition he never shop with us again, truth is, if he'd been stonewalled enough times, he'd have given up sooner or later and never shopped with us again anyway.
              "If we refund your money, give you a free replacement and shoot the manager, then will you be happy?" - sign seen in a restaurant

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              • #8
                Quoth CrazedClerkthe2nd View Post
                UPDATE

                We had a conference call this morning where a number of us brought up our frustration with the Regional Manager on this incident. She refused to answer any questions about it and cut off the discussion real fast.
                Oh no. I wouldn't have let that drop. I'd just keep bringing up the refund until I finally got an answer as to why it was approved. I would derail the entire call over that.

                Or I got fired. Whatever. I'm just fireable like that.
                Knowledge is power. Power corrupts. Study hard. Be evil.

                "I never said I wasn't a horrible person."--Me, almost daily

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                • #9
                  Quoth alacazar View Post
                  I hate to play devils advocate but there is one other possibility. Every once and a while, the management at one of the places I have worked at a long time ago would give an especially annoying customer whatever they wanted, within reason, on one condition...

                  They never shop there again.
                  I know my company has done this - we actually brought back every single item that we manufactured and advised him to shop another brand. I think it was 8 different appliances. My reaction ->

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                  • #10
                    Maybe returns should only be permitted if it's proven there's a real defect.
                    Customers should always be served . . . to the nearest great white.

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                    • #11
                      Quoth Exaspera View Post
                      "Mom said 'no,' so I'll just ask Dad."
                      I had that trick worked out when I was still in elementary school. If I wanted to go to something, I'd ask my mom. She would invariably tell me to ask my dad. I would immediately ask my dad, as far ahead of the event as possible. My dad would tell me he needed to think about it. The night before or the day of the event, I would remind my dad that he never gave me an answer. Out of a combination of guilt, embarrassment for forgetting, and not wanting to disappoint me, he would always say, "Yes." Ah, the good old days.
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                      • #12
                        Quoth Kristev View Post
                        Maybe returns should only be permitted if it's proven there's a real defect.
                        Then we'd have a scenario like this, which has happened to me several times:

                        - Customer comes in complaining a product is not working
                        - I test the product and it works just fine
                        - Customer complains that my TV must be set up different or I'm using different batteries or just says even though it works fine they still couldn't get it to work at home.

                        My company is totally against ever calling a customer a liar so for defective returns, we just take their word for it. Yes this does cause plenty of perfectly good merchandise to be returned as defective but that's how corporate wants to do it.

                        Irv,

                        Yeah I think my manager and I are going to call the Regional Manager ourselves on a non conference call and talk this over. We want answeres.

                        Also, I'm not sure your fireable, I can only imagine how the swamp would go to hell if you got canned!
                        "If we refund your money, give you a free replacement and shoot the manager, then will you be happy?" - sign seen in a restaurant

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