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  • #16
    Here in Ontario you can have a place with a sit-down restaurant that is legally a bar (no one under 19 allowed in). There are places where are designated as bars and places which are designated as restaurants. I'm sure there's some financial difference, but the only one that most of us can notice is whether or not you're allowed in if you're underage. (When they were phasing out smoking there was a while that smoking was still allowed in bars, and a lot of places switched to being bars, and then switched back when they couldn't let people smoke anyhow).

    As for the "I have a stupid question" people: we might be more intelligent, but prefacing the question that we know you get weekly, if not daily, with that makes us feel less stupid. We are letting you know that we are aware that you probably get asked this so often that it feels like there can't be anyone you haven't told yet.

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    • #17
      We do one better here with our infamous "Open Container Law" -- a cup of alcoholic liquid is considered to be "not open" if it has a lid on top that has not been breached with a straw. This, of course, has led to the proliferation of drive-thru Daiquiri shops where they hand you a huge styrofoam cup of what is, in effect, a Jack Daniels slushie, thru the drive-up window....And it's perfectly legal as long as they HAND you the straw rather than inserting it thru the lid for you.
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      • #18
        Quoth Megg View Post
        I do that, and every single time, they say "I thought you said it was a stupid question?" and smile at me. It always feels like a dumb question, though, honest! It makes me sad for humanity, a little.
        Yup, that's me as well... I say that all the time, and then I'm always reassured that it's actually a very good question and they're glad I asked.
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        • #19
          Jester I apologise if I came off as a bit flippant in my comment. The idea of the comment was more for other people, not necessarily aimed at you.

          Just to clarify, we have the exact same laws here in Adelaide. We'll take STATE ID only (that's drivers license or proof-of-age card: that also extends to learners and provisional licences as well) or a passport. That's IT. I was actually that hell-bent on making sure that my friends had their IDs for my 18th, I kept pestering my friend to get his proof of age card. He bought his passport.
          I use the same principle at work, except I'll take interstate IDs when the person can't sign their credit card for physical reasons. When it comes to cigarettes, I will allow interstate IDs when they're cleared with my manager. (based on the "if in doubt, CHECK" principle)
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          • #20
            Quoth Jester View Post
            Philosophical Point—Debate It If You Want To

            I have noticed that, generally speaking, the customers who preface their question with the statement, “I have a stupid question,” generally speaking, are more intelligent and have more intelligent questions than the people who don’t. My thought on this is that if you are aware enough to worry that your question may be stupid, it probably isn’t. Further, I think that anyone who says, “I want to do something annoying” or “I am going to be difficult here” generally are not near as annoying or difficult as A. they think they are, and B. the really difficult and annoying people.

            Discuss amongst yourselves.
            I agree, mainly because when someone comes out and says that before asking the question, they are being polite, and I don't mind bending over backwards trying to help that polite customer who is being kind and understanding.

            Also, if you preface a question like that then you have to be intelligent enough to know that whatever answer you get back, it might not be exactly what you want, so when you get back an answer that doesn't quite fit your expectations, its nowhere near as bad and they tend not to get so upset or sucky.
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            • #21
              Quoth Jester View Post
              I have noticed that, generally speaking, the customers who preface their question with the statement, “I have a stupid question,” generally speaking, are more intelligent and have more intelligent questions than the people who don’t. My thought on this is that if you are aware enough to worry that your question may be stupid, it probably isn’t. Further, I think that anyone who says, “I want to do something annoying” or “I am going to be difficult here” generally are not near as annoying or difficult as A. they think they are, and B. the really difficult and annoying people.
              Jest, I simply must agree with you.
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              • #22
                One more in Favor of the J-man. Motion carries.

                Whenever I have people come up to me with a self-described "stupid question", I usually do my best to eke out a response along the lines of "Well, it's only stupid if you never find out the answer. So, ask."
                "For a musician, the SNES sound engine is like using Crayola Crayons. Nobuo Uematsu used Crayola Crayons to paint the Sistine Chapel." - Jeremy Jahns (re: "Dancing Mad")
                "The difference between an amateur and a master is that the master has failed way more times." - JoCat
                "Thinking is difficult, therefore let the herd pronounce judgment!" ~ Carl Jung
                "There's burning bridges, and then there's the lake just to fill it with gasoline." - Wiccy, reddit
                "Retail is a cruel master, and could very well be the most educational time of many people's lives, in its own twisted way." - me
                "Love keeps her in the air when she oughta fall down...tell you she's hurtin' 'fore she keens...makes her a home." - Capt. Malcolm Reynolds, "Serenity" (2005)
                Acts of Gord – Read it, Learn it, Love it!
                "Our psychic powers only work if the customer has a mind to read." - me

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                • #23
                  I do think it's stupid that assorted countries/states only allow (country) or (state) ID, rather than ID issued by recognised governments of all/most friendly countries.

                  Of course, that would probably mean printing an annual document the size of the New York White Pages that lists what all current ID documents of all current friendly countries looks like.....


                  As for the Aussie with the British passport: you can have British/Australian dual nationality. Many countries in the Commonwealth of Nations either permit dual nationality with Britain (for historic reasons), or with all other Commonwealth countries.
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                  2. If you're consistently getting results you don't want, change what you do.
                  3. Deal with the situation you have now, however it occurred.
                  4. Accept the consequences of your decisions.

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                  • #24
                    Quoth Seshat View Post
                    Of course, that would probably mean printing an annual document the size of the New York White Pages that lists what all current ID documents of all current friendly countries looks like.....
                    and this would be why they can only accept certain types of ID.

                    Heck, if you work in Florida then you will know what a Florida drivers license looks like and could probably spot all but the best fake Florida Driver's licenses. But you probably won't have seen enough texas licenses to be able to tell a reasonable fake from the real thing.

                    Its the same reason why I wouldn't take Scottish notes (they are the same currency, but have different images printed on them) when I was working at the cafe as i'd simply not seen enough of them to know whether they are real or not. I'd always explain exactly why I couldn't take them and that I needed the bosses approval to take them.
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                    CW: So what exactly do you do in retentions?
                    Me: ummm, I ....retent stuff?

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                    • #25
                      I think bars and casinos are to be considered an adult world, the adult playground, our form of a disneyland. Not meant for children. For some reason my casino allows children up at the cage. They can get change (by themselves too!) and even cash travel checks! Alas, I am a sheep and rules I have to follow

                      I do the "I have a stupid question thing" I am really unsure of myself in public and I tend to embarass myself daily so sometimes that slips out lol

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                      • #26
                        Quoth fireheart17 View Post
                        Jester I apologise if I came off as a bit flippant in my comment.
                        I am almost impossible to offend, so don't worry about it, and people, please stop apologizing to me. It's completely unnecessary. Trust me, if you're not sure if you offended me/irritated me....you didn't. I let such things be very clearly known. I am, as I've been told, about as subtle as a jackhammer.

                        Quoth EricKei View Post
                        Whenever I have people come up to me with a self-described "stupid question", I usually do my best to eke out a response along the lines of "Well, it's only stupid if you never find out the answer. So, ask."
                        I have often heard people say that "there is no such thing as a stupid question."

                        As a bartender, I know this is not true. There really are stupid questions out there.

                        This week's winner for Really Stupid Question occurred yesterday. A guy in his fifties, who was reasonably sober, asked me quite seriously, "That Mount Gay rum...is that some kind of rum designed for gay people?"

                        I had to struggle to keep a straight face as I told him about one of the oldest distilleries in the world and their fine rum offerings.

                        Quoth Seshat View Post
                        I do think it's stupid that assorted countries/states only allow (country) or (state) ID, rather than ID issued by recognised governments of all/most friendly countries.
                        I think it's stupid that you can't drink at an age that for almost everything else is considered an adult (18 in the U.S.). But whatever my thoughts about the laws, they are still laws under which I must toil.

                        Quoth Seshat View Post
                        As for the Aussie with the British passport: you can have British/Australian dual nationality.
                        Point of clarification: it was an Aussie (I believe) with a British driver's license, not passport. And there are tons of ways for that to happen. The most obvious one being he was an Aussie living in the U.K.

                        Quoth Darkforge View Post
                        Heck, if you work in Florida then you will know what a Florida drivers license looks like and could probably spot all but the best fake Florida Driver's licenses. But you probably won't have seen enough texas licenses to be able to tell a reasonable fake from the real thing.
                        But by Florida law, we can and do accept driver's licenses and state-issued ID cards from all 50 States. I see Texas licenses all the time. Ditto New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Michigan, California, Georgia, Massachusetts, Ohio, Illinois, and Indiana. Among others.

                        Quoth Anakah View Post
                        I think bars and casinos are to be considered an adult world, the adult playground, our form of a disneyland. Not meant for children.
                        Hallelulah! Amen! And preach on!

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                        • #27
                          So, Jester, if I came to Key West and wanted to order something at your bar, what would I be able to use as an ID?

                          - German Federal ID card (I have this on me all the time, as required by law) ?
                          - European Driving License (yes, they have a (more or less) unified DL throughout the EU) (got this one with me all the time as well) ?
                          - International Driving License (of course, issued by German authorities) ?
                          - German Passport (which is a hassle to carry around, due to not fitting in any wallet) ?


                          Oh, and (stupid question?) what kind of rum would you recommend? At the time, they seem to be hyping that Guatemalan stuff (Zacapa, IIRC) around here... Well, all I can say is, starting at around 50 Euros per bottle, it isn't exactly cheap...
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                          • #28
                            Quoth Jester View Post
                            But by Florida law, we can and do accept driver's licenses and state-issued ID cards from all 50 States. I see Texas licenses all the time. Ditto New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Michigan, California, Georgia, Massachusetts, Ohio, Illinois, and Indiana. Among others.
                            eh, trust me to pick a bad example when I picked two states at random...
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                            CW: So what exactly do you do in retentions?
                            Me: ummm, I ....retent stuff?

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                            • #29
                              Quoth Jester View Post
                              I have often heard people say that "there is no such thing as a stupid question."
                              ...but that comes pretty close

                              ...unless you're in my MEXXX class

                              ...only stupid people.

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                              • #30
                                Quoth Jester View Post
                                I Wonder If They Have a Twelve-Step Program for This

                                I am somewhat addicted to Golden Tee, a popular golf video game which many of may be familiar with. This is rather ironic, considering my lack of interest in actual golf, either as a participant or a spectator. That being said, I now know for certain it is a true addiction, due to my ridiculous excitement yesterday at getting my first hole-in-one in about seven years.
                                I, too, have a love for video golf that does not translate to the actual sport. I used to be pretty good at Golden Tee, but havn't played in awhile. I do enjoy the Hot Shots Golf series on the various Playstation systems from time to time. Nice to know I'm not the only oddball who dislikes golf in real life, yet plays it in video game form.
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