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  • No you're NOT entitled to sleep in our lot!

    I've written before about our no overnight parking policy and how around midnight I go to every sleeper van, RV, semi, etc. and ask them to leave. Now, we do have a 24 hour super 'guess what' but they cannot give anyone permission to sleep here as they rent from us and their influence ends at their sidewalk.

    I saw a familiar van. I recognized it as being an elderly SC that I'd had to ask to leave about 2-months ago. He gave me a hard time then, and this time he doubled his efforts! His entire argument hinges on the fact that he shops at the store, which makes him a customer, thus it's his RIGHT to sleep in the parking lot! No, the guy isn't homeless either. He's just an old fart that feels that gives him the right to do whatever he wants.

    So I kept knocking on the van, trying to wake him, yelled, shone my flashlight, nothing was working. 5-min later I decided to call the ambulance; not much I could do as I was not going to try and enter the vehicle. Finally I shook the van and THAT woke him up! I tried to ask him if he was ok, but the second he rolled his window down he began yelling how I keep harassing him and waking him up! I finally got a word in edge-wise and told him that I'd called an ambulance because I couldn't wake him. I began going off on me more! Oh, I was still on the phone with 911 at that point; they heard it all. I reminded him how he was not allowed to sleep here, and he blew a gasket! Pretty much said for me to call whoever I wanted because he wasn't moving! So, 911 changed from an ambulance to an officer to get this guy off our property.

    The Officers showed up and SC is full of righteous fury about how 'this lady' is the only person who harasses him, that he's been bothered by me before and has had enough of it, that I don't show him 'respect,' that he has every right to sleep wherever he wants because HE IS A CUSTOMER!!! and that he'll be calling his lawyer. The Officers pretty much just humored him (it calmed him down anyway), but told him our policies are our policies and that he'll have to talk to a manager about them. They finally got him to leave. They agreed with me that he was a dick.

    So, according to the SC, trying to get someone medical attention, calling them 'sir' and doing your job is disrespectful. I REALLY hope he calls my manager to complain, because there's a nice long report for her to refer to
    "If anyone wants this old box containing the broken bits of my former faith in humanity, I'll take your best offer now. You may be able to salvage a few of em' for parts..... " - Quote by Argabarga

  • #2
    Please tell me the super 'whatever' doesn't rhyme with mate or balltart . :P

    and I think you handled it well. Besides, 911 is a WONDERFUL witness. I'd know. <3

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    • #3
      Quoth superhotelworker View Post
      Please tell me the super 'whatever' doesn't rhyme with mate or balltart . :P

      and I think you handled it well. Besides, 911 is a WONDERFUL witness. I'd know. <3
      Weeelllll....It DOES rhyme with all fart!

      In retrospect, I realized something I said to the Operator:

      911: "So, he does not need an ambulance correct?"
      Me: "No, just an attitude adjustment!"
      911: (Laughs)

      Hope they can edit that out!
      "If anyone wants this old box containing the broken bits of my former faith in humanity, I'll take your best offer now. You may be able to salvage a few of em' for parts..... " - Quote by Argabarga

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      • #4
        We'd occasionally get idiots like that at Hechinger's. For whatever reason, some people wanted to sleep in their cars in our lot. Why you'd want to sit in a darkened parking lot and risk getting attacked by thugs (at the time, there had been several gang-related fights in the area)...is beyond me. As such, we'd just tow the bastards.
        Aerodynamics are for people who can't build engines. --Enzo Ferrari

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        • #5
          If he doesn't respond to pounding on the door, the vehicle suddenly lurching and tilting by 45 degrees will get his attention for sure! Not that I'd know anything about that
          - They say nothing good happens at 2AM, they're right, I happen at 2AM.

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          • #6
            I remember one time we were on a road trip and blew tire at 4:30 in the morning. we managed to limp to a wal-mart to wait for them to open (in the automotive area) and told my friends to go wander around walmart and I was gonna catch some ZZ's until the place opened....in 2 hours.

            so I curled up in the back seat and fell asleep only to be awakened by someone knocking on my window (4 door nissian sentra, plain windows could obviously see me inside the car), and asked why I was back here sleeping.

            I calmly explained that we were on a road trip and didn't have money for a hotel but had enough to fix the tire problem, I said I was just waiting for the place to open and wanted to get some sleep.

            Car park security person thingy (don't remember exactly what he was) said that was ok so long as I wasn't here the next night.

            Was I sucky for asking to stay there...it wasn't over night, just a few hours till the place opened and planned on being gone as soon the tire was fixed.
            It is by snark alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of the coffee bean that thoughts acquire 'tude, the lips acquire mouthiness, the glares become a warning.

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            • #7
              I have slept in many parking lots in the Jestermobile, and I don't apologize for it at all.

              I also was never an ass the few times security told me to move along. I moved along. Why? Because I knew that what I was doing might be against their particular policies, and I rolled the dice.

              Now to put this in perspective: it was my 1998-1999 road trip around the country. The Old Jestermobile (just like the New Jestermobile) was an SUV with tinted windows, so if the windshield sun blocker is up, you really can't see into the vehicle. Which means most of the time no one even KNEW I was there. Also, I made it a point to crash in hotel parking lots, where an out-of-state plate wouldn't raise any eyebrows--and (ironically considering the OP) where they would usually have security, so I wouldn't have to worry about the shadier element of the populace.

              I think that, quite honestly, in my 18 months or so on the road, of the scores of times I crashed in such places, I think I got harassed maybe three times total.

              But yeah, the dude in the OP was a dick. You being a customer gives you the right to park in their lot while you are shopping. It does not give you the right to set up camp there. It is, after all, private property, and it sounded like that property was not owned by the all night store, but by a company they rented their property from. So the store had no control over such policies anyway.

              And yes, for those who are wondering, I knew when I crashed in hotel parking lots that it was against their policies. I did it anyway. I wasn't hurting anyone, I wasn't bothering anyone, and if they told me to move, I did. I was just gambling on them not noticing me. And for the vast majority of the time, I won that gamble.

              "The Customer Is Always Right...But The Bartender Decides Who Is
              Still A Customer."

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              • #8
                somehow, i knew that argabarga would beat me to the towing option, darnit!
                look! it's ghengis khan!
                Sorry, but while I can do many things, extracting heads from anuses isn't one of them. (so sayeth the irv)

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                • #9
                  Actually, some Wally World's do allow overnight camping in their parking lots (the campers usually are shopping there, so they feel it improves the bottom line), it's a matter of local ordinances - but corporate policy does allow it if legal in the municipality. So some SC's seem to think it applies everywhere?
                  I will not be pushed, stamped, filed, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered. My life is my own. --#6

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                  • #10
                    Was I sucky for asking to stay there...it wasn't over night, just a few hours till the place opened and planned on being gone as soon the tire was fixed.
                    nope. i mean it's not like your car could easily get to a hotel and it's safer to fix it before trying to drive on it.

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                    • #11
                      If someone is broken down, obviously they can't move so I let it go. The same if I knock on a truck or RV and don't get an answer; nothing I can really do about it. I had a woman kicked-out of her house once; I felt really bad, but we had a really nice conversation (she reminded me of my mom) and she remembered a friend she could go to. There are WMts you can stay at; those are usually advertised as such, which is why we patrol in the event people haven't seen our no parking signs. I try to be nice and direct people to where they can go.

                      Since I know most of the employee vehicles, I check the cars I don't know on the overnights. On cold nights foggy windows clue me in. If the windows are draped with fabric, that's also a clue. If I see the seats reclined, I double check; sometimes people are sleeping, sometimes it's a medical thing, you never know. I'd rather wake them up and be sure.
                      "If anyone wants this old box containing the broken bits of my former faith in humanity, I'll take your best offer now. You may be able to salvage a few of em' for parts..... " - Quote by Argabarga

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                      • #12
                        Quoth Captain Trips View Post
                        Actually, some Wally World's do allow overnight camping in their parking lots (the campers usually are shopping there, so they feel it improves the bottom line), it's a matter of local ordinances - but corporate policy does allow it if legal in the municipality. So some SC's seem to think it applies everywhere?
                        Yep. I know several people who have a RV and if on a long trip or in unfamiliar areas will park in a Wall World lot. If asked to move on, they will. If not they will usually find some excuse to buy something in the AM,such as a coffee or some supplies or groceries as a informal thanks for letting me crash in you parking lot.

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                        • #13
                          I didn't mention that the mall owns the property; we do all the maintenance of the lots, etc. WM rents the space from us, thus their influence ends at the sidewalk. That's why they have no authority to give people permission to stay. It's an unusual circumstance for a super WM, which again is why security is there, to inform people.
                          "If anyone wants this old box containing the broken bits of my former faith in humanity, I'll take your best offer now. You may be able to salvage a few of em' for parts..... " - Quote by Argabarga

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                          • #14
                            When I was living out of my car Walmart (while they allowed overnight parking) called the police who threatened to tow my car with me in it.

                            edit: well it might have been walmarts security rent a cops or whatever. Everyone looks like a cop when its 5AM and you think someones about to murder you.
                            Thou shalt not take the name of thy goddess Whiskey in vain.

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