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  • Nipples and other tales from the con.

    Once again, I proved my insanity by working Nan Desu Kan's prop check table (we have a policy about taking props into the Dealer's Room). Every year, I think the horror stories of this site are myths, until I work cons. The names have been changed because I don't care enough to remember their names.

    As a volunteer, please remember that you have no authority and answer to us

    Most of our volunteers were alright, but one sticks out in my head as just horrible. I dubbed this individual Pasties (Originally called Nipples until one of us accidentally called him it to his face, and he liked it). The reason he was given the monikers was for his cosplay, Kamina from Gurren Lagann.

    This ordinarily would not be so bad, if it weren't for the fact that he wore nothing under the cape (and let me tell you, he was not built for it), despite convention rules that reads as such:
    All costumers must have a torso covering. Despite the double standard created by our society at large, in the interest of fairness to both sexes, we must insist that both genders wear appropriate torso coverings. Meaning at least a sports bra’s worth of covering on top for girls and some sort of shirt or vest for guys. If you have questions, please ask.

    From the getgo I had an issue with this individual. Apparently someone told him bandaids are ok, that's fine I don't have an issue with this, however, the bandaids he used were flesh colored and nipple size. We wound up sticking pieces of tape to his nipples (we should have done duct tape now that I Think about it). That's only issue number one.

    Issue number two is that he did not listen to the staff proper. We put him on line duty and told him repeatedly not to run up and down yelling at attendees, and if you guess what he did, well, you don't win anything, but well done.

    Issue number three! The typical process for becoming staff is to work at least two years as a volunteer, putting in 16 hours each year, in addition to getting a staff recommendation. Pasties really wanted to be staff, going so far as to ask one of us, "Hey, I have to go because my girlfriend is being a bitch, I've only worked 6 hours, but could you recommend me for staff?"

    If you don't listen to me again, you're not getting back in there, and you may have your badge punched

    We have a policy that says that all weapons/big props must be peace tied as a record of a verbal contract saying that we had the talk with them about prop safety. Normally what I've done at prop check in the past is if it's not peace tied, I let them in, on the grounds that they will go peace tie it after they come out. After seeing the same props come back three times still not peace tied, I decided they had to go right then and there if they wanted to shop again.

    I understand you don't want to leave it here, but if you can't put it away, you can't bring it in there.

    We've got another policy regarding photography in the Dealer's Room, it's not allowed. A) There are copyright issues, and B) people taking pictures take up way too much space as they just stand there with their camera. In the past, we've let cameras in provided they are kept off, however, we had so many issues this year, that we had to have our attendees either put them away, or leave them at prop check.

    There were two notable incidents over this. The first came in the form of an attendee who didn't want to give his camera up, which is understandable, but upon being told that if we saw it in there, we would confiscate it, he threatened to sue us if we tried (yes, let one man's lawyer take on the team of lawyers that comes with being one of the top ten anime cons in the country).

    The second came from a press person who was caught recording in the Dealer's Room. When questioned about it she pointed at two people, one on door, and one behind prop check, saying that one of them said it was ok, which I know the both of them well enough to know that they wouldn't have done it. What was said that it had better stay off and facing away. I only wish that I had been there (I'd just popped off to the restroom at the time) so I'd have been able to hopefully sort it out before it became such a big problem.

    I thought this was a myth!

    When we close up Dealer's Room we clear the entire hallway leading up to it. Despite the empty hallway, and team of people blocking the hallway and shouting that the Dealer's Room is closed and would reopen the next morning (I even had a megaphone for this), we had people come up in the 10 seconds between announcements and try to get through.





    The worst part, the camera policy was plastered all over the place leading up to Dealer's Room, as were hours, and the peace tying was listed everywhere that convention rules are. Customers truly don't read. Well, got 9 months to recover. Least next year, I'll actually have the authority of a Lieutenant instead of just acting Lieutenant.
    Pretend there's something here that sounds insightful, but is really just some pseudo-intellectual bull.

  • #2
    Skrae, I know exactly how you feel. I work the art show for several conventions (including being assistant director for one). Don't even get me started on "Bagzilla."
    "If your day is filled with firefighting, you need to start taking the matches away from the toddlers…” - HM

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    • #3
      Bagzilla? I know you said not to get me started, but I'm curious now.
      Pretend there's something here that sounds insightful, but is really just some pseudo-intellectual bull.

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      • #4
        I don't quite understand your explanation about peace tying. You were letting them say "oh, I'll do it later?" I thought that the general idea behind that was that it had to be done right then.

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        • #5
          Correct. Prop Check is just a station that functions like a coat check, but instead of coats, we check props. There is another station that does peace tying, and rather than have them walk halfway across the hotel and back, I was letting them in and telling them to do it when they came back out to try to be a nice guy, but unfortunately they took advantage of that, so I had to stop.
          Pretend there's something here that sounds insightful, but is really just some pseudo-intellectual bull.

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          • #6
            I'm pretty sure I've encountered Bagzilla (I was only an innocent bystander, not the target of her wrath). Bagzilla is the attendee who WILL NOT be parted from his/her backpack, tote bag, shopping bag, or other prohibited carrying device large enough to stick convention merchandise into. Bagzilla will rant, cuss, threaten, and stonewall anyone who tries to deny him access to the con with the precious bag.

            Extra suckiness points if the whole thing is set off by a simple request to merely check the bag's contents for prohibited items (weapons, cameras, alcohol, etc.).
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            • #7
              Quoth EvilEmpryss View Post
              I'm pretty sure I've encountered Bagzilla (I was only an innocent bystander, not the target of her wrath). Bagzilla is the attendee who WILL NOT be parted from his/her backpack, tote bag, shopping bag, or other prohibited carrying device large enough to stick convention merchandise into. Bagzilla will rant, cuss, threaten, and stonewall anyone who tries to deny him access to the con with the precious bag.

              Extra suckiness points if the whole thing is set off by a simple request to merely check the bag's contents for prohibited items (weapons, cameras, alcohol, etc.).
              Bingo. The arts show(s) I'm at have the rule of no carrying item larger than a greeting card, so pretty much everything has to be checked. You'd be amazed at how many people throw a fit over this. But after having art, jewelry, etc... walk from the show, I don't make exceptions. Well, ok. That's not entirely true. I will make exceptions for artists who are using said carrying device to bring in art, and then they get an escort.

              Cameras and camera phones are another sticking point. The shows say no cameras, but with camera phones, it's getting hard to make the distinction anymore. We're still discussing how to handle that. I'm trying to stay out of it, since as an AD, I need to be reachable, but I don't have a radio. So, the phone stays with me....
              "If your day is filled with firefighting, you need to start taking the matches away from the toddlers…” - HM

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              • #8
                Ah, we don't really have Bagzilla for the reason that we don't require bags to be checked outside Dealer's, certainly got the Propzilla of course, though it wasn't too bad this year. Because of how many issues we had, we did make people put their phones away while inside.

                The camera policy went from "It needs to be off," to "Make sure you don't look like you're taking a picture," to "We need you to either put it away, leave it with us, or leave it in your room," to "We need you to put your camera phones away too."
                Pretend there's something here that sounds insightful, but is really just some pseudo-intellectual bull.

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                • #9
                  My buddy Jackal would have obeyed the camera rules, despite his being a semi-professional photographer (I think-- been a while since I talked to him). He's pretty laidback and easy-going.

                  One year, he had one of the most clever costumes I'd ever seen. The year before, he'd done a half-white-clad/half-black-clad Sephiroth (complete with half-white/half-black wig), and so I saw him this one year, apparently dressed in standard civilian clothes, and said, "No costume?"

                  "Oh, I'm wearing a costume!" He pulls the collar of his shirt down, revealing a familiar red-and-blue uniform... "I'm Peter Parker!"

                  I laughed, and had to admit that was pretty clever.
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                  • #10
                    Ah, so cool to hear from other con people on these forums.

                    Every year, I'm the guy that gets to answer the myriad prop questions on the Anime Central forums. For the most part, they're nice, but every once in a while you get someone who JUST WON'T GET IT. Working prop check at the actual con is one of my favorite things to do, though (even though I don't get to do it unless I help out during my breaks).

                    Bonus points: I once had a guy dresed as Link come up to prop check with an all-self-made perfectly-done Master Sword and Master Shield, gleaming in the light. Unfortunately, it was made of metal, and ACen doesn't allow any live steel.
                    Me: "Um, wow. That's perhaps the coolest prop I've ever seen. Unfortunately, it's against the rules. Before you go put it away in your car or room, can I get a picture with you and it? And I think the rest of Security might want a picture too..."
                    Luckily the guy was very cool about it, which I am not so sure I would be if I had worked that hard on those props...
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                    • #11
                      Next summer I'm security staff at my home con up in Maine for the first time. I'm actually really looking forward to it, truth be told. The stories I expect to have will likely be plentiful as I hang with the security staff and see the sorts of people I'll have to deal with. Druggies at the con rave, anyone?
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                      • #12
                        Getting around the issue of camera phones can be tricky. I have noticed here in Oz that alot of venues now have "No Recording equipment" signs. This covers cameras, phones, iPods, etc.......
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                        • #13
                          I can't believe I forgot about the metal weapons! Despite the constant reminders regarding metal weapons, I had two come to prop check. One was a kunai that I didn't realize was metal until I accidentally knocked it up against something and it made a distinct clang (our executive director happened to walk by when I noticed so I pulled him aside and he waited for the person to come back ), the other was before we opened, we had someone come up and ask if they could leave it with us since he checked out already, and along came our awesome security guys, who I pulled aside and asked what to do about it since he didn't have a room.

                          Funniest part about the second? He had wrapped a wire hanger around it to try and piece bind it (as opposed to peace tie, notice the spelling). Within 5 seconds of asking to see it, I had it open and the blade exposed.
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                          • #14
                            Quoth Skrae View Post
                            "We need you to put your camera phones away too."
                            Show me an Android phone, WinMo phone, hell, a BLACKBERRY made in the past four years that doesn't have a camera. And these are the types of phones people need for their jobs. What if they happen to be on call? Are they not allowed in the dealer room, period, then? It wasn't long ago that I went out of my way to find a device with bluetooth BUT NOT a camera... and FAILED. I bought the Moto e815, which has a camera. Thankfully it never became an issue. (If you're curious, I bought a BB Pearl since then, and have a Droid 1 now. Still cameras... and I'm just now getting into actually using it. But if you say no photography, hey, I'm gonna keep that in mind, and not turn on the camera.)

                            I can see your issue, but the solution isn't wholesale banning the vast, vast majority of smartphones just because of industry trends. If I saw this kind of language in the rules for a con I was interested in, I'd outright boycott the con.
                            Last edited by roothorick; 09-14-2010, 02:48 AM.

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                            • #15
                              Perhaps the wholesale banning of camera phones isn't the answer, but the OP isn't in any position to change the rules. And if someone was on-call for their job I don't think they'd be at a convention, at least not if they can't be away from their phone for however long they're in the dealer room.
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