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  • The budget is a lie

    This be my first story here. I do a lot of freelancing - mostly article writing, and I've found that people expect exceptional, error-free work that will pass Copyscape (a.k.a. is totally original) for next to nothing. And I do work through a freelance site called "F-Desk" (not the real name) where you need to write cover letters, send resumes and samples, get interviewed and enter into contracts for the work. Good source for work, but the clients are some of the cheapest bastards I've ever seen.

    Case in point...I'm desperate for work, so I did work for some guy at $2.00 per article because his budget was only $20.00. He referred me to his colleague, who I'll refer to as "Prick" from here on out. Prick said he wanted me to write for him and sent me an interview invitation. The job seemed awesome - forty-seven articles and a $500.00 budget. That would be the highest-paying writing job I've ever had, so I accepted the interview, sent samples, and placed a bid that was less than Prick's budget, but still three figures since that's a lot of writing he wanted done.

    Prick messaged me to say that he was expecting me to do work for $2.00 an article like I did for his colleague. And then I started to rage - why post such a large budget when you aren't willing to pay it? Methinks it was just to attract people and then talk them down in rate. Prick said he'd be willing to reduce the article list from 47 to 15 and pay me more than Colleague...two whole bucks more. He acted as if he was doing me a favor by giving me four dollars per article. Yes, I know it was my fault for marketing myself as "the person who will write loads of articles super cheap," but if you want people to do cheap work, reflect that in your budget. Grr.

    I think this guy was a scammer...he told me what the up-front payment would be (since it was fixed-rate work and I always ask partial payment) rather than adhering to the percentage I said I wanted. He also had no verified payment method, didn't pay the up-front payment, and didn't initiate a contract. I'm glad about the latter, because now I don't have to do the bloody work.

    Unfortunately, cheapskates like Prick are the rule on F-Desk rather than the exception. Some clients come right out and say, "If you want more than a buck an hour/50 cents per article, don't bother applying." Let me put it this way...I've been working via F-Desk for over a year and written over 180 articles for various clients. I've made less than $200. That's how cheap these people are.

  • #2
    How large of an article are you talking about here? 500 word, SEO optimized and so on? Either way, you're making only slightly more then a dollar an article with that site (less if there are membership fees or the site gets a cut of the contract.), which really sucks for you.

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    • #3
      OK, clarify something for me here: your work has to pass Copyscape? A plagiarism checker? Why? Are you writing papers for college students?

      If so, while I don't approve, those students ought to be paying you a HECK of a lot more than 2 bucks for something like that.

      As for the other work: you get what you pay for. I am having trouble grasping how anyone could make enough money to justify the time and hassle it creates.
      They say that God only gives us what we can handle. Apparently, God thinks I'm a bad ass.

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      • #4
        Yup...articles, SEO, 400-500 words, sometimes multiple keyword phrases.

        Also, I don't write for college students - it's just bloody everyone who wants writing work done always says "This must pass Copyscape" because they don't want people just copying and pasting. Nope, these special snowflakes want absolutely original material, but they don't want to pay more for it. I guarantee half of them don't even know what Copyscape is - they just think it's work jargon for "This has to be totally original" or they use it to scare people into thinking they'll actually check and see if the articles are plagiarized.

        Unfortunately, until I can find better employment, it's a matter of either asking a reasonable rate and not getting hired/paid at all, or doing a lot of writing for abysmally low prices and making a little money. I hate this, but I don't want to be flat-broke. I can't believe my college actually told people to charge 25 bucks an hour for freelance work - obviously, they are not doing Earth freelancing.

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        • #5
          Quoth Panacea View Post
          OK, clarify something for me here: your work has to pass Copyscape? A plagiarism checker? Why? Are you writing papers for college students?

          If so, while I don't approve, those students ought to be paying you a HECK of a lot more than 2 bucks for something like that.
          I knew plenty of people in college who would pay $20 or more for papers. My roommate junior year kept paying some girl $40 to do his papers.
          "I've found that when you want to know the truth about someone, that someone is probably the last person you should ask." - House

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          • #6
            Quoth Greenday View Post
            I knew plenty of people in college who would pay $20 or more for papers. My roommate junior year kept paying some girl $40 to do his papers.
            That makes a lot more sense . . . more in line from what I remember when I was in college.
            They say that God only gives us what we can handle. Apparently, God thinks I'm a bad ass.

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            • #7
              Ohh I know college students will pay a lot just to not have to write their papers. I checked out a website dedicated specifically to writing academic papers and some students were offering up hundreds - and even thousands - of dollars to have someone write their dissertations.

              Hell, when I was in college (about a year ago), my friend and I would be rooting through his dorm room for change so he could get a bottle of soda. Where are these students getting this kind of money to pay writers? I'm guessing for some, the Bank of Mom and Dad has a 24-hour ATM and no withdrawal limit.

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              • #8
                If you are doing all this work and not getting paid more than a trivial amount for it, just stop and find some hours at even a minimum wage McJob. Selling your work for that cheap is just a waste of your time. You aren't gaining any useful experience, you're earning nearly nothing, and you are devaluing any future work you may produce. (Seriously, can you use this SEO junk as a reference or part of a real portfolio?) Once you have a McJob lined up, take the time you would be spending on this crap work and instead use it to either find fewer, better, writing jobs or doing something you actually enjoy. Because life is too short to spend it earning a buck an hour doing work you hate.

                Twenty-five bucks an hour is a perfectly reasonable rate (actually, I'd say it was pretty low) for the kind of work your professors were training you to produce. That's not to say that those jobs are easy to find...

                SirWired

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                • #9
                  Quoth ShadowBall View Post
                  I'm guessing for some, the Bank of Mom and Dad has a 24-hour ATM and no withdrawal limit.
                  bingo. sometimes you get more altruistic cheaters who are working 2 jobs and raising a kid while going to school and legitimately don't have much time to squeeze in a 25 page paper on the civil war. For the most part, mommy's pocketbook is covering it.

                  If I thought it wasn't against school policy (not sure) i'd pimp out my writing. I got a B on a "essay analysis" paper on an article I never read.
                  Thou shalt not take the name of thy goddess Whiskey in vain.

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                  • #10
                    I pimped out my typing skills while hanging out at my boyfriend's college.

                    I didn't do any writing, and precious little in the way of editing. But I made a pretty penny just putting stuff into a format they could turn in.

                    ^-.-^
                    Faith is about what you do. It's about aspiring to be better and nobler and kinder than you are. It's about making sacrifices for the good of others. - Dresden

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                    • #11
                      I can make my own stuff. Otherwise, I couldn't really be a novelist. What I need is an editor I can afford.
                      Customers should always be served . . . to the nearest great white.

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                      • #12
                        Oh don't get me wrong, I love to write and I enjoy writing articles...I just hate that when I write for most clients, I hardly make anything.

                        And trust me, I've been on the lookout for a job (either in my field of study or just in general) and I'm not having much luck at all. No one is hiring where I live, I have a very, very limited job history, and I can't afford to move anywhere else. It's just a really shitty living and financial situation all around. If I could find a more reliable job, I wouldn't be freelancing...but until I find a McJob, I'm stuck doing cheap writing. People run for the hills when I apply for design positions and mention a contract and an up-front payment; oh noez, I've thwarted their plans to mooch free work off me!

                        Also, I do include some of my articles in my writing portfolio.

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                        • #13
                          Quoth Whiskey View Post
                          If I thought it wasn't against school policy (not sure) i'd pimp out my writing. I got a B on a "essay analysis" paper on an article I never read.
                          It is. If you get caught, you can get expelled from school.

                          Quoth ShadowBall View Post
                          Ohh I know college students will pay a lot just to not have to write their papers. I checked out a website dedicated specifically to writing academic papers and some students were offering up hundreds - and even thousands - of dollars to have someone write their dissertations.

                          Hell, when I was in college (about a year ago), my friend and I would be rooting through his dorm room for change so he could get a bottle of soda. Where are these students getting this kind of money to pay writers? I'm guessing for some, the Bank of Mom and Dad has a 24-hour ATM and no withdrawal limit.
                          Wow. I'd love to be a fly on the wall when they're doing their defense. When I wrote my master's thesis, I had to turn in my first chapter for approval before I could finish the rest. When it was done, my committee (3 profs plus my adviser) grilled me on my thesis, and I do mean grilled. Cripsy. But I managed to get through and got an A

                          I can't imagine trying to defend something I didn't write.

                          I was lucky in a way, while in school. I had my LPN to live on while I was getting my history degree, plus I had a grant (tuition free plus a stipend). I wasn't rolling in cash, but I was quite comfortable compared to most grad students.
                          They say that God only gives us what we can handle. Apparently, God thinks I'm a bad ass.

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                          • #14
                            Shadowball, I hate to say this, but you're killing yourself over nothing.

                            You're in college, yes? You have writing skills, yes? Go apply at the college paper. They'll pay more. I wrote for my college paper and got $10 per article, and those were 1988 dollars--and I got paid weekly and got a byline.

                            You may also want to contact your local (non-college) paper about stringing assignments. You do things like go to town meetings and write up a story or two. I did that for awhile, too (I covered the cable commission during a time when the town hated the cable company)--got $15 or so per article, sometimes managing two articles per meeting, and got a real byline and clips out of it. If you're really a good writer, propose a weekly column to the local paper. I did, and I make essentially a tank of gas every week for 500 words.

                            There are other options out there--and these other options often pay you what you deserve, or at least more than f&*k you money.

                            Seriously, my friend, you deserve better. I tried a couple of those sites like you're talking about and I cashed out of them pronto, Tonto. I don't touch a key for less than five cents a word.
                            Enjoy my latest stupid quest for immortality. http://1001plus.blogspot.com/

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                            • #15
                              Listen to the Monkey. Is a smart Monkey.

                              Also, with you working so cheap, it sets a standard and makes it harder for you (and anyone else in your area) to make any more.

                              ^-.-^
                              Faith is about what you do. It's about aspiring to be better and nobler and kinder than you are. It's about making sacrifices for the good of others. - Dresden

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