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  • #16
    David Roth (the unfamous one) does a song "Air of the Dog" where a masseur apologizes to a customer for the dog under the table...


    And the customer (not one of ours) says, "Uh, that was me."
    I am not an a**hole. I am a hemorrhoid. I irritate a**holes!
    Procrastination: Forward planning to insure there is something to do tomorrow.
    Derails threads faster than a pocket nuke.

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    • #17
      I'm never like that with my publishers. I'm quite respectful. It seems to work better for getting things done that way than getting irate or hostile does. But then, my big problem is I never have the money for a proper editor.
      Customers should always be served . . . to the nearest great white.

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      • #18
        Here's a question...how much self-editing (I consider myself a generally good proofreader/editor) is good before one sends one's book off to a publisher for consideration?
        My Guide to Oblivion

        "I resent the implication that I've gone mad, Sprocket."

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        • #19
          Enough to make the book print-ready, not so much as to lose all the spirit and flavour.

          Yeah, it's a rough balance.
          Seshat's self-help guide:
          1. Would you rather be right, or get the result you want?
          2. If you're consistently getting results you don't want, change what you do.
          3. Deal with the situation you have now, however it occurred.
          4. Accept the consequences of your decisions.

          "All I want is a pretty girl, a decent meal, and the right to shoot lightning at fools." - Anders, Dragon Age.

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          • #20
            I'd say edit for coherency - maybe even run it by someone else if you write like me. I tend to forget to say things because they've been in my head for so long that I just assume people know, when they don't. Check grammar/spelling as well. Don't get too into editing style though, if you do that for too long it'll become dry (overworked).

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            • #21
              I've just got a lot of cleaning up to do after Nano, is all...
              My Guide to Oblivion

              "I resent the implication that I've gone mad, Sprocket."

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              • #22
                Quoth BookBint View Post
                He wrote a book about the Boer War. 234x156mm hardback. Very dull. Although after I was done with it, very grammatically correct.
                The Boer War(s) is/are one of the most boring wars to read about to start with, IMHO (and I love military history). It won't help if the author made the dull even more so.

                Quoth Dave1982 View Post
                Mai Tai

                1 oz. Light rum
                1 oz. Gold rum
                1/2 oz. Orange curaçao
                1/2 oz orgeat syrup
                1/3 oz simple syrup
                1/2 oz fresh lime juice

                Shake with ice. Strain into an ice filled glass. Float 1/2 oz dark rum (optional). Garnish with mint sprig, pineapple wedge, and cherry.

                Repeat as necessary.
                Hmmmmm.. Sounds wonderful.
                They say that God only gives us what we can handle. Apparently, God thinks I'm a bad ass.

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                • #23
                  Quoth BookBint View Post
                  ARGH ARGH ARGH ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                  Doesn't bide well. If YOU post a long sequence of exclamation marks, it must be bad. Real bad.
                  Quoth BookBint View Post
                  I am this close to renting a machete (I only need it for a few hours, why buy one?) and going to town on one of my authors.
                  Good plot for a novel... Hmm... OK, short story. Very short.
                  Quoth BookBint View Post
                  It appears that with every book he got worse and worse. He shall do no more books with us. Some co-workers think he is actually becoming a little unbalanced, but I think he's just really nasty.
                  Ah, the thin line between someone who can't see sense and someone who won't... the former should be understood, supported and they should never publish books, while the latter should be bashed on their heads with volumes of the Encyclopaedia Britannica. And should never publish books.
                  Quoth BookBint View Post
                  His manuscript was two months late, even though he was repeatedly rung and emailed to remind him to hand it in. He kept saying it was finished but he was tweaking it.
                  ...wouldn't there already be a reason not to publish the darned thing, here? From what you wrote it's not that his book will end uyp in the bestsellers list any time soon...
                  Quoth BookBint View Post
                  I wanted to tell him that intended to rip it apart anyway in the editing process...
                  ...and probably now you would like to tear it apart phisically as well...
                  Quoth BookBint View Post
                  He was contracted to provide 40 colour pictures. He was three months late giving us any.
                  Strike two.
                  Quoth BookBint View Post
                  That's what he called me on the phone several times until I made a point of telling him I didn't like it. I am 25. I don't wear my hair in pigtails anymore.
                  ...and I am sure that you do have a name, and that he knows it. I mean, it seems likely that you do, doesn't it
                  Quoth BookBint View Post
                  to make sure this happens, we tell all our authors exactly this. No room for error.
                  ...
                  We told him this, and he yells that he refuses to do them again.
                  What a wanjerk[TM].
                  Quoth BookBint View Post
                  He wants a picture of himself on the back cover.
                  Tell him he can paste one there himself, on his author's copies.
                  Quoth BookBint View Post
                  His contract states he has to provide an index, or accept that we take money from his advance to pay to have one compiled for him. He refused to do one. Fine, we pay a freelancer, and the finance department take the cost out of his final advance payment. When he gets the cheque he rings up demanding why it's less than it should be? I tell him. He rages that we've stolen from him.
                  So, if he doesn't respect the terms of the contract (relative to pictures size/quality and deadlines) it is fine, and if you make him respects OTHER parts of the same you are BAAAAAAAD people, right?
                  Quoth BookBint View Post
                  Because the manuscript was two months late and the pictures were three months late, we had to move the book's publication date back 2 months.
                  I am thinking that he got a blinkin' good deal off yous.
                  Quoth BookBint View Post
                  When he realises it won't be out for Christmas he has a massive fit and writes angry letters
                  ...because we ALL want a book about the Boer War for Christmas.
                  Maybe you can suggest him to pospone it until NEXT Christmas?
                  Quoth BookBint View Post
                  I need a drink.
                  First five rounds on me.
                  Quoth CrazedClerkthe2nd View Post
                  Wow what a douche. I promise you BB, WHEN (not if) I ever get published, I'll seem like a dream customer to work with.
                  Seconded!
                  Quoth NateTheChops View Post
                  Bookbint, you know you yourself could write a whole book on this. How not to be an author. I guarantee it sells millions.
                  ...as long as you mention the Boer War, somehow.
                  No, seriously.
                  I'd buy one copy for myself and at least one for my sister.
                  Quoth Kristev View Post
                  I'm never like that with my publishers. I'm quite respectful. It seems to work better for getting things done that way than getting irate or hostile does.
                  Yep. And that's why you post here instead of being posted about.
                  FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC

                  You're not a unique snowflake unless you create your own mould (Raps)

                  ***GK, Sarcastro, Lupo, LingualMonkey, BookBint, Jester, Irv, Hero & Marlowe fan***

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                  • #24
                    What is this war anyway? I've never heard of it.
                    My Guide to Oblivion

                    "I resent the implication that I've gone mad, Sprocket."

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                    • #25
                      Quoth Tama View Post
                      What is this war anyway?
                      ...maybe something having to do with wild boars? They can be a pest, in some area, you know!
                      FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC

                      You're not a unique snowflake unless you create your own mould (Raps)

                      ***GK, Sarcastro, Lupo, LingualMonkey, BookBint, Jester, Irv, Hero & Marlowe fan***

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                      • #26
                        Quoth BookBint View Post
                        He wrote a book about the Boer War.
                        Sounds like you could write a book about your dealings with this guy, and call it the Boor War!

                        Someone needs to sit this guy down and give him a face-to-face talk about how to work with publishers, and how He's Doing It Wrong. Doubt it'll get through, though.
                        I don't have an attitude problem. You have a perception problem.
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                        • #27
                          I dunno, I've also heard they can be tasty...
                          My Guide to Oblivion

                          "I resent the implication that I've gone mad, Sprocket."

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                          • #28
                            Quoth Panacea View Post
                            The Boer War(s) is/are one of the most boring wars to read about to start with, IMHO (and I love military history). It won't help if the author made the dull even more so.
                            May be better to rename it the 'bore' war?

                            Rapscallion

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                            • #29
                              Quoth Rapscallion View Post
                              May be better to rename it the 'bore' war?

                              Rapscallion
                              The Full Bore (of a Very Small Calibre Mind)

                              or as they may nay say in Canuckia:

                              Boo! Eh?
                              I am not an a**hole. I am a hemorrhoid. I irritate a**holes!
                              Procrastination: Forward planning to insure there is something to do tomorrow.
                              Derails threads faster than a pocket nuke.

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                              • #30
                                Quoth Rapscallion View Post
                                May be better to rename it the 'bore' war?

                                Rapscallion
                                Quoth XCashier View Post
                                Sounds like you could write a book about your dealings with this guy, and call it the Boor War!
                                It's settled then: this guy is a bore and a boor.

                                Quoth Tama View Post
                                What is this war anyway? I've never heard of it.
                                There was actually more than one Boer War. Basically, it was an uprising of Dutch settlers in English colonies in South Africa because the English wanted to outlaw slavery. The Boers won the first one, but had to go back under British rule when they started having problems with the Zulus. The second one was another uprising, one that was far nastier and bloody, and longer. The Brits won again.
                                They say that God only gives us what we can handle. Apparently, God thinks I'm a bad ass.

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