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    Got an email yesterday.

    It was pretty normal. Someone asked about our product and wondered if we had resellers in South Africa. We are on the east coast of North America.

    I said that we do and gave him the name of the two resellers that buy the most from us and also provide good customer service. Told them where each was located and gave links to their web sites.

    Then the guy asked me if the resellers were exclusive or if we sold direct to the public.

    I said that we do sell directly and provide support to the public but I recommend he use either reseller as they can provide service/support in the local time zone and in languages other than English. We'll provide support to any legal regardless of where it was purchased but resellers generally only support licenses they've sold.

    He wanted a quote anyway so I quoted the full retail price. That's standard procedure. We won't undercut our resellers by quoting less that our suggested retail price.

    That's when he mentioned he planned to resell the license and asked what his margin was going to be.

    Shit. I checked his emails again to see if I missed something. Nope. He never mentioned reselling it. He posed as an end user looking for a reseller to find out who his competition was when he was planning to resell it himself. Or maybe he was an end user hoping to find out how much our resellers pay.

    Nevertheless he was now acting as if he *was* a reseller and was entitled to the reseller discount.

    Was he thick? Did he somehow think I'd overlook the fact that he hadn't actually ASKED about becoming a reseller? Or filled out an application?

    Or was he slick? Perhaps he thought that he'd tricked his way into becoming a reseller by asking the right questions in the right order? Or perhaps he was an end user and thought he'd be able to trick me into revealing the margin we give our resellers?

    No way to tell, but I decided to play a little thick myself. I gave him the quote again and innocently provided a link to our public price list so he could stumble upon the fact that the price I'd given him was the retail price.

    I hoped he'd put two and two together and realize the jig was up.

    It didn't quite work out.

    I got this email back:

    "Excuse me. The price you gave US$xxx is what's on your WEB SITE! I asked for MY price so I can know what my margin is."

    Oh, dear. Thick and Slick didn't work so he was going for Prick. I just wrote apologizing that I didn't realize he wanted to apply to become a reseller. Unfortunately we weren't accepting applications for more resellers in South Africa at this time.

    I even tried to sound regretful.

    Haven't heard back from him.

    Huh.
    Last edited by Dips; 12-08-2010, 07:53 PM.
    The best karma is letting a jerk bash himself senseless on the wall of your polite indifference.

    The stupid is strong with this one.

  • #2
    "His" price? Double the normal public retail price
    I speak English, L33t, Sarcasm and basic Idiot.

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    • #3
      *laughs* I love you Dips.

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      • #4
        I even tried to sound regretful.
        Did you succeed?
        I don't go in for ancient wisdom
        I don't believe just 'cause ideas are tenacious
        It means that they're worthy - Tim Minchin, "White Wine in the Sun"

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        • #5
          Quoth Dips View Post
          I even tried to sound regretful.
          I'm so so sorry you're an *********!
          I am not an a**hole. I am a hemorrhoid. I irritate a**holes!
          Procrastination: Forward planning to insure there is something to do tomorrow.
          Derails threads faster than a pocket nuke.

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          • #6
            Ah yes, the "I own a company, so give me an awesome discount" argument. This argument is not exclusive to a particular country and I encounter it quite often here in the US. We love the idea of people buying product from us, but we also prefer selling through our existing distributors. After all, it's their job to drum up local business, spend time setting up new accounts, support the end customer, etc.

            Calling and asking me for wholesale pricing on 2 widgets is not going to get me excited. 50pc or 100pc? I'll take your order, but you're still paying list price. Possibly just a teeny weeny discount. Oooh, I see you're surprised you won't receive the rock-bottom prices that our long-time distributors get who, by the way, buy thousands of widgets a year. And no, telling me there's "potential" for future business isn't going to get me all tingly either. Your sale doesn't even pay my wage for the time I've spent on the phone with you. I'm a nice CSR, so I won't tell you that of course. I'll just keep politely steering you towards our existing distributors.
            A lion however, will only devour your corpse, whereas an SC is not sated until they have destroyed your soul. (Quote per infinitemonkies)

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            • #7
              Quoth BookstoreEscapee View Post
              Did you succeed?
              Well. Mark wasn't fooled, but he knows me.

              After looking it over I think maybe the guy was trying to set up a Nigerian-type scam. He got a response from me because his initial contact mentioned our product by name and didn't raise any other red flags. Such as asking about where we ship and what credit cards we take before asking about the product, for instance.

              Most normal people would be thrilled to have a local vendor. But scammers are always less than thrilled to learn about local suppliers for some reason.

              And that reminds me of another incident. We work with a reseller in Lagos, Nigeria. One time the poor guy overpaid shipping because Mark was in a hurry and overquoted it instead of taking a second to look it up and give him accurate quote.

              So he paid us a couple hundred too much and we had to wire back the extra. We all had a little chuckle about it because it mimicked how one version of the scam goes. The scammer overpays "by accident" and has the victim wire back the excess before the victim finds out the initial payment is no good. Thus the victim is out the goods, the payment AND the money they refunded.

              Only this time it really wasn't a scam. Our poor banker, God bless him, tried to warn us too.
              The best karma is letting a jerk bash himself senseless on the wall of your polite indifference.

              The stupid is strong with this one.

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              • #8
                Quoth bainsidhe View Post
                Ah yes, the "I own a company, so give me an awesome discount" argument. This argument is not exclusive to a particular country and I encounter it quite often here in the US. We love the idea of people buying product from us, but we also prefer selling through our existing distributors. After all, it's their job to drum up local business, spend time setting up new accounts, support the end customer, etc.

                Calling and asking me for wholesale pricing on 2 widgets is not going to get me excited. 50pc or 100pc? I'll take your order, but you're still paying list price. Possibly just a teeny weeny discount. Oooh, I see you're surprised you won't receive the rock-bottom prices that our long-time distributors get who, by the way, buy thousands of widgets a year. And no, telling me there's "potential" for future business isn't going to get me all tingly either. Your sale doesn't even pay my wage for the time I've spent on the phone with you. I'm a nice CSR, so I won't tell you that of course. I'll just keep politely steering you towards our existing distributors.
                Yup, same goes for people I deal with.

                You want to buy 1 or 2? Go to Newegg.

                You want to buy 50 of them? Still Newegg.

                If we're talking 4 or 5 digit orders then yeah, we'll do something special for you. When a retailer orders stuff from us, the bill on the invoice is a 6 or 7 digit number.

                A real retailer (one that is worth the effort to give special favors to) buys stuff by the pallet, not just 1 or 2 widgets.

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                • #9
                  Doesn't sound Thick or Slick to me.. just like a Dick... o0

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                  • #10
                    As a South African, I apologise for the idiot you dealt with. I promise, we're not all like that!
                    The report button - not just for decoration

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                    • #11
                      Indeed. Some, in fact, are quite amazing!
                      "Is it the lie that keeps you sane? Is this the lie that keeps you sane?What is it?Can it be?Ought it to exist?"
                      "...and may it be that I cleave to the ugly truth, rather than the beautiful lie..."

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                      • #12
                        Quoth iradney View Post
                        As a South African, I apologise for the idiot you dealt with. I promise, we're not all like that!
                        No need for an apology, Rads.

                        This jerk was definitely the exception. Our actual customers and resellers in South Africa are always a real pleasure to work with.

                        I love when somebody calls us from South Africa. Such a cool accent.
                        The best karma is letting a jerk bash himself senseless on the wall of your polite indifference.

                        The stupid is strong with this one.

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                        • #13
                          Sounds to me like he was trying to pin you down to a certain price. I get people like that. They try to come across like a private party selling their own car (for just one example) and after I quote some prices, they admit to being a car dealer with 25 cars they want to list. Then they get mad when I tell them the price is different.

                          People think that if they can get you to quote a price, you're obligated to give them that price even if you then learn that they don't qualify for it. And, as we know, they are wrong.
                          When you start at zero, everything's progress.

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                          • #14
                            Quoth Dips View Post
                            I love when somebody calls us from South Africa. Such a cool accent.
                            I always used to confuse the ZA accent with the NZ accent. I eventually realized it was because they both have both Dutch and British influence.

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                            • #15
                              sounds like he was either trying to be a reseller
                              or was trying to scam you into a cheaper price
                              either way he failz0red

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