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  • Why?? Why can't people take responsibility for their choices?

    I know, I know, it’s because they are SCs and it’s in their nature. And yet it still perplexes me…

    I work in a leasing office for an apartment complex. People are allowed to have dogs and cats, but they must report them to the office and get them approved (so we can make sure they aren’t aggressive breeds nixed by our insurance company), pay a pet deposit, and sign a one-page agreement to pay pet rent.

    If someone does get a dog/cat and does not report it and we find out, we send them a notice that basically says they have ten days to communicate with the office, at which time we set a deadline for them to either get rid of the pet or sign the agreement and pay the deposit, which we are even nice enough to break up over a few months if people need it. Yes, the notice is worded in a somewhat scary fashion because it’s a standard legal form used by the American Multihousing Association.

    One special snowflake who recently received a pet compliance notice called the office in a rage because:
    1) He only had the dog for TWO WEEKS before we sent the mean old notice, how rude!
    2) The pet deposit is $300, that’s just outrageous!
    3) His apartment got burglarized and we did NOTHING to compensate him except give him a lousy discount on one utility bill [it happened many moons ago and he still makes this complaint every time he calls the office for anything]!

    My response, though worded more diplomatically:
    1) That was TWO WEEKS that you were in material breach of your lease agreement, douchebag. How long were we supposed to wait before asking you to fulfill the binding legal agreement you signed?
    2) The deposit is lower than most properties and covers up to two pets. I toured places where they want $400 for EACH of my two cats. Nonetheless, if you knew what the pet deposit was and find it to be so outrageous, why the hell did you decide to get a dog?
    3) As has been explained to you by myself and the property manager many, many, many times, OUR LIABILITY INSURANCE DOES NOT COVER YOUR PERSONAL SHIT. It was verbally explained at least twice when you moved in and is additionally stated THREE TIMES in your lease documents that we are not responsible for your belongings, including an *entire page*devoted to the issue of renter’s insurance, which we strongly recommend and only costs like $100 a year… but you, sir, initialed a statement that you chose not to get renter’s insurance at your own risk. The manager gave you that “lousy” discount to shut you up and frankly, if I had been the manager, I would not have done even that. Furthermore, the police agree that your apartment was almost certainly burglarized by someone you knew personally. In fact, it is the only burglary we’ve had in the complex since I’ve lived and worked there, and the local police even recommend us to their friends. I’d say we’ve fulfilled our reasonable obligation to keep the property safe.

    When I explained things nicely to him – including the fact that the pet deposit was partially refundable, and minus my opinion of his lousy discount as well as the part about the police believing the burglar was an acquaintance – he calmed down and, to his credit, thanked me for being helpful. He didn’t exactly apologize, but got as close to an apology as he can get and explained that he had come out swinging because he was in a bad mood from not having a car all last month and it was a crappy time.

    To which I wanted to reply: Perhaps you weren’t aware that I knew this, but you, sir, did not have a car last month because you got your license uber-suspended after your third DUI, chose to drive anyway, and your car was impounded as a consequence when you were caught. But... I just nodded sympathetically, offered my condolences on a lousy month, thanked him for calling and told him to call back if he had any other questions.

    How has this person reached adulthood without learning that things that happen to him are a direct result of his own poor choices? How can you spend so many years deluding yourself into thinking that everything bad that happens to you is someone else’s fault? Christ on a pony.

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    There's a mindset out there that sees rules and regulations not as absolutes, but, points of contention that are to be skillfully avoided and argued around, and anyone who sticks to the black and white letter of the law is being unreasonable because, well, don't they know that everything is supposed to be negotiable????

    Like when I'd tow people for being illegally parked and they'd try to argue that, well, they weren't really parked illegally after all because, well, just because I left the car in a spot where it wasn't allowed doesn't mean anything!
    - They say nothing good happens at 2AM, they're right, I happen at 2AM.

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    • #3
      Oh, geez. I'd really hate to meet this guy in a dark alley. While I'm holding the Intelligence Correction Device. And in a really foul mood.

      I'm still trying to figure out at what point legally binding documents became negotiable after they were signed, though. He chose not to get the renter's insurance, got robbed and complained about not getting comped for it? His fault. He lost his car after his license was revoked? See previous statement. He sneaks a pet in and gets upset when he has to pay for it? Even though the lease he signed said so? Okay, the document was in Legalese but was explained. And he still brings up the burglary every time he has a complaint? What a dick.
      My other car is a Mackinaw.

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      • #4
        I think after some stuff happened in the apartments I lived, it became mandatory on your next year of renting to have a certain amount of renter's insurance with a certain amount covered for property, belongings, etc. Made sense to me; why wouldn't you want it?
        "If anyone wants this old box containing the broken bits of my former faith in humanity, I'll take your best offer now. You may be able to salvage a few of em' for parts..... " - Quote by Argabarga

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        • #5
          I have to agree with LillFilly here. Unless you live in a big crime zone, Renter's Insurance is CHEAP, like 50-75 bucks a year for 30-40k in property loss coverage. Plus if you get it through whoever you have car insurance, the company usually has a multiple-policy discount (in my case, the total of the discounts on both policies pretty much paid for the renter's insurance).

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          • #6
            Quoth Argabarga View Post
            There's a mindset out there that sees rules and regulations not as absolutes, but, points of contention that are to be skillfully avoided and argued around, and anyone who sticks to the black and white letter of the law is being unreasonable because, well, don't they know that everything is supposed to be negotiable????

            Like when I'd tow people for being illegally parked and they'd try to argue that, well, they weren't really parked illegally after all because, well, just because I left the car in a spot where it wasn't allowed doesn't mean anything!
            And also the people who feel that they can do anything as long as they later say, "Sorry," or offer an excuse as to why they, say, MURDERED someone (I had a rough night).
            To seek it with thimbles, to seek it with care;
            To pursue it with forks and hope;
            To threaten its life with a railway share;
            To charm it with forks and hope!

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            • #7
              how did my sister get to your apartment complex and become a man?

              Seriously, except the DUI bit (she doesn't drive but has fainted and been called an ambulance a couple of times when about to take her driving test) it sounds just like her!
              I am so SO glad I was not present for this. There would have been an unpleasant duct tape incident. - Joi

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              • #8
                Quoth Zoe Hates You View Post
                How has this person reached adulthood without learning that things that happen to him are a direct result of his own poor choices? How can you spend so many years deluding yourself into thinking that everything bad that happens to you is someone else’s fault?
                We have hundreds if not thousands of people on the rolls at the place I work that will tell you how it is everybody's fault but theirs that they blew off school when they were younger and can't get a job now.

                Or moved in an abusive boyfriend against contract so that now he falls under a loophole in squatter's rights in this state, and can't be kicked out without a court appearance.

                Or decided to pay their cable bill instead of their rent.

                Or let their kids kick holes in the walls. All of them.

                Or run the showers without curtains until the floor is so rotted you can see the plaster on the celing of the apartment below.

                Sadly, it is not an uncommon P.O.V. for SCs.

                *And, yes, all those I have seen the photos or heard personally since I've worked here.
                The Rich keep getting richer because they keep doing what it was that made them rich. Ditto the Poor.
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                • #9
                  My renter's insurance went from $75 a year in 07-09 to $90 last year. I wonder if it's because these places just get older and older and are becoming hazardous or something!
                  You really need to see a neurologist. - Wagegoth

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                  • #10
                    Quoth Zoe Hates You View Post
                    2) The deposit is lower than most properties and covers up to two pets. I toured places where they want $400 for EACH of my two cats.
                    We got lucky. Our pet deposit for our cat was only $50, and no extra rental fee.

                    Quoth Zoe Hates You View Post
                    How can you spend so many years deluding yourself into thinking that everything bad that happens to you is someone else’s fault?
                    It starts with sucky parents. After a while (by 30 at the latest), anything they still can’t cope with is their own problem.

                    ^-.-^
                    Faith is about what you do. It's about aspiring to be better and nobler and kinder than you are. It's about making sacrifices for the good of others. - Dresden

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                    • #11
                      Oh Gods, I just remembered that my apartment had a $400 pet deposit PER CAT/DOG! And my Roommate wanted to bring 4-cats... You got it all back though if there was no damage.
                      "If anyone wants this old box containing the broken bits of my former faith in humanity, I'll take your best offer now. You may be able to salvage a few of em' for parts..... " - Quote by Argabarga

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                      • #12
                        More reasons why I am SO glad that I am a homeowner with no HOA -- no pet deposits, I can paint the house any color I like, no hassles of "well, we have no idea what you stuffed down the drain to make it clog, so naturally it's your fault and you, the tenant, will have to pay for it."

                        Now I at least know I have to pay for pet damage, clogged sewer lines, etc. Yes, it's money out of my pocket, but at least it's without argument! (And I like having my two dogs and two cats around, they give a house a nice, homey touch.)
                        I will not be pushed, stamped, filed, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered. My life is my own. --#6

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                        • #13
                          Quoth UncleImpy View Post
                          I have to agree with LillFilly here. Unless you live in a big crime zone, Renter's Insurance is CHEAP, like 50-75 bucks a year for 30-40k in property loss coverage. Plus if you get it through whoever you have car insurance, the company usually has a multiple-policy discount (in my case, the total of the discounts on both policies pretty much paid for the renter's insurance).
                          That's been my experience as well. My renter's insurance was somewhere around the same, and it essentially paid for itself because of the discount I got on my car insurance. I've had renter's insurance on every place I've ever rented, and never had to make a claim, so my rates were really, really low.

                          Like Capt. Trips I'm also glad to now be in the ranks of a homeowner and not have to play mother may I with landlords over pets and color choices. My last landlord charged $250 for the pet deposit per pet, and wanted an additional pet rent as well (I think it was somewhere around $25-30/mo extra).

                          While it may not seem like very much, the idea of pet rent offends me. I wouldn't have to pay extra rent if I had a roommate, so paying it for a pet is outrageous. I didn't have a problem with the pet deposit, however.
                          They say that God only gives us what we can handle. Apparently, God thinks I'm a bad ass.

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                          • #14
                            Quoth ZedOmega View Post
                            Oh, geez. I'd really hate to meet this guy in a dark alley. While I'm holding the Intelligence Correction Device. And in a really foul mood.
                            No you wouldn't. I daresay you'd enjoy it very much. Might even get carried away and start singing, "beat on the brat with a baseball bat, oh yeah..."

                            That "not my fault" mindset is baffling. Did someone hold a gun to your head and force you to make the bad choice? No? Then it bloody well IS your fault! Put on your grown-up panties and deal with it!
                            I don't have an attitude problem. You have a perception problem.
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                            • #15
                              Quoth XCashier View Post
                              No you wouldn't. I daresay you'd enjoy it very much. Might even get carried away and start singing, "beat on the brat with a baseball bat, oh yeah..."
                              Yeah, but then you'd have the whole 'run from the police' thing, and I suck at parkour.
                              My other car is a Mackinaw.

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