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  • Strange obsessions

    Yay it's 3am and I can't sleep. Bored out of my skull, don't want to work any more, so I share stories of the strangeness that I regularly encounter.

    As many of you know I make costumes, plushes, and other fuzzy things as my main business. However as you may not know I also draw. The drawing is a hobby, not an occupation. I do not have what it takes to make real money drawing. The people who do have my admiration, but they're also a little bit crazy, imho. It is HARD, and the competition is insane.

    Anyhow, lately I've been doing this thing where I offer a huge discount on the price of a drawing if you let me decide all the fiddly details. So instead of getting a list of exactly how they want it a mile long and having to go back and forth with sketches forever until they're happy, they just say what species and what color palette they want, and I draw it, and present the finished product, no revisions allowed. (It's a bit more involved than that, but I'll spare you the details.)

    I do this because it's fun. It doesn't pay worth beans, I haven't sat down and timed myself, but if I'm making more than $3 an hour on these things I'd be shocked. But I enjoy them, so I usually have a few on my plate at any given moment.

    That's the TL-DR background. The actual story:

    I did a particular deal where if you wanted a dragon you could get a series of drawings, showing your dragon as an egg, hatching, a baby, a child, an adult, and an ancient dragon. Fun stuff, I love doing those. So this gal I sort of vaguely know from livejournal commissions a set of them. In her original message she emphasizes rather over-much that she wants to be sure these drawings are clean. They need to be child-safe. No genitals showing. She wants to be able to show them to her daughters, so they absolutely must be clean.

    I'm honestly a little puzzled by this, because 99% of my work is completely, utterly, absolutely clean and child-safe, and even the last 1% isn't exactly porno. I think there's one little doodle that's kind of steamy that I did for my husband in there, and a pin-up sketch, both of which show nothing, and a few nudes that show nipples, that's pretty much it. But eh, whatever, maybe she's been burned by somebody on this subject before. I can recall once asking for a tasteful nude and getting a hilarious full-frontal comedy-pinup instead, gigantic hooters and all. (Which honestly I didn't mind because the laugh I got out of it was totally worth the price!) So whatever, it happens, I won't be insulted. So I promise that yes, they'll all be clean, no worries, and start drawing.

    So the egg was no problem, but when I posted the hatching one, she commented and reminded me that the next one needed to not show any genitals. I bristled a bit at that. Hadn't I promised her they would be clean? Wasn't my word good enough? But okay, fine, whatever, I calmed myself down enough to respond politely that yes, the next one would be clean. Which it was. And which was her response when she saw it, that she was glad the genitals weren't showing.

    The one after that she said she liked it, with no mention of "genitals", so I thought we were good. But the following drawing, her only comment was that she was happy I had posed it so that the wings hid the genitals. *facepalm* I told her, a bit sharply, that being a reptile this thing HAD no external genitals to hide, and could she please quit talking about this all the time? I was getting kind of uncomfortable at this point, tbh. I have never discussed genitals so much in my life. It was creeping me out. Why was this person so obsessed? I've never met anybody who expended so much effort thinking about genitals who wasn't trying to get me to draw porn! The whole thing was pretty darn creepy.

    The problem was that by the time I realized what a nut this girl was, I'd already drawn and inked the final drawing, it just needed color. And the final pose I'd chosen was, well... it was the dragon rearing up on its hind legs and roaring. As seen from the front. Its (completely genital free) crotch area was visible! No wings over it, no top-down pose to hide it, nothing at all to cover the shameful, awful, mind-scarring sight... of nothing at all. I mean have you ever looked at a reptile's underside? There's nothing there! With snakes you often can't even tell where the genital opening is hidden at all! And not being obsessed with the subject I hadn't even had the thought cross my mind that showing a blank crotch could be construed as somehow obscene.

    I still rather hoped for sanity, I have to say. I hoped that when she saw that the thing was effectively sexless she'd give up her weird obsession with its genitals and just be happy with the art.

    Sadly this was not to be, for when she saw the final picture, she told me she didn't like it, and she wanted me to draw it over in a different pose. To my great relief she did not rabbit on about its genitals, but I'm absolutely certain that's what she didn't like about the pose.

    Thankfully it's spelled out in the terms of these things that there are no revisions, so I told her she could take it or leave it, but I wasn't doing it over. She took it, and that's the last I've heard from her. Thank heavens!

    Dunno if you call that sucky, quite, but it was one of the more bizarre transactions I've had.
    The best advice is this: Don't take advice and don't give advice. ~Author Unknown

    Nobody can give you wiser advice than yourself. ~Cicero

    See the fuzzy - http://bladespark.livejournal.com/

  • #2
    It's almost as if she wanted you to draw them, the way she protested so much..
    I am the nocturnal echo-locating flying mammal man.

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    • #3
      Gotta love those customers that kinda straight line onto one particular thing.

      I had the opposite to that lady once...
      BG: I do world of warcraft character art on commission and on rare occasion I offer to do adult themed pictures, but even than it's straight out told that it'll be soft core, or at least tastefully done. Nothing rapey. Revisions are limited to two on the approved sketch before I start tacking on annoying tax to the end tally.

      So I get asked to do a scene with two characters, the guy paying for it to be done, I know in passing (to be a general skeevy sort, benefit of the doubt, gave him a chance), but the female involved in the picture I happen to be good friends with. Straight off I get told to please please -please- not inform her of the picture, that it's a surprise, so on and so forth. Okay, I can do surprises.

      I start up on the sketch, oh it's not graphic enough, her dress needs to be pulled down further so she's spilling out of her top and her skirt hitched up higher. Revision. Still not graphic enough, revision, I want all the action to be seen, pull the bottom of the dress all the way up to her midback... I'm not dominating her enough (Huh?) ... another revision, she doesn't look like she's in enough pain and looking shocked enough while this is going on (now it's starting to look more and more like this is going on against her will - danger, will robinson, danger, danger!)... here, let me send you samples (proceeds to send a large handful of... ahem... samples from his pron folders)

      At this point I'm just like 'Get it done, get it done'

      Oh, it's perfect, but can you change the dress to the one you did for her a while back?

      The dress I did a while back? That set off more warning bells for me because the dress he wanted was in another mature picture I had done for her that she had given as a gag gift to one of her own personal friends.

      The more I did, the worse I was feeling about it, and when she approached me to ask what he had commissioned from me - he apparently bragged to her about this awesome surprise he was having done - and she was worried that it was something involving her, so I broke and showed her the picture...

      ...which she proceeded to flip out over and tell me of all the things he'd been doing, as in going beyond skeevy by trying to find out her phone number, telling off her friends that she was going to only play with his characters from now on and just being, well, a scary nut-ball. Fine to me, but scary nut-ball to her and everyone else she knew.

      -_- She agreed to not go off on him until the picture was done, since he had already paid and she felt he didn't deserve a refund or for me to have to explain why I was refunding him the payment. And kept to her word, picture was finished, he went off on his merry way, and his element of surprise was ruined (he sent it to that friend who had received the original pin-up of her character, and had been warned by her to expect it)

      Best part, a week later she commissioned me to revise the picture to that of him banging a dude in that dress instead. Never got to hear of what he thought of it.
      Okay everyone, lets all point and laugh at him right about....

      Now.

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      • #4
        Best part, a week later she commissioned me to revise the picture to that of him banging a dude in that dress instead. Never got to hear of what he thought of it.
        great revenge

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        • #5
          Oh man. That kind of crazy is the main reason why I don't take adult commissions. I just don't want to deal with it! (That and I actually can't draw the stuff worth a damn, it's a whole 'nother skill set, really.)
          The best advice is this: Don't take advice and don't give advice. ~Author Unknown

          Nobody can give you wiser advice than yourself. ~Cicero

          See the fuzzy - http://bladespark.livejournal.com/

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          • #6
            I was just about to say, everytime I think I might be getting good enough at drawing similar things to take a commission, I get the warning bells in my head that you never know who you're going to get, it could be a harmless quick buck, or a commissioner from hell you'll never be rid of....

            I tell myself "You can walk away from hobbies at any time, once you take money, it's a job"
            - They say nothing good happens at 2AM, they're right, I happen at 2AM.

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            • #7
              Sounds like he paid no attention to your rules about nothing involving rape. Worse than creepy...he sounds obsessed and leaning toward "stalker."

              The one with the dragon commission was just...weird.
              When you start at zero, everything's progress.

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              • #8
                Micer,

                The dude was awful. But I really, really like the girl's response.

                Fully professional to you, despite what had to be awful emotions. And I looove her commissioning you to do the variation. :P
                Seshat's self-help guide:
                1. Would you rather be right, or get the result you want?
                2. If you're consistently getting results you don't want, change what you do.
                3. Deal with the situation you have now, however it occurred.
                4. Accept the consequences of your decisions.

                "All I want is a pretty girl, a decent meal, and the right to shoot lightning at fools." - Anders, Dragon Age.

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                • #9
                  Yeah, it was kinda my fault for giving him a chance, I have the firm belief of giving someone enough rope to see what they do with it, which always gives the chance for the jerks to occasionally sneak in. More so when he would keep going to the trouble of trying to make it sound like every single girl he would get involved with was the cause of all his troubles - they're crazy/jealous/lonely/selfish/can't be honored when I leave a voice mail of me panting their name and obviously wacking off on their phones/woe is me... but yet would follow it with, 'Hey, can you tell me your bra size/measurements, Micer? Can I ask about your bedroom habits?' Ew. Ew ew ew ew, still get squicked out thinking about it.

                  Arms length wasn't good enough there, so my fault for giving him a chance.

                  But yep, I was thankful that she took it so well in the end, she's one of my best and frequent customers, so losing her because of that would've been worse. And that's one of the best things about doing everything on the computer, tick me off, or don't pay me, you're going to see that linework of your high and noble paladin suddenly wearing something more... sparkly, form fitting and very upsetting. I haven't actually done that, but it's nice knowing that I can. =D
                  Okay everyone, lets all point and laugh at him right about....

                  Now.

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                  • #10
                    Wow. Just....wow. The worst commission I was ever asked to do was when I'd just started selling artwork at conventions and someone asked for a pretty graphic ero picture. This was when my grasp on anatomy wasn't as good as it is now and I was mostly drawing chibis. It was scary.

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                    • #11
                      Quoth spark View Post
                      But the following drawing, her only comment was that she was happy I had posed it so that the wings hid the genitals.
                      This is the point where I would have gone out of my way to draw a giant phallus with dragon scales. Nothing but genital.

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                      • #12
                        This is the point where I would have gone out of my way to draw a giant phallus with dragon scales.
                        *snerk* dragon penis, hooo!

                        *hands micer a really long cattle prod*

                        nothing like a few freaks to maintain the circus, sadly, it's the ones with no shame that really create the issues. *squickies*
                        look! it's ghengis khan!
                        Sorry, but while I can do many things, extracting heads from anuses isn't one of them. (so sayeth the irv)

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                        • #13
                          Yeesh. I've heard of never outgrowing the genital or phallic stage, but this is ridiculous. Freud would shit himself.

                          Yeah, at that point, I think I'd have drawn her a dragon made out of labia and penises. Then tell her she's a pervert because the dragon is "just" a dragon and she's seeing more genitals flying around than a drunken New Year's orgy.

                          I wonder if this person has a dog and she yells at him to put his junk away around her child.

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                          • #14
                            Quoth computeraide View Post
                            This is the point where I would have gone out of my way to draw a giant phallus with dragon scales. Nothing but genital.
                            *cough* There is actually a sketch in my sketchbook of the same dragon, holding one of those snake-in-a-can prank toys, in such a way that at first glance the whole thing is really dirty. XD I titled it "entirely innocent" and ALMOST sent it to the girl instead of the final art, but I chickened out at the last moment.
                            The best advice is this: Don't take advice and don't give advice. ~Author Unknown

                            Nobody can give you wiser advice than yourself. ~Cicero

                            See the fuzzy - http://bladespark.livejournal.com/

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                            • #15
                              I've been doing commissions at my dealer's table at various cons for years....mostly furry cons now.
                              I love it, I love turning in a piece that the client is delighted about. But...
                              Oh my, there are some doozys!
                              rules I use:
                              1) Get all the money up front if possible.
                              2) Don't offer 'previews' unless the piece is very costly (like, over $100) For a costly piece, you want the client very happy...so they commission you again!
                              3) When they ask a price (other than looking at my obvious sign) I give an estimate until they tell me all the details. Like, it's two characters, both winged, one all spotted, one all striped, and they both have three weapons....Believe me, the price goes up for that one!
                              4) Get the work done in a timely fashion. Keep in touch with my clients if it is a take-home order, so they know where they stand.
                              5) ALWAYS do my best work. I want my clients to be happy, and I want to be proud of my work. Sometimes this means taking more time than usual to do a piece right...but I take the time.
                              6) Get all the details from the client of what they want. Write it down, or sketch it in front of them. Ask, 'is this all? anything else?'
                              If they complain later...show them the order form they watched you fill out (oh yeah...get an order form...) If it's not on the form, they can't yell about it.

                              To date, I believe I've pleased every client (some more than others...or they are all good liars, or just polite...) by trying to follow these rules. i am going to several mor econs this year, and expect to make some good money doing so. BUT...only because I do my best work, do it quickly, and give good value for the money.
                              Your clients know when you care about their piece. It shows in the end product.

                              Good luck to all my fellow con-artists out there! Who knew there were so many of us here??
                              I no longer fear HELL.
                              I work in RETAIL.

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