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    I think this is going to be part of a series for me: complaints about one particular aspect of SCism. This time, the PIN Pads at my store.

    First, the background. At my store, the PIN Pads are one large touchscreen with an ambidextrous magnetic strip reader at the top and a stylus attached to the side. For entering debit card PINs, you can use your finger or the stylus. It should be noted that the PIN screen will automatically come up when a debit card is swiped. If you wish to use it as a credit card, that's fine; simply select "CREDIT" at the bottom of the screen. After you enter your PIN, you will be asked if you want cash back (select YES or NO). If yes, you will be asked "How Much?" ($10, $20, $40, Cancel ($0)). YOu will then be asked to verify the total. This is NOT a check on me, the cashier, but on you. It is telling you that THIS is the amount to be debited with your cash back selection. If you select no, it will bring you back to "Do you want cash back?" "Yes" allows the the transaction to continue.

    For electronic signature captures, use you the stylus to write in the lower portion of the screen, as defined by the nice white box (and the heavily scratched area of the protective film). The thing that sucks about our Pads is that the entire screen remains active during a signature capture even though it only allowes you to write in a small portion of it. As a result, if you stray even slightly outside the signature box, or accidentally touch another part of the screen, it stops capturing the signature and throws up a less than helpful error message "Please sign in signature box." Worse, the message automatically goes away after a moment, yet has an "OK" button in it. This can lead to a frustrating situation where you touch OK just as the message self-clears, which triggers the message again, so you press OK again, on and on in an endless loop. It aggravates the customers, and it aggravates me in turn. Plus, as I'm sure is the case with all electronic signature captures, the signature comes out terribly no matter how slowly and carefully you write.

    And yet, with all the ways the PIN Pad invites screwups, people still manage to find their own ways to foul things up. Feel free to add your own that may be unique to your store's system.

    Both Debit and Credit

    •Do not bemoan the fact that "every store has a different system" to excuse your mistakes. If anything, this is evidence against you rather than an legitimate excuse. If you know every store has a different system, then you should not be making assumptions about ours. Instead, you should be paying closer attention.

    •Attention left-handed customers: You can indeed use the stylus even though it is anchored to the right hand side of the PinPad. Guess what? I am left-handed, despite your assumptions to the contrary. The reason you are having trouble is because you are overcompensating, not because the cable is too short. Just let it hang and write. Overhanded or underhanded, there's more than enough slack. (I've even demonstrated this to people and they still can't do it.) And don't complain. As a southpaw, I have NEVER, EVER, not even once in my life complained about the fact that this is a right-handed world. I learned to accept this in the first grade. It does not bother me, because I have adapted. You can do it to, rather than waste time in a futile attempt to convert everyone and everything.

    •What is so challenging about putting the stylus back where is belongs? How about returning it to the spot where you got it from? Seriously.
    • No, it doesn't bloody fit in the card slot.
    • No, there isn't a hidden hole for it underneath the PinPad.
    • Just LOOK. If you used your eyes, you'd find the spot where it goes. Trust me.


    •The stylus is NOT a pen, so you can't use it to write a check.
    • On a closely related note, the pens in the displays on my register, with the price tags are NOT for general use. They are only for sale. Don't just grab one and start using it. I have my own personal cache of nice pens for check-writing. Please ask instead of stealing.


    Debit

    •For the love of God, please do not hammer away at the screen with the stylus. It's not a keyboard, it's a touchscreen. Despite your preconceived notions, you do not need to hit the screen as hard as possible for it to work. A light touch works better, and in the event that it does not respond, then a slightly different angle will. Or, you could ASK me how to do it. Pounding away accomplishes nothing except to risk damage to the PinPad.

    •If you think the machine made a mistake, you are wrong. YOU DID. Please select "clear" and enter your PIN again. Do not assume the the PinPad has any type of auto-correction, because it doesn't. Pressing on will only result in the transaction being declined for an Invalid PIN, and you'll have to start all over again, including swiping your card again. This wastes time and causes needless stress for all involved. If you are otherwise in doubt about what you entered, just clear it and try again.

    •READ THE SCREEN! If you do not want cash back, do not select yes.

    •In the event that you fail to read the screen and select "Yes" for cash back, yet do not want cash back, simply press "Cancel" then select "No."
    • DO NOT ask "where's the choice for no cash back?"
    • DO NOT look at me stupidly and wait for a response from me; I can't see what you did.
    • DO NOT angrily say "I DON'T WANT CASH BACK!" Take a chill pill and see above.


    •For the last time, yes, the ONLY options for cash back are $10, $20, and $40. No, you can't have $25, and no, you can't get more than $40.

    •Pay attention, you have TWO selections after you enter your PIN (see above). Don't just drop the stylus and look away. And again "everyone has a different system" is no excuse at all; you should have paid better attention.

    •When I tell you "two more selections" do not make only one selection then decide you are done. You aren't. Don't get all pissy with me when I then say "one more selection." If you had listened and/or read the screen, this would not be a problem.

    Credit

    •For the last time, if you are using a debit card and wish to run it through as credit, you MUST select the nice big red button at the bottom that clearly says CREDIT. DO. NOT. PRESS. CANCEL!!!!!!!!! Do not ask me if you should press cancel. Do not say "I wanted credit" or "I SAID CREDIT!!!!" Read the screen, or allow me to give you instructions rather than screaming. If you press cancel, it cancels the whole damn payment, which means you'll need to swipe your card again, needlessly wasting time. (This has gotten so bad that I've taken to spinning the PinPad around and doing this myself before they can even object).

    •Yes, you must sign IN the signature box. That error message means you have strayed outside the box.
    • DO NOT sign at the top of the screen.
    • DO NOT write in an overly large or exaggerated style that takes up too much room.
    • DO NOT go outside the stupid lines!!! Like they taught you in 1st grade, remember?
    • I do not care if you don't write that way. The box boundaries to not change to suit your whims. Go ahead and try it fifty times, you're only wasting your own time. I get paid either way. Write smaller. I know you can do it.


    •For the love of God, DO NOT USE A REGULAR PEN! USE THE STYLUS!!!!!!!!! That's what it is there for.

    •When you have completed your signature, press "Done" just like I instructed you to. Do NOT press "Clear!" "Clear will *gasp* CLEAR your signature! That means you now have to sign again. Yes, you do. No, I won't accept a signature I never saw. And once again, saying "everyone's system is different" is NOT an excuse!

    •If you do not wish to sign on the screen, that is fine. Just ask to sign on paper. I do not give a why, so you don't have to explain yourself.

    •Attention conspiracy theorists and paranoid delusionists: electronic signature capture is NOT INSECURE. We do not store signatures; once I verify that it matches what is on the card, it goes away. Please consider that by asking to sign on paper, you are GUARANTEEING that there will be a record of your signature filed away somewhere, whereas with ESC, there is only the possibility (and then only in your mind). Please do not expound on the perceived evils of ESC. I do not care. Just ask to sign on paper and be done with it.

    •Please do not bemoan the fact that your handwriting looks terrible, I KNOW!!!!! I hear this at least once per shift. Do not wonder aloud angrily at the point of verifying a signature when it looks so bad. Yes, it IS possible. Typically, the first letter of each name will stand out clearly no matter how bad the rest looks. Just let me do my job, OK?
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  • #2
    Yeah, why is that, that the signature always looks bad, no matter what? I have wondered that for so long now
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    • #3
      Omg....thats absolutely ridiculous. I often wonder how some of these people manage to get out of the house in the morning. But....if you think they're frustrating, try dealing with the opposite end.

      The business owners who take debit and have no idea how to work the pin pad and end up completely erasing the encryption several times before we have to actually drive to the location to fix it.

      Btw..there are several ways to do this...the above referenced has managed to do all of them, some twice.

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      • #4
        Quoth powerboy View Post
        Yeah, why is that, that the signature always looks bad, no matter what? I have wondered that for so long now
        For some, it's because you're trying to sign at an odd angle, or the pad is at an odd height. You're not sitting at a desk, with the pad at a comfortable level. Instead, it's sitting just a little off from vertical, halfway between comfort points.
        I've been here for two years, work harder than most others, and I'm getting paid $1.80 an hour
        less than the 17 year old slacker you hired two months ago. Maybe that's why I'm not chipper at work.

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        • #5
          ARGH! I can't stand left handed victims, either. I'm also left-handed, nowhere close to ambidextrous (I can't even make simple hatchmarks with my right hand) and I can't believe the number of times I've run into people who seem like they must be making up things that they can't do or that are really hard for them because they're left handed.

          There are lots of ways that people really get the shaft being born into this world. Guess what? Being left handed isn't one of them, unless you were raised by people who beat you if you didn't write with your right hand, or something.

          (That having been said, many lefties older than 60 or so have had exactly that experience. My grandmother used to regale me with horror stories.)

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          • #6
            I am right handed...I can't do anything lefty--except, oddly enough, I can write on a chalkboard fairly neatly with my left hand. But I can't write on a dry erase board with markers. I don't know what it is with chalk...

            My dad is ambidextrous...he writes and eats left handed, but he learned to throw righty, so he plays most sports right handed.

            The pinpads at my store are not touch screens, thank god. You just swipe the card with the magnetic strip facing in and down. People face them the wrong way all the time, in spite of the little diagram printed on the machine showing you how. Then if it's a debit card it automatically asks for your PIN, and says "for credit press cancel" (or whatever the button says). No one reads this. I printed a little instruction sheet and taped it to all the machines with clear, concise instructions on how to do debit and credit. Cuts down on some questions but not all. If they say "I wanted credit" I'd either just hit enter on my keyboard myself or say "Press the red button" so they don't have to actually read.
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            • #7
              Quoth Dave1982 View Post
              •Do not bemoan the fact that "every store has a different system" to excuse your mistakes. If anything, this is evidence against you rather than an legitimate excuse. If you know every store has a different system, then you should not be making assumptions about ours. Instead, you should be paying closer attention.
              When I worked as a cashier I hated hearing that 20 times a day. Yes, other stores have different systems, but I bet a monkey could figure this one out. Swipe your card the correct way (as shown by the picture), and then follow the prompts. So what does that make you, when you swipe your card the wrong way 7 or 8 times without even trying it the right way once and complain "it's not working!"

              Then it got worse when we got new machines that had a slot for something else on top (the picture looked like a card with a little square instead of a strip). Half the people would stick the card in the slot and stand there. We wound up putting tape over the slot because it was such a pain in the ass... and then I had a couple customers try the slot anyways.
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              • #8
                I do not miss running a cash register. The "They are different everywhere" excuse is met with a "<store> uses this same system." I have always wanted to say "That is no excuse not to pay attention." Then you have the non-readers who answer "No" which loops back to the method of payment screen and I have to run their cards again.
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                • #9
                  I hate that "Its different everywhere you go" excuse. I want to say something like, "Yeah but reading and following directions is pretty standard".
                  Because thats all it is. If they actually ready what it was saying, there wouldn't be a problem.

                  I have had them stand there asking me "What do I do now?" And to this I do reply, "What does it say?". Then they actually read what it says, (example: Slide Payment Card) Or they hollar, "It doesnt say anything!" To which I crane myself over, so very awkwardly, to see, and read to them, exactly what it says (example: Enter PIN ).

                  The ones that are the worse are the ones who hold the stylus so close to the tip, that as they are entering their PIN, their pinky nail or whatever touches the Enter button before they get it all in, (cuz its the last button on the very right bottom of the screen). Then they get an attitude with me because their PIN doesnt go in right and they have to do it again.

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                  • #10
                    "It's different at every store" is all the more reason to Read The Directions in this store. I like Target's cuz it the card just slides in and it shows you which way the logo should be facing. It's hard to screw up. (But I'm sure they do anyway).

                    How many times a day do you get to hear "Turn it over. No, the other way. No, around. Yes, that's it...No, the way you just had it. Good. ? (All the while I'm thinking JUST GIVE IT TO ME!!!!)

                    I wish they would just make them so it'll read the strip on either side, then you only have to manage to face the strip into the machine.
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                    I don't believe just 'cause ideas are tenacious
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                    • #11
                      The "it's different everywhere" confuses me, particularly when it comes to swiping the card.... If it's so different everywhere, howcome I never get it wrong even though I never look?

                      There's only a couple ways to do it. Anytime you swipe the card, the magnetic strip has to go through the swipey part. So that leaves you with two options- towards the bulk of the machine or away from the bulk of the machine. Most of the time, the strip needs to be pointing inwards toward the bulk of the machine. For the machines in which you insert the card, you have four possibilities, but I've never seen a machine where the card is inserted strip-up, so that's back down to two choices; strip down and to the left, or strip down and to the right. It's a 50/50 shot here people, it can't be that hard.

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                      • #12
                        I've witnessed people who keep constant pressure on the pad, pressing harder on the spots they want to press, then wondering why every button along the way is getting pressed. "Lift your finger"
                        I've been here for two years, work harder than most others, and I'm getting paid $1.80 an hour
                        less than the 17 year old slacker you hired two months ago. Maybe that's why I'm not chipper at work.

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                        • #13
                          Quoth trunks2k View Post
                          it can't be that hard.
                          and yet somehow they manage to do it!
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                          I don't believe just 'cause ideas are tenacious
                          It means that they're worthy - Tim Minchin, "White Wine in the Sun"

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                          • #14
                            too many simple people...

                            I really love to train people to focus when it comes to the card kiosk, as most will forget (almost every major store has something relatively similar) how to use one. It gets to the point where they believe you're doing the prompting ("Slide card again? What?") ("Uh, not clairvoyant...I will not know if I need more information until prompted myself by the network.").
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                            • #15
                              Quoth BookstoreEscapee View Post
                              I wish they would just make them so it'll read the strip on either side, then you only have to manage to face the strip into the machine.
                              AHA! The ones at my store do that. There are two read heads in the slot, so as long as the strip goes through, it reads it. Of course, some people still screw it up, but the main issues outlined above come after swiping the card.
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