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    OK, once again I end up reporting on total dumbassery experienced by several of my agents who handled the marvelous calls placed by an amazing specimen of humanity that we'll call Mr. F.

    Background: we provide technical support for a videogames company. To play the game (an MMORPG) a monthly subscription is required.
    Please do not discuss MMORPGs and pay-to-play.

    The first call from this guy was fairly normal: he claimed he had been overcharged, our agent explained that there had been a glitch in our system due to which certain customers (those who had subscribed at a certain time last year) were sent a receipt for £0.00. He seemed to understand, closed the call; so far, so good. I mean, he COULD have read what the receipt said, but nobody expects that, right?

    Then he called again. Claiming that he had been overcharged. Hmmm... yes, we have the ticket number, and no you have not. "My bank statement says differently", he said. WWGkD (What Would Gravekeeper Do)? I don't know what would Gk do, but I know that my agent correctly asked him to provide proof of the extra charge so we could refund it to him. Not "so we can investigate your (outlandish) claims", but "so we can refund the sum". Mind that he never specified the amount of money he insists he has been overcharged for. Cue a tirade about lack of trust, because "we know" he has been overcharged (no we don't) and "we are trying to scam him" (whatever). He threatens to call our legal department, which we invite him to do. Possibly after having provided proof of such overcharge.

    Does he do it? Guess.
    Actually, look up at the name of this forum and guess again.

    No, he would not call our legal department (not that we had given him the number - as he had not asked). He will call us AGAIN!

    Right. So he does.
    This time his tone of voice gets really rude. No abuse, no personal attack, only "your company is scamming me". For an undisclosed sum that we MUST refund him. Without knowing what such sum would be.
    This time he also lets us know that "we" have also scammed of his April refund.

    See, what happened is that our game servers are located in Japan, to be more precise in the Tokyo area.
    When last March that area was hit by the earthquake and tsunami we all have been reading about, most (all?) companies whose servers are in those areas volunteered to close their services in order to utilise the electricity needed to make such servers run on more necessary activities (like, hospitals and such). Our company's servers were down for three weeks; people could not play and had already been charged for March, but received an e-mail saying that they would get April free of charge due to the servers being unavailable and all.
    To allow people to play, the system needed to enter a confirmation of payment. So they were all charged for 1p (0.01£ or 0.016US$) - penny that was refunded immediately.

    Mr. F insisted that he had instead been charged the total sum for April. We had confirmation through our system that he had been charged 1p and refunded 1p. So... no, he had not. And this was news for us, by the way.
    We asked to provide us with a proof of such overcharge. No original document needed, a scan of a document/bank statement, even one hiding most of his personal info, would have been enough.
    No luck.

    He calls again. Gets abusive. Our agent threatens to hang up unless he stops being abusive. His reply? "I am not being abusive, you stupid cow."
    Hilarious, had it not been offensive.

    Moves on to e-mail. Explains the whole issue again. Mind, no sum of money has been mentioned yet by him. Ever.
    We ask him to provide a copy of a bank statement "and we will be happy to refund you the extra charges you have incurred".

    He replies asing for a refund.

    We reply asking for a bank statement.

    He copies and pastes his previous e-mail.

    We copy and paste our previous reply.

    He calls again. Tells us that "his neighbour didn't get his free April either". We ask him to tell his neighbour to call us to investigate his issue separately. Abuse. Hang up after telling him that if he does it again he'll be blacklisted from our phone system (unfortunately this is not possible, but we can refuse to talk to him).

    E-mail, still the same points.

    Reply, still asking for a bank statement.

    Mr. F replies saying that he is unable to send it to us because it is now with the (Town) Sheriff Court and that we will be all "forced to appear" before the Sheriff "wherever in the world we are". (39.3 miles/63.2 km from this office to his hometown's Sheriff Court, thank you very much).

    We reply that in this case we are not authorised to talk to him any longer as everything is now in the hands of his and our lawyers.

    Mr. F replies with an e-mail that I still can't really understand, but it involves us "caving in", the team's manager (yours truly) being "on the verge of being convicted for fraud" and him being happy that "our deceptions have been exposed". Hmm, yes. Tin foil hats anyone?

    Probably he occasionally calls Gravekeeper and orders pants. At least he is articulate. What he says doesn't make an inkling of sense, but he knows his own name AND address.
    Maybe he is friends with Vicki.
    Last edited by C. Cecil Ivanish; 08-30-2011, 02:43 PM.
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  • #2
    Quoth C. Cecil Ivanish View Post

    Mr. F replies with an e-mail that I still can't really understand, but it involves us "caving in", the team's manager (yours truly) being "on the verge of being convicted for fraud" and him being happy that "our deceptions have been exposed". Hmm, yes. Tin foil hats anyone?


    Maybe he is friends with Vicki.
    HAHA. So another case where there was an indictment, a trial, and now it is with the jury "on the verge of being convicted" with out you as much as getting served with a Subpoena to appear. Definately sounds like the work of a GK nut.
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    • #3
      I know your lawyers wouldn't do this, but is there any possibility of calling the lawyers or the authority on HIM for harassment? It may be that it's required for the victim or "haressee" to request that the "harasser" to stop on multiple occasions. He wants to play hardball? Let him play on your field and see how soon it takes him to go crawling back... 39 miles? I'd say you should be able to have someone in the call center place a call to the local cops on this one. His name and address should already be on the account.

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      • #4
        sounds like he knows you called his bluff and instead of admitting it, he's so spun up he's piling more bullshit on top of his claims.


        but he knows his own name AND address.
        You sure he's a GK customer then?

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        • #5
          Vick. GK's foil is a guy

          What a moron.

          Sorry dude, but NO ONE with any sense sends a refund just on someone's say so.

          You have to show that a) you've been overcharged, and b) how much.

          Good lord.
          They say that God only gives us what we can handle. Apparently, God thinks I'm a bad ass.

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          • #6
            He's been caught, he knows that he has been, and is trying to a run around so that eventually you'll give him his "refund" that he isn't entitled to. At least that's his line of reasoning.
            Eh, one day I'll have something useful here. Until then, have a cookie or two.

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            • #7
              Does Mr F stand for Mr Fuckwit?

              All he had to do was show proof of how much he was overcharged and he would have got it back. That's it. That's all he had to do. Instead he leads you all on a completely unneccessary merry-go-round, probably because your system shows that he is talking out of his arse and those last e-mails were a desperate last ditch attempt to scare you into giving him what he is after.

              Although you don't know what he is exactly after as he wouldn't say.

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              • #8
                Only a total nutcase would expect you to refund him an amount that he won't specify.

                Since the amount of "overcharge" was actually zero, maybe you should process a refund of 0.00 to his account and tell him "You have now been refunded the exact amount you were overcharged."
                When you start at zero, everything's progress.

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                • #9
                  Off topic: I know what MMO you do support for. I'm a subscriber and I appreciate all the effort it takes to keep things running. Don't mind the jackass of a SC.
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                  • #10
                    I think Mrs. F. must be the customer I've been putting off calling back. She insists we owe her more money than she's already been credited and we are sure we don't, but we'll see if she finally got the e-mail of the billing breakdown that we have had to send her twice now. She'll probably disagree with it even if she got it but I've been told I can just tell her no, we're not giving her any more money back...so that's what I'm going to do. Should be fun. (Relatively.)
                    "I was only LOOKING, I didn't mean to enter my card's CVV and actually ORDER! REFUND ME RIGHT NOW!!"

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                    • #11
                      Quoth emax4 View Post
                      I know your lawyers wouldn't do this, but is there any possibility of calling the lawyers or the authority on HIM for harassment?
                      I wouldn't know, actually. I guess that it'd be on the verge, yes.
                      Quoth emax4 View Post
                      It may be that it's required for the victim or "haressee" to request that the "harasser" to stop on multiple occasions.
                      An ASBO for being an asshat? Hmm... would be entertaining, but I don't think the Big Bosses will want to bother.
                      Quoth emax4 View Post
                      I'd say you should be able to have someone in the call center place a call to the local cops on this one. His name and address should already be on the account.
                      Sure, we have all his details, but I'm not sure that simply being an idiot is worth reporting to the Police...
                      Quoth PepperElf View Post
                      sounds like he knows you called his bluff and instead of admitting it, he's so spun up he's piling more bullshit on top of his claims.
                      I'm waiting to see how much more he can pile up.
                      No news from him for some days though. We kinda miss him.
                      Quoth PepperElf View Post
                      You sure he's a GK customer then?
                      ...no, probably not.
                      Would he take calls from the UK, by the way?
                      Quoth Panacea View Post
                      Vick. GK's foil is a guy
                      Ours too, was not sure about Gk's, usually my eyes are veiled by tears of laughter when I get to that point in Gk's posts.
                      Quoth Panacea View Post
                      You have to show that a) you've been overcharged, and b) how much.
                      Yah, but to do that he'd need to have been ACTUALLY overcharged.
                      Quoth Gibbo View Post
                      Does Mr F stand for Mr Fuckwit?
                      It could It is how we call him in here, "F" is the area he lives in. Again - less than 40 miles away from here (even though he doesn't know that - although he might have guessed from the guys' accents).
                      Quoth Gibbo View Post
                      All he had to do was show proof of how much he was overcharged and he would have got it back.
                      ...which suggests that... yep. He has not been.
                      Quoth Gibbo View Post
                      Although you don't know what he is exactly after as he wouldn't say.
                      That is also a point.
                      Quoth MoonCat View Post
                      Since the amount of "overcharge" was actually zero, maybe you should process a refund of 0.00 to his account and tell him "You have now been refunded the exact amount you were overcharged."
                      Unfortunately we are unable to do it directly, we'd need to go through finance and I don't think they'd bother.
                      Quoth Mr Hero View Post
                      Off topic: I know what MMO you do support for. I'm a subscriber and I appreciate all the effort it takes to keep things running. Don't mind the jackass of a SC.
                      Thank you Hero
                      Yes, I imagine it is not hard to guess from the hints I gave (we actually support all the games reeased by that company).
                      Quoth BeenThereDoneThat View Post
                      I think Mrs. F. must be the customer I've been putting off calling back.
                      Ours is a Mr. F, actually, but he might have a relative. Not a wife, of course (noone could bear him, I'm sure), but possibly a sister.
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                      • #12
                        Quoth C. Cecil Ivanish View Post
                        Ours is a Mr. F, actually, but he might have a relative. Not a wife, of course (noone could bear him, I'm sure), but possibly a sister.
                        Yeah, I worded that badly...was joking that he might have a wife or relative that I'd been talking to. Talked to her again today, btw...twice!
                        "I was only LOOKING, I didn't mean to enter my card's CVV and actually ORDER! REFUND ME RIGHT NOW!!"

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                        • #13
                          Quoth BeenThereDoneThat View Post
                          was joking that he might have a wife or relative that I'd been talking to.
                          Not a wife. I'm sure not. Noone could...
                          Yes, actually probably someone could.
                          And then buy pants.
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                          • #14
                            Quoth BeenThereDoneThat View Post
                            ... a wife or relative ...
                            There may not be a difference.
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                            • #15
                              Quoth dalesys View Post
                              Quoth BeenThereDoneThat View Post
                              a wife or relative
                              There may not be a difference.
                              Those people would be buying pink camo pants, though.
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