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  • #31
    Quoth chikenlady View Post
    You really meant to type Saskatchewan didn't you?
    Well, Alberta's pretty dang barren-tundra-ish at the moment; my water bottle froze as I biked home from work Monday. It's only about a 30 minute ride. (I found this highly entertaining and I'm planning to keep the test going all week, but then again it has been noted that I may not be entirely sane when it comes to cycling and the weather in which it is appropriate to ride )

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    • #32
      Quoth sms001 View Post
      Control - Shift - T is your friend. And yes, it brings the post data back too.
      Wait, so if I close a tab, ctrl-shift-t reopens said tab? Really?!?!?!

      Quoth Buglady View Post
      There's no such thing as a very thin, lightweight, non-bulky jacket that will keep you warm...
      The outfits of Winter Olympians seem to contradict you here.

      Of course, they are not generally dealing with the -40 degree temps you cite, but just saying, there does seem to be winter clothing that is lightweight and thin AND effective.

      Of course, I live in the tropics. I fully expect several of you Winterlanders to tell me why and how I am wrong on this.

      Quoth Gravekeeper View Post
      I did that with an entire post once. Once. It was the first and last time. Now I compulsively hit ctrl + a and ctrl + c periodically.
      What do those functions DO, precisely?

      And that and computer freezes are why for a while I would type my posts out on a word document, saving frequently, but my current method seems to work better for me.....well, until the other day, that is.

      Quoth Gravekeeper View Post
      It probably IS the title of a porno, but I'm not about to Google it. ;p
      Wuss.

      Quoth BeenThereDoneThat View Post
      Hey, me too! It's not foolproof but it sure has saved my bacon many times...(and you know how precious bacon is).
      Mmmmmmm........bacon..........

      I'm a baaaaad Jew......

      Quoth Buglady View Post
      ...it has been noted that I may not be entirely sane when it comes to cycling and the weather in which it is appropriate to ride.
      If you enjoy it and are not causing yourself any medical harm, ANY and ALL weather is appropriate to cycle in! (For me that means nothing really cold, of course, but there is no such thing as too hot to cycle in.)

      "The Customer Is Always Right...But The Bartender Decides Who Is
      Still A Customer."

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      • #33
        Control-A selects everything on the page. Control-C copies said selection to the clipboard, meaning you can use Control-V to paste it.

        Rapscallion

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        • #34
          Quoth Jester View Post
          Wait, so if I close a tab, ctrl-shift-t reopens said tab? Really?!?!?!
          Yes sir. In Firefox and Chrome at least. And the important bit: "INCLUDING POSTDATA"; so, everything you typed...

          Quoth Jester View Post
          The outfits of Winter Olympians seem to contradict you here.
          I fully expect several of you Winterlanders to tell me why and how I am wrong on this.
          Duration. They are only spending brief periods in the cold, so they can sacrifice breathability (non-sweat retention) and long term insulation for speed and flexibility.

          Quoth Jester View Post
          If you enjoy it and are not causing yourself any medical harm, ANY and ALL weather is appropriate to cycle in!
          I bike year round on the Wisconsin- UP border. For fun, commuting, and exercise. You are correct.

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          • #35
            Quoth Rapscallion View Post
            Control-A selects everything on the page. Control-C copies said selection to the clipboard, meaning you can use Control-V to paste it.
            Naturally, I knew about ctrl-c and ctrl-v for cutting and pasting, but had no idea about ctrl-a, and the applications it lended itself to for cutting and pasting, and saving date. Good to know, and once again, to quote my middle school science teacher, learn something new every day!

            Quoth sms001 View Post
            Yes sir. In Firefox and Chrome at least. And the important bit: "INCLUDING POSTDATA"; so, everything you typed...
            VERY good to know. And since I use Firefox, apropos to me.

            Quoth sms001 View Post
            Duration. They are only spending brief periods in the cold, so they can sacrifice breathability (non-sweat retention) and long term insulation for speed and flexibility.
            Well, yes and no. Several winter sports are more than brief, such as curling, hockey, and cross-country skiing, to name a few off the top of my pointy little head. And in many such sports, they are spending more time in the cold than a lot of people shopping for winter clothing would. I mean, let's face it, the average person worried about staying warm and acting all dumb about it is not going to be ice-fishing for several days, now are they?

            Quoth sms001 View Post
            I bike year round on the Wisconsin- UP border. For fun, commuting, and exercise. You are correct.
            I think you're nuts. But as long as you're happy with that, more power to you.

            Of course, you would probably think I'm nuts for biking in 110+ in the desert. But I do....and I do it for fun.

            "The Customer Is Always Right...But The Bartender Decides Who Is
            Still A Customer."

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            • #36
              Quoth Jester View Post
              The outfits of Winter Olympians seem to contradict you here.

              Of course, they are not generally dealing with the -40 degree temps you cite, but just saying, there does seem to be winter clothing that is lightweight and thin AND effective.
              They are moving fast and generating a lot of heat; insulation isn't a factor there as much as wicking sweat and venting excess heat/moisture, while staying protected from the wind (which will chill you down in a hell of a hurry when you're sweating). Temperatures in Vancouver were well above freezing during the Olympics, too.

              My cycling clothing is also fairly thin, but I can't wear it just walking around and expect to be comfortable. On days when I don't cycle and it's under -10C, I generally wear a full set of lightweight long underwear under my jeans and sweater, and a down jacket over all. Plus toque, mitts, and decent wool socks of course. If it's under -30C, the full on parka and windproof ski pants appear... otherwise I would quite seriously expect to die while waiting for the bus.

              Tomorrow I am spending the day on a snowshoe field course (... I love my job!) and will be wearing long johns (Polartec) and softshell pants; a merino wool undershirt; a lightweight synthetic thermal shirt; a wool sweater; and a softshell jacket. (Softshell definition) My down vest will be in my pack to keep my core warm on rest stops (it would be too warm to wear while hiking)

              Out of curiosity, Jester (and others), what's the coldest temperature you've personally experienced and for how long? The hottest I've ever experienced was about 40C, with a humidity index that apparently took the perceived heat up even farther. All I know is I could not move without sweating and even blinking was too much effort. Miserable!

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              • #37
                Quoth Buglady View Post
                They are moving fast and generating a lot of heat...
                Not all of them are. I did mention curlers, who are hardly moving fast or generating that much heat, short of the friction they may generate with their brooms. And I am sure there are others I'm forgetting.

                But as I said, few of these winter sports events take place in -40 temps, so that's another story.

                Quoth Buglady View Post
                Out of curiosity, Jester (and others), what's the coldest temperature you've personally experienced and for how long?
                Hard to say, as any such temps would have been experienced in my childhood, prior to our 1987 move to Arizona. (Since which time I have dealt with snow a total of one day, in 2003.) I know I have dealt with single digits (Fahrenheit), and I may have dealt with some negative temps, but if so, they were just below zero, nothing as cold as what you're citing.

                For reference, the places we lived in my childhood were, for the most part, southern New York state and northern New Jersey, and for a short time, Ohio and Illinois, but those last two were when I was REALLY young, and I have very little memory of Illinois, and almost none of Ohio.

                Nothing like the Canadian winters, or even like Buffalo or Minnesota. But it was more than enough for me. Brr!

                "The Customer Is Always Right...But The Bartender Decides Who Is
                Still A Customer."

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                • #38
                  Quoth Buglady View Post
                  Out of curiosity, Jester (and others), what's the coldest temperature you've personally experienced and for how long? The hottest I've ever experienced was about 40C, with a humidity index that apparently took the perceived heat up even farther. All I know is I could not move without sweating and even blinking was too much effort. Miserable!
                  I remember a Christmas Day not too many years ago where the daytime high was 3F. You can imagine the overnight lows. On the flip side, a couple summers ago broke records when the air temp was 100F or so and with the humidity the heat index was 120F or more.
                  I am no longer of capable of the emotion you humans call “compassion”. Though I can feign it in exchange for an hourly wage. (Gravekeeper)

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                  • #39
                    Quoth Buglady View Post
                    There's no such thing as a very thin, lightweight, non-bulky jacket that will keep you warm at -40 with just a t-shirt underneath. It cannot be done! (I canna change the laws of physics!!)
                    Actually, it can be done, but the materials start to get on the esoteric side, and/of the assembly starts to require an external power supply (see the Apollo Space suits for examples).
                    Life: Reality TV for deities. - dalesys

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                    • #40
                      Quoth Jester View Post
                      I did mention curlers, who are hardly moving fast or generating that much heat, short of the friction they may generate with their brooms. And I am sure there are others I'm forgetting.
                      The air temperature in indoor rinks is actually not that bad - it's not even as cold as a walk-in refrigerator, usually. The freezing apparatus for the ice is under the surface. Curlers don't stand directly on the ice except when it's their turn and then they are moving enough to be okay (it doesn't take that much, again because the air temp isn't that cold and there is no wind chill to consider). You'll notice the fans are usually bundled up pretty well - they are sitting still, and the floors are often concrete, which will suck the warmth out of your feet even faster than ice for some reason.

                      When you are dealing with air temperatures below freezing, it is a very different situation. The human body just doesn't do too well without protection, and the type of protection needed depends on things like activity level, base metabolic rate, body fat percentage, calories consumed that day, hydration (believe it or not, dehydration makes you colder), how rested you are (that one affects metabolic rate), and a host of other factors, most of which *increase* the amount of insulation you need to avoid losing too much body heat and getting into trouble.

                      So your average Joe who walks into a store wanting a winter jacket that will keep him comfortable in a Calgary winter while he waits for the bus is better off to err on the side of more insulation than less, and he'll just have to deal with the poofy-ness of the jacket somehow.

                      Baffin boot company makes a battery-heated boot now; they may need to go into outerwear next. (I think that's what mkhone was referring to with the Apollo suits - those were insulated and had reflective materials to keep the body heat in, but they also had an external power pack and heater).

                      *nerd hat on* Spacesuits are different again though as you only have to deal with straight radiant heat loss, not convective (wind), evaporative (moisture) or conductive (direct contact with cold ground) heat loss, all of which apply in atmosphere and when you are touching cold ground. *nerd off*

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                      • #41
                        Speaking of Chrome, I recently switched too it and when I type in www.customerssuck.com into the address bar, Google search auto completes and suggests myself.

                        It is.....definitely rather weird if not a bit unsettling. >.>

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                        • #42
                          Quoth Gravekeeper View Post
                          Speaking of Chrome, I recently switched too it and when I type in www.customerssuck.com into the address bar, Google search auto completes and suggests myself.
                          Oddly enough, I noticed something like that this morning. (auto completes and suggests YOU. Not me. I'm not special enough.)
                          Unseen but seeing
                          oh dear, now they're masquerading as sane-KiaKat
                          There isn't enough interpretive dance in the workplace these days-Irv
                          3rd shift needs love, too
                          RIP, mo bhrionglóid

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                          • #43
                            Quoth Gravekeeper View Post
                            I did that with an entire post once. Once. It was the first and last time. Now I compulsively hit ctrl + a and ctrl + c periodically. >.>
                            I've been known to write longer posts in Google Docs... >_>

                            Quoth Jester View Post
                            Nothing like the Canadian winters, or even like Buffalo or Minnesota. But it was more than enough for me. Brr!
                            You and me, both. I only visit snow for brief periods, and then only to go skiing.

                            My own coldest was during a blizzard in Vermont. It was fun when I was 9, not so much 30 years later.

                            Quoth Gravekeeper View Post
                            Speaking of Chrome, I recently switched too it and when I type in www.customerssuck.com into the address bar, Google search auto completes and suggests myself.
                            Google's been doing that for a while, actually. It's just that Chrome has the mutant combined location/search bar.

                            ^-.-^
                            Faith is about what you do. It's about aspiring to be better and nobler and kinder than you are. It's about making sacrifices for the good of others. - Dresden

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                            • #44
                              Quoth Gravekeeper View Post
                              ... Google search auto completes and suggests myself.
                              Perhaps GK, you are the CS archetype?
                              I am not an a**hole. I am a hemorrhoid. I irritate a**holes!
                              Procrastination: Forward planning to insure there is something to do tomorrow.
                              Derails threads faster than a pocket nuke.

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                              • #45
                                Dude. DUDE.

                                Ok, I don't make this offer lightly, but I recently received a report that a former neighbour of mine (I just moved, he didn't) has finally worked out the bugs from his still and is producing some world-class shine. And I have no reason to doubt the persons that told me.

                                Want some?
                                What colour is the sky in your world and how high of a dosage do you need before it turns back to blue? --Gravekeeper

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