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  • "You don't need an ID"

    I have seen many posts with the general theme of an SC not wanting to show an ID for a purchase, to get in a bar, or, in the banking world, to access their account.

    Today was, for me, an extreme twist.

    Had a "gentleman" hence known as SC who wanted to open a new account. Completely new. He is not a current customer nor has he ever been with us. So, when he answers the request for a photo ID with "I don't have one" it pretty much stops the process. I cannot continue. No new account, at least not right now.

    But of course, I can still go over the details. Let him know what we offer. Make certain he knows about any other criteria for opening an account (valid government issued photo id, proof of address if not on the id or various alternatives we will accept in place of proof of address, $5 minimum opening balance).

    But the SC is hung up on point number one. The photo ID. Apparently his ID got "taken" and from other things mentioned I gather that he had his driver's license revoked. I go over alternative ID options that we can accept: passport, military ID, or the easiest: State ID.

    He asks if we can take a social security card.

    No. It needs to be a government issued photo ID.



    And this is where it starts to turn bad...

    SC tells me (not asks about possible exceptions or alternative, but TELLS ME) that I don't need a photo ID to open an account.

    I inform him that I am sorry, but I do. This is not something I have any ability whatsoever to make an exception about.

    SC tells me that I will make an exception. He can verify who he is by other means.

    No. We do not accept any other means. He can take that verification to the department of motor vehicles or some other place that issues government photo id's and then we will accept the photo ID that they provide for him.

    SC insists that he is GOING to open an account without a photo ID, cash his check (he has a fast-food restaurant payroll check in hand this whole time), and that we WILL make an exception.

    He's not yelling. He never raises his voice. But I tell you, his attitude started to piss me off, and I don't ever let customers piss me off. So, more due to my own emotions than any need of such, I let him know I will get a manager for him.

    I go to my manager, and she can tell that I'm upset. Really don't know why I let him rile me so. But I ask her to "Please come to my office and tell this customer that I will not open an account for him without a photo ID".

    So, manager comes to my office. Nice and smooth, she verifies what the customer wants and tells him the exact same thing I told him.

    And he argues with her about it too.

    Says he can get on a plane without a photo id and if they can make an exception, so can we. Manager tells him that she has no control over the airlines, but at this bank, we cannot and will not open a new account without a valid government issued photo id. No exceptions.

    SC starts to try to "threaten" us. He'll go open an account with [big bank offering $100 to open a new checking with debit card use]. And he gets this sort of smug look on his face like this is going to matter to us what-so-ever.

    Managers says that is fine. Would he like us to locate the nearest location of said bank?

    SC stares a moment, then starts arguing about it again. We don't need a photo ID, he insists, and I wish I could somehow portray his infuriating way of insisting. He's not frustrated or upset; it's more like he's being condescending and explaining what any two-year-old should know.

    Yes, we do. Manager tells him there is simply nothing we can do for him.

    It still takes her another few minutes to get him to leave, which frankly is all we want to do by this point. She does let him know that we will be happy to open the account for him should he return with the minimum criteria, starting with the valid photo ID. He tells us he won't be returning because he is not happy with our treatment of him... then he waits again, as though we're going to suddenly change our mind.

    At last, SC leaves. His parting shot? He's going to go to [big bank offering $100 deal] and without a photo ID because they'll open the account, and be nicer about it too.

    Manager tells him "Good luck with that." and lets me know afterwards that it was the politest thing that she could manage.
    Last edited by bankworking; 03-14-2012, 01:04 AM.

  • #2
    Someone forgot to recharge their Jedi mind trick.

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    • #3
      I thought it was a new law that you have to have id.. not just a policy.. might be wrong though. Assuming Im correct though, major SC if he wants you to break the law.

      Yep.. just checked. Its a federal law.

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      • #4
        You don't need to follow federal law.
        You don't need to follow bank policy.
        You don't need to follow any common sense about this.
        You don't need to verify who he is.
        You don't need him to provide any valid photo ID.
        You will take his word that he is who he says he is.
        You will open this account for him.
        You will have Megan Fox call me for a date.
        After, of course, you have Megan Fox dump her dorko husband.
        You will have Donald Trump buy me a Ferrari.

        And you will bend space, time, and reality and enable me to have a beer with Thomas Edison, Albert Einstein, Clint Eastwood, Steve McQueen, Mick Fleetwood, Thomas Jefferson, The Doctor, Stevie Nicks, Sheryl Crow, Nancy Wilson, Keith Moon, George Carlin, George Burns, Lou Abbot, and Bud Costello. At the same time. On a Greek island cafe. In 1968.

        If not, I shall be forced to take my $32.47 third party out of state personal check and deposit it with another bank.

        "The Customer Is Always Right...But The Bartender Decides Who Is
        Still A Customer."

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        • #5
          Quoth Lachrymose View Post
          Someone forgot to recharge their Jedi mind trick.
          That's what I was thinking. I was about to ask you if he did some weird hand-wave, and mentioned something about droids.
          Sometimes life is altered.
          Break from the ropes your hands are tied.
          Uneasy with confrontation.
          Won't turn out right. Can't turn out right

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          • #6
            "Yes, sir, you go ahead and take your business to that bank you just mentioned! We'll be happy to give you the address because it will mean that you'll be out of our hair and you can start harassing and threatening THEM!"

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            • #7
              Did anyone contact said bank to find out what happened there?

              Bet he goes a bit more hot head by the third bank.

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              • #8
                How the heck did he get on a plane with no photo ID when the TSA is strip searching people now?

                The airlines wouldn't let my aunt get on a plane to go to my mom's memorial service because her driver's license had her first husband's last name and the ticket was booked with her second husband's last name. She even brought her marriage certificate to show that her name had been legally changed, and they still wouldn't bend.

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                • #9
                  Quoth strawbabies View Post
                  How the heck did he get on a plane with no photo ID when the TSA is strip searching people now?
                  Simple: he was lying to them (the bank) to try and get his way, like most if not all SCs are when they make any claims about hwo other places do things or what their friends saw or what they say USEd to bethe case.
                  "We guard the souls in heaven; we don't horse-trade them!" Samandrial in Supernatural

                  RIP Plaidman.

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                  • #10
                    Quoth strawbabies View Post
                    How the heck did he get on a plane with no photo ID when the TSA is strip searching people now?
                    Do you really believe he did?

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                    • #11
                      Sure he did! He got on a plane in 1978 without a photo ID.

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                      • #12
                        Re: the TSA thing. If he has no actual form of photo ID, that's a puzzler, to be sure.

                        But I've gotten on a plane without a valid photo ID before, and this is post-9/11 I'm talking about.

                        I'd gone up to visit my then-GF in Boston for New Year's, forgetting that my driver's license (photo ID) expired on Dec. 31 that year. So I was able to get on the plane to go up to see her, but ran into problems when I needed to go home.

                        I admitted mea culpa to TSA-- it had completely slipped my mind that my ID had been due to expire-- and pointed out that they could see it had only expired a day or two before. Nevertheless, I consented to whatever hoops I had to jump through-- not-quite strip-search, but much more stringent searching than usual-- to get on my plane.

                        Once I got home, you bet your ass I went to the DMV as soon as I could.
                        PWNADE(TM) - Serve up a glass today! | PWNZER - An act of pwnage so awesome, it's like the victim got hit by a tank.

                        There are only Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse because I choose to walk!

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                        • #13
                          Quoth Lachrymose View Post
                          Someone forgot to recharge their Jedi mind trick.
                          Quoth MadMike View Post
                          That's what I was thinking. I was about to ask you if he did some weird hand-wave, and mentioned something about droids.
                          Same thought here.

                          Those are not the droids you're looking for.

                          He can go about his business.
                          Women can do anything men can.
                          But we don't because lots of it's disgusting.
                          Maxine

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                          • #14
                            Quoth morgana View Post
                            Do you really believe he did?
                            Of course he did. Back in 1950 or so.

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                            • #15
                              I've had complaints about my bank's ID requirements, too. We don't need a photo ID. We don't need a second form of ID. We have to take their credit card as a form of ID. (I don't like to take cc's as ID because we keep a photocopy of IDs, and I don't want the bank to have that liability.) We don't need to keep a photocopy of IDs. We don't need their social security number. (Sorry, that's one of the federally mandated pieces of ID. We HAVE to have it, unless you want to pay the up to $1mil fine and serve the up to 10 year prison sentence for us.) We don't need to pull credit just to open a savings account.

                              Lately, we've been getting people who want to open savings accounts so they can cash their tax refund checks. We'll cash government-issued checks for non-customers, but most of these checks are written by the tax-preparers. Then we get complaints when we tell them there's a 9 business day hold for new accounts. "But I need my money right now!" Tough. Oh, and are you planning to keep the account open after the check clears? "No." Then we don't want to go through the hassle of opening an account that will close in two weeks.
                              "I look at the stars. It's a clear night and the Milky Way seems so near. That's where I'll be going soon. "We are all star stuff." I suddenly remember Delenn's line from Joe's script. Not a bad prospect. I am not afraid. In the meantime, let me close my eyes and sense the beauty around me. And take that breath under the dark sky full of stars. Breathe in. Breathe out. That's all."
                              -Mira Furlan

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