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  • P*ssed-off shoplifter hits us with her car!

    Wow, my first day back from vacation was fun!

    Got a call from our biggest store that they’re watching a group of shoplifters and for us to be in-place when they make the stop. I go to their door leading to the rest of the mall, my coworker waits at the outside one. The 2-women with a small child exited into the mall. Store security motioned to me that that was them, and she made the stop. These 2-women, especially the mother of the child, are OUTRAGED! Outraged because store security ‘didn’t see us do nothin’!’ They refused to return to the store, so we followed them while store security called the police. I updated my coworker and gave him a description. The women went out another mall entrance, but then began circling back to the parking lot of the store they stole from; probably trying to fake us out. I’m watching the slower woman while store security keeps-up with the woman with the car keys; oh, the woman with the car keys was the mother, who left her daughter with the woman I was watching, which was what was slowing her down. We split-up in watching them to ensure they didn’t ditch the merchandise. The first woman circled a couple of cars so we didn’t know what was hers, then made a dash to an suv and fired it up. My coworker had just passed that row in the security vehicle, so he backed-up to the suv. I’m still tailing the 2nd woman from about 40 feet away when I see the suv’s reverse lights go on. Great. She backed-up about a foot, then stopped. She knew my coworker was there. Then I see the brakelights go off….

    WHAMCRUNCH! She just ROCKETED backwards into our security vehicle, which rocked hard, but stayed-put. Then she jumped-out of the suv SCREAMING, you couldn’t even make-out what she was saying. She and the 2nd woman start putting her daughter in the suv and she’s saying how we can’t keep her here, she’s going to get away, etc. Store security had already relayed how this woman just rammed our car, so THEN we hear the sirens coming. My coworker was out of the security vehicle and just fine, it’s an old solid-metal car, and telling the woman that he hopes she has good insurance! NOW the 2-women look panicked and the first woman jumped back in the driver’s seat and started flinging clothing out the passenger-side door, screaming “here’s the damn underwear! Take the damn underwear!” Store security told them they had a LOT more than that. The first woman threw some more out, then demanded they be allowed to leave. No can do. The Police pulled-up just then and grabbed the first woman out of the car and cuffed her. The 2nd woman was allowed to stay with the child, as she wasn’t making a fuss. The first woman is SCREAMING how they can’t search her car, she gave the stuff back, they can’t search it! Store security showed the police what the first woman had returned, but explained that at least 4 more items had been taken and that both women had been in the fitting room together, and how when they had entered the store, the 2nd woman’s huge shoulder bag had been limp, whereas it was now bulging. The 2nd woman finally emptied her bag and there was the rest of the stuff. The total was about $300. Another family member finally arrived to pick-up the first woman’s daughter and driver her car home and both women were arrested and taken away. Oh, her suv didn’t even have a mark on it, but the whole back panel of our security vehicle was caved-in. Luckily her bumper missed the tire; those are new! And being metal we’ll probably just have to pop the dent back out and smooth it over a bit.

    We’ll all be going to court over this one. Technically, we shouldn’t keep people from leaving unless the police direct us to, or it’s unlawful detainment. But we can argue that my coworker was sitting there to get the plate number and that she never asked him to move. Meh. She’s lucky she’s not being charged with assault with a deadly weapon. I felt really bad for her daughter though, her mother’s screaming was freaking her out. The mother was also arguing that store security had no right to stop her and that they’d singled them out because they’re (insert race). No, security has a variety of behaviors they look for too. The empty purses were a tip-off, and the fact that the women grabbed a cart and were just tossing items in without looking at packaging or pricing, which is odd. Then they both went in the fitting room together, and left the store after dropping the now-empty cart off at the door. Nope, nothing suspicious about that at all!
    "If anyone wants this old box containing the broken bits of my former faith in humanity, I'll take your best offer now. You may be able to salvage a few of em' for parts..... " - Quote by Argabarga

  • #2
    Fudge...they both really failed at the whole trying to get away with it, didn't they?

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    • #3
      Yet another person who believes that if you admit you stole something they can't punish you... or something.
      - They say nothing good happens at 2AM, they're right, I happen at 2AM.

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      • #4
        I don't see how they can get you with illegal detention since you never arrested them, never even touched them or imprisoned them. And, most states allow some form of citizen's arrest. The only touching involved them attacking your security van, which is their wrong not your company's.

        Combine that with the fact that citizens witnessed them stealing, and the fact that they themselves confessed to the theft - by means of throwing the goods back at you, as an attempt to get out of the charges ... I suspect that will carry much more weight than the fact that a security vehicle was behind theirs for a few minutes... without touching it, until THEY chose to turn their car into a weapon.


        And is it wrong that their claim that the cops can't search their car cos they "gave it back" makes me laugh?

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        • #5
          Quoth PepperElf View Post
          And is it wrong that their claim that the cops can't search their car cos they "gave it back" makes me laugh?
          If it is, then I don't want to be right.
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          • #6
            Wow, another Mother of the Year award. I just cannot believe how many people actually bring their children along on a let's-go-break-the-law "shopping trip."

            Quoth Argabarga View Post
            Yet another person who believes that if you admit you stole something they can't punish you... or something.
            There was a woman in a city near me, who was arrested for shoplifting after exiting a mall. She told the security person that "they couldn't arrest her if she left the store with the stuff." Talk about getting your information backward...
            When you start at zero, everything's progress.

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            • #7
              Quoth LillFilly View Post
              they’d singled them out because they’re (insert race).
              Hey Sucky Shoplifter, even if the security people were racist, you're still a thief. Those are two different issues. How about you choose to never shoplift at that store again?


              Quoth PepperElf View Post
              I don't see how they can get you with illegal detention since you never arrested them, never even touched them or imprisoned them.
              Maybe not, but some stores / security firms have policies against obstucting people from leaving unless they meet some criteria where they are personally absolutely sure they have stolen something.

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              • #8
                You would think if people wanted to partake in criminal activity, they'd keep innocent children out of it, but sadly, I think a lot of people have this stupid idea that having a kid along will help shield them from consequences.

                I don't have a lot of experience or stories in the matter, but from the short time that I worked at the Deb shop, I do know that a common theme with young moms was hiding merchandise in baby strollers, or if caught, blaming infants and toddlers for grabbing clothes
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                • #9
                  Pepperelf, they could argue that we illegally detained them by blocking their vehicle in. That's why we tried to get the police to say to do it, so we would be acting on their behalf.

                  Blas, we had a Debs at my mall too, and that happened all the time! The baby grabbed it and carefully concealed it, folded, under its body...yeah.
                  "If anyone wants this old box containing the broken bits of my former faith in humanity, I'll take your best offer now. You may be able to salvage a few of em' for parts..... " - Quote by Argabarga

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                  • #10
                    Sounds like an average day at the W-Mart where I work!

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                    • #11
                      You might get into some trouble because of blocking them in. Unfortunately, it's a law that protects not only the innocent, but the douchebag criminals, too. I'd sure be pissed if security guards were blocking in my car (which I would perceive as a threatening act) if they were misinformed and I was not a shoplifter.

                      I can see why you'd want to stop them from leaving, though. You'd have to catch them red-handed with the items in order to make the charges stick, since it's not like the store had surveillance in the fitting rooms. Personally, I hope the prosecutor charges the two women for having their young daughter with them while they committed a crime. They were basically trying to teach their daughter that it's okay to steal as long as you don't get caught.

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                      • #12
                        It depends on the jurisdiction. Most states allow you to make a citizen's arrest and hold a suspect for police. If you have made such an arrest, quite a few jurisdictions allow for you to use reasonable force to prevent the detainee from escaping or resisting citizen's arrest. However, this is not universally true, and I assume the OP works in an area with less lenient laws in that regard. I have seen videos, however, of shoplifters being forcibly detained by store security in several places here in the US. This included being physically restrained when they tried to leave or fight.

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                        • #13
                          From the way you described it, a "Being blocked in" defense would hold very little water. Your coworker could justifiably say they had stopped to get the license plate of a suspect, and just happened to be behind the car because that's where he happened to stop after she sprinted.

                          And of course once she HIT your security vehicle, it's now an accident scene, and neither vehicle should be moved unless they had to be moved for safety reasons.

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                          • #14
                            To the extent that any law was broken, the store would probably also be responsible for that since they asked the OP to act as backup as they made the stop.

                            I think it will take a sympathetic judge or jury to get the shoplifters off the hook.
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                            • #15
                              Quoth Jetfire View Post
                              From the way you described it, a "Being blocked in" defense would hold very little water. Your coworker could justifiably say they had stopped to get the license plate of a suspect, and just happened to be behind the car because that's where he happened to stop after she sprinted.

                              And of course once she HIT your security vehicle, it's now an accident scene, and neither vehicle should be moved unless they had to be moved for safety reasons.
                              this. i mean if they were there for hours then sure. but it sounds more like they were there for 5 minutes, maybe 10.


                              so easily, getting the plate, doing slow patrols, ... o look a butterfly!

                              or investigating a littering offense ... since it seems that within a minute of getting behind her the woman started throwing stuff out of the car.



                              and hey she might be too busy trying to convince her lawyer that the cops searched her illegally (cos she gave it most of it back) while the lawyer gives himself a brain injury from too much .... thus never even getting to any other aspect of her case.

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