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  • The Great Scotch Tape Conspiracy

    Another tale from 10 years ago at CVS...

    We had a number of issues with reading credit cards, and we sort of figured it was a combination of some customers' cards being very old and our own older equipment needing to be cleaned and/or replaced. More often than not we found that applying simple scotch tape on the strip and then swiping worked for us.

    ...a particular customer, however, believed that this was part of a scheme to steal credit cards.

    Her: *reaches over and grabs credit card right out of my hands* "Get me your manager. Now."
    Me: "Uuuuuh... okay." *pages supervisor*

    At this point I kinda have a feeling she thinks I'm somehow using the tape to attain the data necessary to make purchases using it, but I'm not entirely sure. I asked the customer what the problem was, and she simply replied, "Just wait until the manager is here!" The supervisor comes and sure enough that's what the customer's fear was.

    Her: "This clerk is stealing my credit card information!"
    Supervisor: "How so?!"
    Her: "He is applying tape on the strip to get my numbers off! Look!"
    Supervisor: "Ma'am, that is done because your strip is worn, and he is trying to swipe it. This is a method we use to have the machine read it successfully."
    Her: "I cannot believe you think I'm that stupid! I've watched this on Dateline, clerks use these kinds of things to steal customers' information! Look!"

    She proceeds to take the tape off of the credit card and show it to us.

    Her: "You see? There's an imprint in the tape!"
    Supervisor: "Ma'am, I assure you--"
    Her: "NO!"

    She then puts her thumb on the tape, and then show us the print that's left over.

    Her: "It's the same idea as this! Just like you have my thumb print, you have my credit card on this tape!"
    Supervisor: "Ma'am, if you'd like you can discuss this with the store manager."
    Her: "You're not her?!" to me "I asked you to get the maaanaaageerrrrrr!"
    Supervisor: "I'm the shift supervisor. The store manager is here tomorrow if you'd like to speak with him."
    Her: "I'd much rather speak to corporate. If I were you, I'd choose another place to swindle customers."

    For some reason I couldn't keep myself from smiling. When these kinds of things happen, it's hard for me to keep a straight face for long, since it was so ridiculous and thoughts and imaginations were running through my mind as to how her efforts at getting us in trouble would likely backfire and make her look like an idiot. It was our district manager who told us about the scotch tape method, and she got it from others in corporate.

    Her: "What are you smiling about?! Look! I've got the tape you used right here, you're not getting it back! And besides, I'm going straight to the bank to have them cancel this card!"
    Supervisor: "Ma'am, if you'd like to speak to corporate, that's up to you. I'm confident they're going to tell you the same thing we are telling you. You can't get data off a magnetic strip using scotch tape. That's simply an impossibility. What you probably saw on TV was people using hand held electronic devices to covertly get data off of a credit card, which people have indeed been victims of. That's simply not happening in this case, however."
    Her: "You're just a bunch of liars. I know what I saw on TV! Scotch tape is being used to commit identity theft!"
    Supervisor: "Are you going to pay for these items using a different method?"
    Her: "What do you think?"

    With that she left, but with a parting word of, "I've got your names!" The supervisor and I, unlike many other cases of difficult and irrational customers, were not shaking or in need of a cool down. We were both quite amused by all this.

    I never got a followup. Either they were able to convince her we were in the right or they did inform the store manager of a possible "ID theft ring" going on in the store, with a covert investigation that obviously went nowhere.

    I'm actually thinking it's possible the latter happened because the store had previously been victim of internal theft, and thus in that way it wasn't necessarily foolish not to pursue some kind of investigation if a customer accused the staff of stealing info, no matter how idiotic the reasoning was.
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    Me: Sounds like a job for Gravekeeper!
    Fiancee: What?!
    Me: Nevermind.

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    Oh my god. People actually believed this stuff? Did she think you could press the tape on some blank strip and BAM! you could use her card info? Does she not know the difference between adhesive and magnetic tape?
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    • #3
      Quoth telecom_goddess View Post
      Does she not know the difference between adhesive and magnetic tape?
      No, she doesn't. Neither do a far too large number of the sheeple out there. Tape is tape. What's the difference?

      Idjit.
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      • #4
        Quoth telecom_goddess View Post
        Oh my god. People actually believed this stuff? Did she think you could press the tape on some blank strip and BAM! you could use her card info? Does she not know the difference between adhesive and magnetic tape?
        People DO believe it, because television presents this shit to them in a very convincing manner. And we all know how gullible the average Joe is. If he wasn't, none of those email scams would ever work, would they?

        Television 'journalism' shows go to great lengths to convince people of stupid things. Don't believe me? Look at your own local news when there isn't much going on. The terrible diseases in ordinary things like computer keyboards, your telephone's handset, the 20 oz soda bottle that you finished and then reused as a water bottle. And look carefully at who's sponsoring those newscasts. Betcha it's some company that makes or sells cleaning products or pharmaceuticals.

        A while back in the early 1990s, I think it was, one network's 'journalism' show rigged a stunt with a Chevy C-series pickup truck to show how incredibly dangerous they were. The premise was the location of the fuel tank made them susceptible to just 'exploding' if struck from the side, similar to the Ford Pinto debacle of the 1970s.

        They tried, and tried, and tried to get the thing to explode for the camera, and couldn't.... so they rigged it with explosives, staged a crash, and set them off remotely at the moment of impact. Of course, only the 'money shot' ever saw airtime. Voila, 'proof' of the 'design flaw'. Problem was, somebody snitched. The 'apology' occupied only about 15 seconds of airtime, and some nonsense about how the danger was still real, even though they couldn't get it to work legitimately on their show. And for the record, the C-series was not significantly any more dangerous than any of its contemporaries.

        More recently, pharmacies and other places that give immunization shots have taken to calling it 'influenza' rather than its more common name.... the FLU. And people actually believe it's a completely different, more horrifying disease. It's all in the presentation.

        I WISH I was joking.

        I apologize for turning this into a soapbox, but this obviously struck a nerve.

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        • #5
          Conspiracy is the last refuge of the truly stupid ..... that's why we have people who believe that pro wrestling is real and the moon landings were faked.
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          • #6
            People don't know flu is infuenza?? *shakes head*
            And OP, you may have been amused, but I am LIVID. How DARE she call you a thief and liar?!?! I do not tolerate libel well, not at all. I'm not a violent person, but I want to smack her. I'm that angry.
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            • #7
              The stupid... It hurts.

              Here is another trick. Put the card in a baggie. Same principle, just no adhesive.
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              • #8
                Quoth Food Lady View Post
                People don't know flu is infuenza?? *shakes head*
                And OP, you may have been amused, but I am LIVID. How DARE she call you a thief and liar?!?! I do not tolerate libel well, not at all. I'm not a violent person, but I want to smack her. I'm that angry.
                Food Lady, it's understandable you're upset. But you have to understand how clever the television scriptwriters are. They presented to her this scenario about how it would be possible for a clerk to 'steal' someone's credit card information - and then the clerk at the store does exactly what the magic picture box warned her about - the so-called self-fulfilling prophecy. Her outrage is actually understandable, if terribly misguided. There are legions of people who believe that if it's on TV, it *MUST* be true. The concept that people on TV might lie or misrepresent something - it's totally foreign to her. And worse, she believes herself to be 'informed'.

                Her life is her own personal hell.

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                • #9
                  Quoth ADeMartino View Post
                  More recently, pharmacies and other places that give immunization shots have taken to calling it 'influenza' rather than its more common name.... the FLU. And people actually believe it's a completely different, more horrifying disease. It's all in the presentation.
                  I assume you're aware that flu variants can be deadly; and indeed horrifying and epidemic or pandemic?

                  Admittedly, the most recent serious influenza pandemic was the "Spanish Flu" of 1918/1919. And normal strains tend to strike the elderly, the very young, and the immune compromised; rather than being deadly to healthy adults.

                  It's a question of risk/reward and herd immunity. Herd immunity is a hot-button topic for me, actually, so I'll shut up here and get people who are interested to look it up instead.
                  Seshat's self-help guide:
                  1. Would you rather be right, or get the result you want?
                  2. If you're consistently getting results you don't want, change what you do.
                  3. Deal with the situation you have now, however it occurred.
                  4. Accept the consequences of your decisions.

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                  • #10
                    Quoth Food Lady View Post
                    People don't know flu is infuenza?? *shakes head*
                    And OP, you may have been amused, but I am LIVID. How DARE she call you a thief and liar?!?! I do not tolerate libel well, not at all. I'm not a violent person, but I want to smack her. I'm that angry.
                    It would have been slander, actually.

                    In print, it's libel.
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                    • #11
                      Quoth Seshat View Post
                      I assume you're aware that flu variants can be deadly; and indeed horrifying and epidemic or pandemic?

                      Admittedly, the most recent serious influenza pandemic was the "Spanish Flu" of 1918/1919. And normal strains tend to strike the elderly, the very young, and the immune compromised; rather than being deadly to healthy adults.

                      It's a question of risk/reward and herd immunity. Herd immunity is a hot-button topic for me, actually, so I'll shut up here and get people who are interested to look it up instead.
                      Actually I read a book about the 1918-19 epidemic. It was one of the most fascinating, and yet horrifying, things I've ever read. That one affected healthy adults, many of whom were soldiers preparing to go to Europe in the first world war. Bodies literally stacked up like cordwood...*shudder*
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                      • #12
                        Quoth Jay 2K Winger View Post
                        It would have been slander, actually.

                        In print, it's libel.
                        Thank you. I always get those confused.
                        "Is it hot in here to you? It's very warm, isn't it?"--Nero, probably

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                        • #13
                          Dangit, Seshat stole my thunder. ^_^;> ... I would also add that we now have better, more accessible ways to control the symptoms. As the strains of Flu are viruses, you technically can't *kill* them, but you can be immunized against them.
                          Quoth Jay 2K Winger View Post
                          It would have been slander, actually.

                          In print, it's libel.
                          ...Was that almost a quote from the (modern) Spider-Man movie?
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                          • #14
                            Quoth Food Lady View Post
                            People don't know flu is infuenza?? *shakes head*
                            Well, people do seem to confuse colds, stomach flu, and other ailments with influenza, which the flu shot does not prevent. Plus, influenza is the "official" medical term. So, TBH I don't see what the big hubbub is about calling it an influenza shot and more than people calling heartburn something a little more sinister sounding, yet more "medically correct:" Acid Reflux.

                            But this is getting into Fratching territory, so I'll shut up now.
                            Fiancee: We're going to need to do laundry. I'm out of clean pants.
                            Me: Sounds like a job for Gravekeeper!
                            Fiancee: What?!
                            Me: Nevermind.

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                            • #15
                              Semi-related: in the spirit of the whole flu/influenze and heartburn/acid reflux thing, check out this classic, amusing, and educational bit about euphemisms by the late great George Carlin.

                              And amusingly, also related to this discussion, I just saw this cartoon on facebook.
                              Last edited by Jester; 09-18-2012, 01:21 AM.

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                              Still A Customer."

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