Oh NO you did NOT just say that!

[Draper Mel]

I will simply say this: the idea that expecting to be paid for your artistic skills is "selling out" just reinforces the idea that those skills are not valued in this society. Just imagine a world where MBAs have to get a second job at the art supply store to make ends meet.

This may be drifting close to Fratching so I won't say any more.

[Jester]

"I'm above trading my time for money."

I would love to be so cool as to be able to achieve this mental state.

Unfortunately, my landlord is not above trading my residence for money.
The grocer stores are not above trading food for money.
The water and electric companies here are not above trading their products for money.
And pretty much everything else that I require or desire in this world involves companies that are not above trading their goods and services for money.

So until such time as all of the above folks get their act together and join us in our higher state of mind, I am going to have to remain not above trading my time for money.

[Limescale]

And now I'm recalling a comment made on another art forum long ago. Long story short, one of the contributors has started a pay site for their more, ahem, risque works, and everyone was making bets on how long it'd be before someone objected to their doing so.

Lo and behold, a month later a certain individual indeed posted a comment about how many more fans they'd gain and how much better it'd be if they created another site where people didn't have to pay to see their adult work.

Much trashing and lols were had in response.

[Andara Bledin]

Eh. Money is really just "barter credit" anyway.

^-.-^

[Sulhythal]

It's not the green pieces of paper(or the whatever colored whatevers) that really matters! even the yellow metal thing. It's what it represents: an exchange. Trading time, skill, or in the case of most retail jobs; sanity, for something that can then easily be exchanged for certain things needful to survive and/or thrive.

though I may have over thought that >.>

but really "I want the benefit of your skill, but don't want to do or give you anything in return" Can't imagine how that direct of a translation would go over well with anyone...

[Kanalah]

Oh what a moron!

Sounds like the same comments I get occasionally.

I usually shut them up with "well on that quilt the materials cost $x, it took y hours to make at $z per hour and I work a 45-70 hour work week. I'd actually work less and earn more flipping burgers, but no I'd rather work myself to the bone trying to sell art to boneheads like you!"

I mean jeez, I'd love to just make quilts for my friends/charities/homeless people/NICU babies/old folk's homes, but I have to pay my mortgage and bills. Not to mention pay for my autistic daughter's special care.

[Silvercat]

Wow, that is total bs. I'd be pissed too.

[AmbrosiaWriter]

*beep beep beep*

Critical Error. A problem has been detected and AmbrosiaWriter's brain has been shut down to prevent any damage to her sanity.

PRIVILEGED_STUPIDITY_VALUE_EXCEEDS_ACCEPTABLE_PARA METERS

If this is the first time you've experienced this, please bring AmbrosiaWriter some Cruzan rum on the rocks and wait for her to reboot. If this message appears again, please bring her to a medical professional immediately.

[Geek King]

Heh. Funny how the ones who adore communal living are usually the ones with the fewest useful skills to contribute. I'd love to see the art critic dropped in a real setting with no "little green pieces of paper."

"Whelp, we don't need no citic right now, but here's a shovel and pitchfork. You can go muck the barn out to earn dinner and a bed tonight."

[Jay 2K Winger]

*beep beep beep*

Critical Error. A problem has been detected and AmbrosiaWriter's brain has been shut down to prevent any damage to her sanity.

PRIVILEGED_STUPIDITY_VALUE_EXCEEDS_ACCEPTABLE_PARA METERS

If this is the first time you've experienced this, please bring AmbrosiaWriter some Cruzan rum on the rocks and wait for her to reboot. If this message appears again, please bring her to a medical professional immediately.

Ah, I think I see the problem, one second...


#include booze.h
#include sanity.h


Let's give her a reboot and see if that works.

[AmbrosiaWriter]

Let's give her a reboot and see if that works.

I think this is why I stopped perusing DA a couple years back. I noticed a wave of users who would either whine or try and guilt trip the people trying to live off what they love doing into giving them free stuff. It's tries my patience, and in this case, required Jay2KWinger to emergency reprogram my brain.

Thanks for that by the way, Jay.

[Ironclad Alibi]

Heh. Funny how the ones who adore communal living are usually the ones with the fewest useful skills to contribute. I'd love to see the art critic dropped in a real setting with no "little green pieces of paper."

"Whelp, we don't need no citic right now, but here's a shovel and pitchfork. You can go muck the barn out to earn dinner and a bed tonight."

Or we could provide all the art critics with a free ticket on the B ark.

[workerbee222]

"I want the benefit of your skill, but don't want to do or give you anything in return" Can't imagine how that direct of a translation would go over well with anyone...

I worked doing alterations for a dry cleaning establishment. I did occasionally do small tasks free for frequent customers. One woman I'd never seen before came in with an attitude and described what she wanted done, and finished up with, "You'll do that free, won't you?"

I was so surprised at her cheek I actually said, "We're not the Sisters of Mercy, ma'am."

It was genuinely meant to lighten the mood, but didn't go over very well.

[sylvier]

He's probably a trust fund baby. But of course, he never actually sees those little green pieces of paper

[Lore]

:

I think this is why I stopped perusing DA a couple years back. I noticed a wave of users who would either whine or try and guilt trip the people trying to live off what they love doing into giving them free stuff. :

This is something I constantly see, and it drives me crazy, too. I know a few people who do things they love for a living (or for supplementary income), but what SCs don't seem to realise is that just because you enjoy doing it doesn't mean they don't deserve to be compensated for their work.

Similarly, not only do people devalue work like that, I often hear about them demanding things for free, especially from artists! "Oh, you draw so well! Can you draw me this...?"

"Sure, for $15."

"You mean I have to PAY for your time and materials and effort?! I thought you LIKED drawing!!!"