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Well my first full blown SC in that they are trying to completely rip me off for my time and work.
It's the same group of people from this thread here: http://www.customerssuck.com/board/s...ad.php?t=94793
I also go on to explain in that thread why those types of "clients" are very bad news for artists and why you should actually steer clear of them at all costs.
Anyway, I did end up selling the rights of the image they wanted to these people, of course at a $25 discount of what I had originally asked for. I figured since the image was already finished and no further work was required I was basically getting free money so I agreed to the lower price.
They get their image; they are happy.
Now, these people want me to make them a NEW image for a shirt design. They emailed me an idea of what they wanted for a shirt. (an already done design on a different shirt but they wanted mine to be similar) I look at the image and reply to them quoting them a price of $200 based on the high resolution and the detail complexity that was going to be included. It was also of something that was a little bit out of my comfort zone (but doable) so I also priced accordingly. I'm mostly an animal/fantasy/nature type artist so things like man made architecture/cityscapes/vehicles are things I tend to stay away from.
For the time, effort and work I put into my art I think that price is fair. I came into this knowing that I was not going to back down from my $200 price because I can easily make up the loss on Fur Affinity fairly quickly. (Fur Affinity commissioners rock!) They didn't think so.
Once I got online today I checked my email and they sent me a reply stating they didn't understand why my quoted price was so high because the other image I sold them was priced "much more fairly" (that's because it was an already made image) and that they wanted an explanation. Keep in mind that I have sent these people links to my Fur Affinity page that clearly shows my commissions journal on my front page, and the list of what I offer and their corresponding prices. I also have several links that that same journal as well as a visual commissions price guide link that you can click on that shows an image graph of my prices and examples. You have to be purposely not wanting to see my prices to miss them on my page there.
At this point I completely see that they want to completely rip me off for my hard work and pay me as little as they can get away with. With what I'm sure they are willing to pay me I'd be working at maybe $2 an hour. Basically sweatshop wages for my art.
Good thing I'm self-employed! Because if I wasn't I wouldn't have been able to send this as a response:
My response below:
"Here is a visual image of my commissions price chart guide. https://www.furaffinity.net/view/8916873/
The reason why (image) was cheaper is because that image was already made and I was only selling you the rights to use the image. Any new from scratch images will have to cost my full commission prices for the corresponding detail and complexity as shown in my chart. My customers on Fur Affinity have been more than happy to pay over $300 dollars for full background commissions.
I think $200 for the shirt is fair for the quality I do and the hours I put into my work. I was making about $300 every two weeks working at my old minimum wage job and my more detailed art takes about that long if not longer to finish. If that price won't work for you then I'm afraid you will have to find someone else to do your shirt designs. I will not go any lower than that price. If that can't work for you then I understand fully if you prefer to find someone else."
At this point I don't even want to do anything else for them and if they are as big of cheapskates as I think they are then I won't be dealing with them for much longer. I will not go lower than $200. Bye bye!
The funny thing is after I got the email I checked my Fur Affinity and a happy commissioner now wants two ref sheets from me. If they want 3 pose ref sheets that almost makes up that $200 right there!
(Edit: In less than 12 hours I have already made up the $200 exactly in other commissions)
It's the same group of people from this thread here: http://www.customerssuck.com/board/s...ad.php?t=94793
I also go on to explain in that thread why those types of "clients" are very bad news for artists and why you should actually steer clear of them at all costs.
Anyway, I did end up selling the rights of the image they wanted to these people, of course at a $25 discount of what I had originally asked for. I figured since the image was already finished and no further work was required I was basically getting free money so I agreed to the lower price.
They get their image; they are happy.
Now, these people want me to make them a NEW image for a shirt design. They emailed me an idea of what they wanted for a shirt. (an already done design on a different shirt but they wanted mine to be similar) I look at the image and reply to them quoting them a price of $200 based on the high resolution and the detail complexity that was going to be included. It was also of something that was a little bit out of my comfort zone (but doable) so I also priced accordingly. I'm mostly an animal/fantasy/nature type artist so things like man made architecture/cityscapes/vehicles are things I tend to stay away from.
For the time, effort and work I put into my art I think that price is fair. I came into this knowing that I was not going to back down from my $200 price because I can easily make up the loss on Fur Affinity fairly quickly. (Fur Affinity commissioners rock!) They didn't think so.
Once I got online today I checked my email and they sent me a reply stating they didn't understand why my quoted price was so high because the other image I sold them was priced "much more fairly" (that's because it was an already made image) and that they wanted an explanation. Keep in mind that I have sent these people links to my Fur Affinity page that clearly shows my commissions journal on my front page, and the list of what I offer and their corresponding prices. I also have several links that that same journal as well as a visual commissions price guide link that you can click on that shows an image graph of my prices and examples. You have to be purposely not wanting to see my prices to miss them on my page there.
At this point I completely see that they want to completely rip me off for my hard work and pay me as little as they can get away with. With what I'm sure they are willing to pay me I'd be working at maybe $2 an hour. Basically sweatshop wages for my art.
Good thing I'm self-employed! Because if I wasn't I wouldn't have been able to send this as a response:
My response below:
"Here is a visual image of my commissions price chart guide. https://www.furaffinity.net/view/8916873/
The reason why (image) was cheaper is because that image was already made and I was only selling you the rights to use the image. Any new from scratch images will have to cost my full commission prices for the corresponding detail and complexity as shown in my chart. My customers on Fur Affinity have been more than happy to pay over $300 dollars for full background commissions.
I think $200 for the shirt is fair for the quality I do and the hours I put into my work. I was making about $300 every two weeks working at my old minimum wage job and my more detailed art takes about that long if not longer to finish. If that price won't work for you then I'm afraid you will have to find someone else to do your shirt designs. I will not go any lower than that price. If that can't work for you then I understand fully if you prefer to find someone else."
At this point I don't even want to do anything else for them and if they are as big of cheapskates as I think they are then I won't be dealing with them for much longer. I will not go lower than $200. Bye bye!
The funny thing is after I got the email I checked my Fur Affinity and a happy commissioner now wants two ref sheets from me. If they want 3 pose ref sheets that almost makes up that $200 right there!
(Edit: In less than 12 hours I have already made up the $200 exactly in other commissions)
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