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  • Treated like a moron (Long vent)

    I got a call from my nephew the other day.
    He had messed up his computer...again.

    I won't go into how he did it, or why, but he wiped his entire drive. I was really angry at him, and wasn't the most patient with him, but when I found out his story, I felt a little bad. I will just say that he accidentally downloaded something that traumatized him pretty badly, and that's why he wiped the drive.

    He is constantly downloading stuff and getting spyware and viruses, and this is the second time he has wiped his drive. On the last computer, it was an older one, so his Dad just decided to buy a new one.

    It's a Dell computer, and they do have the F11 restore function, but he had completely wiped it. He had reinstalled Windows XP, but he didn't have any of the Dell drivers, so it wasn't working properly. I don't know how he had done it, because, as I found out later, the XP disk had a corrupted file.

    I was exhausted, but I went down after work and tried to help him out.
    I have no idea what I did, because, as I said, I was pretty much just running on caffeine at that point.
    I have some knowledge of computers, but probably only just enough to cause problems.
    I ended up doing something that disabled the VGA adapter. For the life of me, I have no idea what I did, or even why I did it.

    Anyway, I called the tech support, and I got this girl who was excellent.
    She didn't talk down to me or make me feel stupid, or even pass judgment on the fact that my nephew had had used a cannon to kill a housefly.

    The problem was, the reinstallation disk that came with the computer had a corrupted file, and every time I tried to do the reinstall, it came to that point and I got an error.

    She worked with me for a long time. Finally, I just said to her that I would check at home for my disk, since I also have a Dell computer with XP on it, and I would try again the next day.

    She said that she was off the next day, but then she gave me her email to send any questions I might have, and she would answer them when she returned to work if I was having problems.

    Unfortunately, I have no idea what I did with my disk. I looked all over.

    When I went back to my sister's, I continued to look around, because I was sure they had an older copy of XP from the other computer.
    I couldn't find one.

    I called tech support again, because I felt that they owed a replacement disk to my BIL, since the original disk was corrupted.
    I got this guy who was really rude.

    Even though I had explained all the same things to the girl the night before, and she had given me a Case#, he was having me try the same things that had not worked previously. He said the computer was just over the warranty, so they could not send me the disk.

    I said, "So, they get this computer. It works fine, right up to the end of the warranty period, and they never have to use this disk. Now, they do, and it's corrupted, but because the computer itself is out of warranty, you won't send a new disk??? So, if they had needed the disk prior to the warranty ending, there would have been no problem sending them the disk. Now, even though they were given a defective item to begin with, the fact that they didn't discover this until just over the warranty period makes it irrelevant?"

    He said he would talk with his superiors and see what he could do, but it would still be several days if they did decide to send it.

    He told me that I needed to find an XP disk.
    When I told him that I didn't know of anyone who could lend me a disk, he was really rude as if he didn't believe me.
    The fact is, I really don't know anyone who would lend me their disk.

    He was having me try some things, and maybe it's because he is used to people being stupid, or because of what happened, he thought I was an idiot, but he was really condescending to me when he was explaining things. He was actually over explaining.
    I finally said, "I told all of this same stuff to the girl last night. She gave me a Case#. Isn't any of this documented so you know what did and didn't work?"
    He excused himself and put me on hold for ages so he could read her notes.

    He came back on and had me try a few other things. He kept correcting me rather rudely on a few points when I used the wrong word. I understand that the wrong word can cause problems and misunderstandings, but only seconds before, I had used the right word, so it was obviously a misspeak on my part. (I am very bad on the phone, and when stressed, I reverse words and stuff.)

    He asked if there was another monitor I could try on the computer.
    It wasn't my house, so I stalled for a second and looked around. I think he took that silence to mean I didn't understand.
    He said, "Ma'am...it's the thing that looks like a TV screen."
    That really ticked me.
    I said, "I am not completely illiterate you know. I do have some knowledge about computers. I realize I made a stupid mistake, but there is no need to speak to me as if I don't know anything."

    We did hook up the monitor and it didn't work either. Then he got really rude and told me that I must have changed settings as well as disabling the VGA.

    He finally said there wasn't anything he could do to help me until I got the XP disk, and he said he would try to see if he could get them a replacement disk, but it didn't seem likely.

    He lectured me for a few minutes on not disabling things on my own and blah blah blah.

    Again, I said, "As I told you, I'm not completely computer illiterate. I understand that I did something stupid. I should never have touched the stupid thng when I was so tired, but I was doing a favour. I realize that my knowledge is not extensive enough to play around with settings like that, but as I also said, to be honest, I have no idea what I did."

    He just dismissed me rather abruptly and thanked me for calling tech support and asked if there were any other issues he could help me with. Riiight!! I know it's a standard script, but really....

    I hung up then, and was pretty frustrated.
    My BIL came home, and when I explained the situation, that I hadn't been able to find my disks, so I couldn't help, he suddenly remembered that his cousin, who was on his way over in about 10 minutes, had XP on his computer. He called, and the guy brought his disk.
    I popped it in, did a reinstall, and then using their laptop, went to the Dell support site and downloaded all the critical drivers and installed them.

    His computer is working.

    I emailed the first tech person and asked a few questions about further downloads, as there were a couple of minor applications and such that I wasn't really sure about. I also told her that I had been most impressed with her service, and would be letting her employer know, but that the second support person had been less than helpful, and was, in fact, insulting in his tone.

    The thing is, the follow-up survey that they send will go to my BIL's email, and he wasn't the person who dealt with them, so now I will have to get them to forward the survey so I can fill it out for them.

    I just hope my nephew has finally learned his lesson.
    I installed the Windows Defender from Microsoft, as well as Spybot and Adaware, and also installed Norton and updated all of them, so I hope this time, he will be more careful.

    He says he won't be using Limewire for a while because he is leery of downloading anything right now.
    Last edited by Ree; 08-29-2006, 02:47 AM.
    Too tired of living and too tired to end it. What a conundrum.

  • #2
    I'm terribly sorry for the shoddy treatment you got there! I can assure ya not all folks there are like the second guy most of em in fact are like the first person you spoke to.

    Just give me a holler through pm or something and I might be able to help ya without you needing to call in further.

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    • #3
      Quoth devlinorrus View Post
      I can assure ya not all folks there are like the second guy most of em in fact are like the first person you spoke to.

      Just give me a holler through pm or something and I might be able to help ya without you needing to call in further.
      Thanks so much.
      That's really nice.

      I should say, that really was the first time I was treated like that by Dell tech support. Maybe he was having an off day, and had been handling idiots all morning. Who knows?
      I admit that what I did was pretty stupid. Even after I realized what I had done, I thought, "You idiot!!!"

      I just found his, "It's the thing that looks like a TV" comment a little condescending.

      The girl on Saturday evening was so nice and patient.

      I recall last summer, when my daughter's laptop wasn't working right.
      The tech guy was amazing. My daughter came upstairs and had this horrified look on her face as she saw all these pieces sitting on the table.
      She didn't see the phone next to my other ear as the guy was talking me through the removal and replacing of all the parts and I think she thought I had tried to do it on my own and broke it.
      Too tired of living and too tired to end it. What a conundrum.

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      • #4
        Unfortunately I've had to use that, it looks like a tv line time and time again....or to let folks know their system isnt a modem, or hard drive or processor....I try to educate them as much as I can, but sometimes folks are as this area is known as...unsupportable.

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        • #5
          Quoth devlinorrus View Post
          ...I try to educate them as much as I can, but sometimes folks are as this area is known as...unsupportable.
          I completely understand that.

          I honestly don't know how you guys do it, really.

          I was frustrated enough with myself, though, and I didn't need him pointing out how brain dead I had been. I obviously knew I had screwed up. I admitted as much. I could have faked and said, "I didn't do anything and all of a sudden, the screen just went black."

          Also, my hesitation was because I wasn't in my own home.
          I had no idea if there was another monitor I could hook up. For all I knew that one sitting on the other desk might have been a dud.

          I accidentally said that I was going to install the drivers, when I meant "program" (meaning XP) and I think he figured I was stupid, even though, only a few seconds before, I had said, "...install the program". It was just that thinking about going to the support site and downloading the drivers was on my mind, and that's what popped out.

          Like I said, I get a little frazzled on the phone.
          Too tired of living and too tired to end it. What a conundrum.

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          • #6
            It's not that bad,just really takes practice.....been doing this here for 4 years, been doing tech support in some capacity for 20 years. You will get some slightly insane or inane calls. I love my job but whew......sometimes I'm glad I have the option to further my options with journalism (returning to college after many years next year). Now amatuer interviewer and reviewer of stuff for a website.

            I do love most of my customers and try to be patient. The worst calls are the ones with folks who listen with their mouths not their ears. If you don't listen to me when I try to explain something, if suddenly the issue is worse, aint my fauld

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            • #7
              Quoth devlinorrus View Post
              or to let folks know their system isnt a modem,
              I had my first "modem" at this job.

              We had taken a tower from an office to do an OS reinstall/memory upgrade. A person from that office called up the Helpdesk later asking if we'd taken a modem. I said quite honestly no, we hadn't. We had just taken the tower. Yeah, she said, that's what I meant.

              If I wasn't close to denying that entire office tech support, I might have made an attempt to explain the difference, but I didn't. I told bossman what she said, and I think he explained it to her.

              That one took the cake in my book. I'm a little surprised it's not a one time stupid person thing.

              Jenni
              SC: “Yeah, Bob’s Company. I'm Bob. It's my company.” - GK
              SuperHotelWorker made my Avi!!

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              • #8
                Just as an added bit of information, if he wants to download anything safely he can download this program called uTorrent and then browse on sites such as demonoid.com and mininova.org for torrents to download. He can get tv show episodes, movies, music, etc. It's a hell of a lot safer than Limewire-like P2P's since the computers only connect via the file, not the users entire computer. Myself, I have download about a dozen new releases and *ahem* movies that are still in theatre and have yet to have any problems with my computer since I have both Norton and a heavy duty firewall installed.
                Last edited by CanadaGirl; 08-29-2006, 04:58 AM.

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                • #9
                  Ree:
                  Good job on fixing it!

                  BUT
                  How old is this Nephew?

                  At least, he owes you a dinner/ lawnmow/ car wash/backrub and foot massage!!!

                  For pete's darn sakes, what the heck are you fixing his puter for? He's a big boy, let him call in the fubar and explain it!

                  Or if you're tired: wait til morning when you're more coherent. It's not fun asking questions to users who cant answer (whether they're zonked or just uneducated.) Sitting behind the phone waiting and wondering....it stretches my brain til it pops

                  I fix the puters, one cust of mine literally says "you do it, ignore me, you fix it, dont ask me anything" and waves her hands in the air. I know better than to explain anything to her; she DOES NOT want it. Her checks are good tho . Personally I believe if ya use the darn thing yalls ought to know enough names/parts to ask questions.

                  But look at me, I called an ethernet cable a PLUGGY today.

                  What do I know?

                  Cutenoob
                  In my heart, in my soul, I'm a woman for rock & roll.
                  She's as fast as slugs on barbituates.

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                  • #10
                    I would have been so severely pissed off at that guy and his snarky "It's the thing that looks like a television" comment.

                    You know, if he were joking, it would be one thing. I would actually laugh at that if it were said in jest, and I think you would have too. For you to be mad, he must have been acting like a COMPLETE and TOTAL douchebag-how annoying!

                    Good on you for getting it to work again, though!
                    "This is the first time I've seen you look ugly, and that makes me happy!"

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                    • #11
                      Quoth Cutenoob View Post
                      I fix the puters, one cust of mine literally says "you do it, ignore me, you fix it, dont ask me anything" and waves her hands in the air. I know better than to explain anything to her; she DOES NOT want it.
                      Tthat, so far, has been my biggest problem in tech support, figuring out if the person I'm explaining stuff to gets it, wants it or wants more info.

                      I'm starting to second my college Calc professor who thought everyone should have red and green LED lights installed in their foreheads. If you're understanding something, the green one lights, if you're confused, the red one lights. That would make part of my job much easier.

                      Jenni
                      SC: “Yeah, Bob’s Company. I'm Bob. It's my company.” - GK
                      SuperHotelWorker made my Avi!!

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                      • #12
                        That's what I hate about calling tech support. I have well above knowledge of their average customer, so I feel like I'm being treated like an idiot. But I can't really complain about it as from my stint in tech support I learned it's easier to just assume the customer is lying to you.

                        So normally when I call tech support (which is very rare), if I think the person on the other end is going to walk me through all the basic trouble shooting stuff and treat me like a simpleton (again, it is a good assumption to have for 90% of the calls) it goes something like this.

                        -Rep: "Ok first I want you to do try rebooting your computer. Go to start..."
                        -Me: "Alright lemme interrupt you there. I really don't want to sound like an ass, but I want to save both of us time. I have a degree in computer science and have worked on tech support for over six months before. So I have a good idea of what I'm talking about and how to do basic trouble shooting. Here's the things I have done to try and fix the problem <List of attempts to fix>. And I know you think I'm lying to you, and I know are supposed to follow a script, but I assure you I am not lying, so just pretend that you followed the script. So can we please skip over the stuff I already did?
                        -Rep: "Ok then. try X"
                        -Me: "Works now. How much time did we save?"
                        -Rep: "10 minutes at least."
                        -Me: "Good. Thanks for the help"

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                        • #13
                          Quoth trunks2k View Post
                          -Rep: "Ok first I want you to do try rebooting your computer. Go to start..."
                          -Me: "Alright lemme interrupt you there. I really don't want to sound like an ass, but I want to save both of us time. I have a degree in computer science and have worked on tech support for over six months before.
                          I tried that, didn't work for me. For some reason I get those guys who can't do anything except repeat line by line.
                          I've lost my mind ages ago. If you find it, please hide it.

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                          • #14
                            Ooh i always hate that when I get someone who reads line by line their script..... I am not a computer tech but I do know SOMETHING about computers - especially when I keep having the same problem over and over - I did get told once "wow you do know what you're doing" - which made me feel good - I'm sure it's rare..... I don't always know what I'm doing but i can remember some shortcuts & things like how to ping your IP.... I'll usually butt in w/ "you mean xyz....." to help them realize that I DO know something and I HAVE done that and we CAN skip ahead.... why can't they skip ahead anyway??? Why is the rule FOLLOW THE SCRIPT DO NOT DEVIATE FROM THE SCRIPT THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS LYING! ??? I mean you are talking to a human being and not a computer so there should be some leeway there I think for the tech to discern whether someone knows something or doesn't and they can skip ahead.....

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                            • #15
                              Quoth LostMyMind View Post
                              I tried that, didn't work for me. For some reason I get those guys who can't do anything except repeat line by line.
                              Yeah, it doesn't always work. But sometimes it does.

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