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  • I'm using a virus and I'm happy with it.

    Old fart calls in to cancel his in-house subscription to his antivirus software and get a refund as it recently renewed.

    First, he bitches and moans about the service he received from the store and this and that. Not really sucky as I know what goes on there, most of those complaints are legit gripes.

    As par for the course when a client asks to cancel the software I ask them what they are using in it's place. 90% of the time I get a proper answer ("None of your business" does not count as proper), but this one took the cake:

    OF: Old fart.
    Me: duh.

    OF: I'm using Cyber Defender.

    Me: Sir, I hate to break it to you but that's a virus itself.

    OF: It's a what?

    Me: It's a virus known as a fake alert trojan. It's a virus that disguises itself as an antivirus program and it's designed to scare and scam you into handing over your money.

    OF: But I have been using it for a year!

    SLD's note: At this point maybe he's confusing it with windows defender, so I ask him....

    Me: Sir, when you open up the program, it absolutely positively says "Cyber Defender?"

    OF: Yes!

    Me: You need to get rid of it and go with something that's reputable. Cyber Defender is a virus and it will harm your system.

    OF: How can it be bad and a scam if they advertise?

    Me: Lots a of scam outfits advertise, it for sure doesn't mean they're legit. Anyone can build a website for a bogus program and have their friends write fake testimonials.

    OF: I don't believe you. Show me proof!

    Me: Go on google and type in "Cyber Defender." You'll get more than enough proof.

    OF: What is your last name, sir?

    Me: We don't give out last names (we're not required to but can if a customer asks... but I'm not giving it to this SC).

    OF: I had to give my last name, why can't you give yours?!

    Me: I can't, sir.

    OF: What's your employee number?

    Me: We don't have those here.

    OF: Whatever just give me my refund!

    I did cancel his subscription and sent a refund request, but of course he had to let me hear him bitch about the time to get it and that he's going to tell Cyber Defender "that we're defaming them."

    Side note: You may have seen or heard the ads for "Finally fast" or "Double My Speed," right? I thought those were fishy so I looked them up and those sites are a front for - Cyber Defender. I remember the TV ads for Stop Sign - I actually feel bad for the people who fall for that one.

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    Wow, anything that's advertised is legitimate? I don't even know where to start with that one.

    There are definitely a lot of fake AV's out there. I lost count of how many times I had to remove one of those from someone's machine. But most people know that it's crap and know it needs to be removed, or they at least ask me before paying anything. But I knew one person that actually fell for one of those. She told me she had "upgraded" to the paid version, but it didn't seem to be making things run any better. I told her straight out, "I can't think of a nice way to tell you that you got screwed, so I'll just say you got screwed."

    Do they still advertise that Stop Sign crap? I remember that used to be a royal pain to get rid of. Better yet, shills for that product used to post over at www.dslreports.com trying to shoot down everyone's claims that it was a bogus product.
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    • #3
      Maybe he created Cyber Defender.

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      • #4
        Quoth sld72382 View Post

        OF: How can it be bad and a scam if they advertise?
        Betcha that guy's got freecreditreport.com bookmarked.
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        • #5
          I hadn't heard of Cyber Defender being rogueware. To my knowledge it's a real antivirus, though slimeware of sorts (I've heard complaints of scanning, finding issues, and being charged more to get the version of the software that actually fixes them).

          I checked with the guys in work chat, and they say it's legit but pretty well useless, and that there's another "Cyber Defender" that actually is rogueware, though I've never encountered it myself.

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          • #6
            Quoth Irving Patrick Freleigh View Post
            Betcha that guy's got freecreditreport.com bookmarked.
            I'm telling freecreditreport.com that you're defaming them! >

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            • #7
              If a company has that cool of commercials has to be legit!!!!!!
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              • #8
                I've had tons of people fooled by those faux antivirus programs. For those that are beyond computer stupid illiterate, it's easy to be fooled by those. Unfortunately it's hard to get rid of those faux antivirus programs/viruses after so long. Hell even in the beginning some of them are a real bitch to remove.
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                • #9
                  http://www.google.com/search?q=cyber...ient=firefox-a

                  First page of Google search for "cyber defender". Nothing about it being a virus itself.

                  That said, however, I'm sure it gives a helluva lot of false positives and installs unneeded junk on your HD. Even legitimate AV programs do that.
                  Why do they make Superglue but not Batglue?

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                  • #10
                    Quoth Zoom View Post
                    http://www.google.com/search?q=cyber...ient=firefox-a

                    First page of Google search for "cyber defender". Nothing about it being a virus itself.

                    That said, however, I'm sure it gives a helluva lot of false positives and installs unneeded junk on your HD. Even legitimate AV programs do that.
                    I just did a bit of research and just like I suspected it has typical rogueware properties: it says that you have a certain amount of problems but then you must pay to remove them, and if you decline to register it gets pretty venomous (popups on the system tray, hijacking of the browser, etc etc...). Plus the infections it finds don't even exist.

                    ETA: The good reviews on sites like Cnet seem to be shills, all the negative reviews say the same thing as I just said about it being rogueware.

                    Finally, I went on their website. It says Cnet reviewed it yet when I went to Cnet's site they actually never have reviewed it, just has user reviews. Maybe that's why the 4 stars on Cnet thing wasn't clickable on the Cyber Defender page.
                    Last edited by sld72382; 01-10-2010, 02:26 AM.

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                    • #11
                      Had a friend DL "Win AV Pro 201" or something like that. Wondered why it kept not "fixing" the issues it found. Attempts to tell him were futile until eventually it was sending enough junk on the dorm network i blocked his PC.

                      Ended up having to leave ally at IT for two days while the removed the all the crap off it.

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                      • #12
                        I got the AV Pro one (or maybe it was slightly different, I forget now) a few weeks ago. Didn't click a link or anything, but I was connected to an unsecured network at the time--maybe one of the other computers had it, and passed it along or something.

                        At any rate, took me two days of instant messaging my programmer friend to kill the damn thing. It kept locking me out of my own programs and documents, saying they were "infected."

                        Though you'd think, if they were going to go to the trouble of creating a site to sell their damn software, they would SPELL CHECK IT. Morons.
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                        • #13
                          CNet doesn't list it as a Virus.

                          http://download.cnet.com/CyberDefend...-10811874.html

                          A lot of people complain about it, and a lot of people rave about it. You either love it or hate it, I guess.
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                          • #14
                            For a while Cnet listed StopSign as an available download, so don't take that too seriously.

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                            • #15
                              Stopsign!!!

                              SHUDDER!!!!
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