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  • Habits of Highly Defective College Students

    As some of you may be aware, I've recently left a lucrative position squinting at little plastic parts at a soul-sucking pit of hell in order to go back to college. My eventual goal is to become a social worker, but for now I need to work my way through the ranks. I need a general associates degree, then a bachelors, and onward and upward.

    Right now I attend a largish college that boasts about 8,000 students. The vast majority are about a decade younger than me and every day it's a battle not to tell the lot of them to get off my lawn. In the meantime, I observe them. Perhaps this is just the way things are done nowadays, but really...?

    1 -- Be late. It doesn't matter which class it is. No matter what time of day, someone is late to every class. Sometimes multiple people are late. To a degree I could understand it, because a lot of people commute to this school from far afield, a very busy street bisects the campus and sometimes you have to wait to cross the street, and the entire campus is crammed onto a series of very steep hills and very low valleys -- meaning that if you need to get from A to B, chances are excellent that you'll be going up or down a hill or a long flight of stairs. These things all take time, but still... Before I started, I visited the campus and went on a dry run to make sure I knew where my classes were, and how long it took to get from one to the other. And, even though I'm not and have never been a morning person, I'm still on time to my 8am class. I really don't understand why you can't be on time for the 2pm class.

    2 -- Be social. In just about every class, people are up and down and in and out the door, clutching their phone. An urgent text message? An email that just couldn't be ignored? Maybe even an actual phone call? Who knows? Whatever it is, it's common enough that the teachers don't even seem to notice. It's a wired world we live in, but really? Perhaps it's time to start playing the phone-stack game in class.

    3 -- Be stupid. Contrary to popular belief, there are, in fact, such things as stupid questions. For instance, because I'm so terrible at math, I have to take the Derp Math class wherein we go over such exotic concepts as how to determine the perimeter of a rectangle. The instructor of Derp Math is absolutely smitten with word problems and in one such perimeter-finding expedition, we were instructed to find the perimeter of a hotel's new fitness center, then determine the area, then determine how much it would cost to cover the floor with a special shock-absorbing tile. It is a fitness center, after all... However, one student didn't feel he had enough information to determine the answers, and wanted to know what kind of tile it was that would cover the floor. Was it a specific brand? I looked over at the girl who sits next to me -- a very social creature who is always texting -- and we asked each other at the same time: "Why would you ask that?"

    That's all I have at the moment, but the school year is young. I'm only three weeks in. As I see more, I'll update.
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  • #2
    I'm in my capstone class at community college. This is quite literally the first class I've taken where everybody seems to take the class seriously. There was one person late the first day, only because he was given the wrong start time. Other than that, no one's been late, and no one's asked a moronic question. I'm somewhat flabbergasted.
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    • #3
      Quoth ArcticChicken View Post
      I'm in my capstone class at community college. This is quite literally the first class I've taken where everybody seems to take the class seriously. There was one person late the first day, only because he was given the wrong start time. Other than that, no one's been late, and no one's asked a moronic question. I'm somewhat flabbergasted.
      One of my instructors at a community college mentioned that she decided to leave teaching at the bigger university nearby to teach at the community college so that she could actually teach students who wanted to learn. She said she made this decision the day one of her students arrived into class in a bikini and on roller skates.

      Madness takes it's toll....
      Please have exact change ready.

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      • #4
        1 -- Be late.
        Same here. Only here it seems to be the same students who are late for every ... single ... class. Are they taking a quick run around the campus -- or perhaps across the city -- during their break times? Who knows?

        2 -- Be social.
        OMG ... this is a global epidemic! Only in many of my classes, they don't just text and email -- they chat! While the teacher's talking!! Once last semester one student (not me, alas) called out the students and they shut up, at least for a while. A couple of teachers -- some of the ones I really like -- are either resigned to it, or perhaps can't hear it ...

        3 -- Be stupid.
        Haven't run into that in my program, although frankly, if I had, it'd probably be me asking the shtoopit question ...
        Your twit sounds like a keener who figures that if a little interest is good, a whole lotta interest is even better, and that if they ask TONS of questions about each and every assignment/question, the teacher will just love them to death.
        Little do they know that most teachers will want to either strangle them, or run screaming from the room the minute they see the kid preparing to say something.

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        • #5
          There was a guy who would bring in his laptop and play games every day in a debate class I took.

          All of the behaviors you mentioned are why I'm a huge advocate of telling students not to go to college immediately out of high school. Give it two or more years, find a job, figure yourself out, then go.

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          • #6
            I have to admit that I often took my laptop with me to classes. Most of the time, I used it to take notes. I really did! Except in one literature class. I referred to the professor as "Dr. Shatner" because he spoke with the same unnecessary dramatic pauses as the actor of the same name. And each class was just us discussing the book we were reading, never covering any testable material, so I would sit on the back row and do my psychology homework.

            Never late, though. Never late without a darn good reason and a shade of embarrassment on my face.

            As for the stupid question? Been there. One classmate, in Math 1040-Statistics, raised his hand on the second day to ask, "But 62% of statistics are made up on the spot, right?" I think he was making a joke, but the professor was obviously insulted, and nobody laughed.

            Then, in another class, one girl exclaimed in frustration, "I don't even know what a verb IS!" This was in an English class... on advanced grammatical concepts... with at least two semesters of prerequisites... designed for would-be English teachers.
            I suspect that... inside every adult (sometimes not very far inside) is a bratty kid who wants everything his own way.
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            • #7
              Quoth Merriweather View Post
              One of my instructors at a community college mentioned that she decided to leave teaching at the bigger university nearby to teach at the community college so that she could actually teach students who wanted to learn. She said she made this decision the day one of her students arrived into class in a bikini and on roller skates.
              I'm not surprised.

              i've been to both a university and a community college - both actually part of the same state university network. in the university it was oversized classes in auditoriums, lots of drama going on etc. in the community college it was high-school sized classes, and lots less drama. granted i only lived in the dorms in university; in the CC i had an apartment*, so i may have missed out on dorm-drama but for the most part it seemed... a better deal at the CC (plus cheaper!)



              * glad i did that too. who wants to be 35+ in a dorm full of kids when I'm probably the same age as their parents? (not to mention the entire campus was DRY, bleh)

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              • #8
                Quoth Merriweather View Post
                One of my instructors at a community college mentioned that she decided to leave teaching at the bigger university nearby to teach at the community college so that she could actually teach students who wanted to learn. She said she made this decision the day one of her students arrived into class in a bikini and on roller skates.
                Welcome to Southern California. Admittedly, it's been over 30 years since I was in school full-time, but I remember people coming to class straight from the beach. (Of course, this was UCSD, right on the coast - many days I would spend on the beach doing my homework. Then go to class. Only sometimes changing, so I was guilty of it too.)
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                • #9
                  I haven't been in college for 8 years but some of the issues you describe are not new:

                  - Beyond students being late for class, there were a few in my program who did not graduate and therefore missed their degree because they failed an ONLINE CLASS. The dumb thing about this is that the online classes were literally the easiest courses on the planet. You could probably be dumb as a rock and still find a way to pass.

                  - This was before smartphones and texting was super popular, but as part of my business program we were all issued laptops to use in class. Even before Facebook and Twitter, college students were still masters at wasting time in class fiddling on their computers. I remember kids playing solitaire, Street Fighter emulators and the like. Heck, one guy even watched porn regularly during class.

                  - Didn't get much in the way of stupid questions, but I did get a lot of "don't give a shit" type students. These are students who I would assume are getting their way paid by mommy and daddy and -- you guessed it -- don't really give a shit.

                  I felt really bad for one of my professors because practically everyone took her class as a complete joke. It was kind of lame, it was basically an entire course on professionalism. But she was a good professor and didn't deserve the flack she got from the students. I am proud to say I got an A in that class.
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                  • #10
                    Quoth Captain Trips View Post
                    Welcome to Southern California. Admittedly, it's been over 30 years since I was in school full-time, but I remember people coming to class straight from the beach. (Of course, this was UCSD, right on the coast - many days I would spend on the beach doing my homework. Then go to class. Only sometimes changing, so I was guilty of it too.)
                    Student in bikini didn't even have that excuse - opposite coast, and beach was miles away from campus. Sigh.
                    Last edited by Merriweather; 02-01-2013, 02:30 AM.

                    Madness takes it's toll....
                    Please have exact change ready.

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                    • #11
                      Quoth CrazedClerkthe2nd View Post
                      - Beyond students being late for class, there were a few in my program who did not graduate and therefore missed their degree because they failed an ONLINE CLASS. The dumb thing about this is that the online classes were literally the easiest courses on the planet. You could probably be dumb as a rock and still find a way to pass.
                      I can't speak for anyone else, but I refuse to take online classes. The reason why is because I'm aware of my own limitations and I don't know that I have the self-discipline to not goof off online if I had to take an online course. I have a feeling I'd completely forget to participate in any of the online discussions, do the work, or anything else, and thus fail the course. Not because I'm dumb as a rock (I'd say I'm at least smarter than marble), but because I can't always concentrate the way I should.
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                      • #12
                        Quoth Merriweather View Post
                        One of my instructors at a community college mentioned that she decided to leave teaching at the bigger university nearby to teach at the community college so that she could actually teach students who wanted to learn. She said she made this decision the day one of her students arrived into class in a bikini and on roller skates.
                        Quoth Captain Trips View Post
                        Welcome to Southern California. Admittedly, it's been over 30 years since I was in school full-time, but I remember people coming to class straight from the beach. (Of course, this was UCSD, right on the coast - many days I would spend on the beach doing my homework. Then go to class. Only sometimes changing, so I was guilty of it too.)
                        Quoth Merriweather View Post
                        Student in bikini didn't even have that excuse - opposite coast, and beach was miles away from camput. Sigh.
                        Welcome to southern New Mexico, too. It wasn't unusual for people to show up in not much more and barefoot at NMSU. We're nowhere near water, we're almost all beach. Also closing in on 90F by the middle of May, if not the beginning. The temps just go up from there. And we don't cool down until October.

                        I was actually under doctor's orders the week after Spring Break one March not to wear shoes because I had gotten a 2nd degree sunburn on my lower legs and feet and had the blisters to go with it.
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                        • #13
                          Quoth Jay 2K Winger View Post
                          I can't speak for anyone else, but I refuse to take online classes. The reason why is because I'm aware of my own limitations and I don't know that I have the self-discipline to not goof off online if I had to take an online course.
                          I took 9 online courses and 1 independent study to finish my degree. In my experience the ease of the course is as much dependent on the instructor's designs as it is the person taking it.

                          For example, I had one course where the instructor required us to schedule individual chat sessions within a certain time window. (hated that one, totally defeated the purpose of taking the course online)

                          Had another prof who had full class chat-room discussions. Similarly felt that one sucked, but this prof at least let the class settle on when to meet. He then set his own schedule around it, which ended up putting him on at like 3am his time because he was in Portugal for the entire class.

                          I had one course where the prof literally gave us all the material for the course right at the start and said, you must have this all done by the end of term. If you have questions e-mail me. Otherwise work through it on your own time, no deadlines, no limitations other than every test/piece of homework must be done at the end of the term. (everything was insta-graded by the software so the prof literally had to do nothing but answer questions if we had them)

                          The vast majority of the courses were like a normal on campus class with soft deadlines. Read chapter x by x date. Post an answer to a discussion question. Comment on at least 2-3 other answers by x day at x time. Write paper/take this test by x date at x time.

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                          • #14
                            Quoth Lvl_9_Gazebo View Post
                            1 -- Be late.
                            There's no excuse for being late. In the community college system (please note Lvl 9 Gazebo and I live in the same state), the attendance policy generally is if students miss more than 1/16th the total number of hours of the course (#hours/week x # weeks of the course), the student does not meet the objectives of the course and gets an automatic D regardless of academic score.

                            We have lost students out of my nursing program (they can get readmitted but they have to repeat the course) for missing too many hours.

                            It's called "learning professional behaviors."

                            Quoth Lvl_9_Gazebo View Post
                            2 -- Be social.
                            Professors can and should set policies on electronic devices in the classroom. My rule is, you can leave once to take a phone call. After that, you can't come back to class and you're absent for the rest of the day. Phones must be set to vibrate, or you can be asked to leave and not come back. My time is valuable. So is that of your peers. I don't tolerate it being wasted.

                            Quoth Lvl_9_Gazebo View Post
                            3 -- Be stupid. Contrary to popular belief, there are, in fact, such things as stupid questions.
                            A couple of weeks ago, a student prefaced a question with, "this might be a stupid question, but . . . "

                            I then said, "There are no stupid questions as long as the door is closed."

                            Everyone turned around to see if the door was closed

                            Quoth Chanlin View Post
                            There was a guy who would bring in his laptop and play games every day in a debate class I took.

                            All of the behaviors you mentioned are why I'm a huge advocate of telling students not to go to college immediately out of high school. Give it two or more years, find a job, figure yourself out, then go.
                            Some of my colleagues don't like students using their laptops in class because of stuff like this. They want the student to pay attention.

                            My feeling is this: if you do a good job of engaging the class, they won't waste time on Facebook playing Mafia Wars. And some students really do use their computers for taking notes or other legit classroom purposes.

                            And if they're not, I do not give a rats ass. These are adults, not children, and especially not MY children. If you waste your time in my class, don't come crying to me when you flunk my course. As long as you are quiet, do as you will. If I can hear your You Tube playing Gangdam Style, then I'll have something to say, but only then.

                            Quoth HawaiianShirts View Post
                            One classmate, in Math 1040-Statistics, raised his hand on the second day to ask, "But 62% of statistics are made up on the spot, right?"
                            Some people have no sense of humor

                            Quoth HawaiianShirts View Post
                            Then, in another class, one girl exclaimed in frustration, "I don't even know what a verb IS!" This was in an English class... on advanced grammatical concepts... with at least two semesters of prerequisites... designed for would-be English teachers.
                            A couple of semesters ago, my students were expressing their unhappiness with their exam scores. I'd told them before the test, that the material was across the life span.

                            They were upset that there were Peds and OB questions on the course because it wasn't a Peds or OB course (it's the capstone)

                            Quoth Merriweather View Post
                            Student in bikini didn't even have that excuse - opposite coast, and beach was miles away from camput. Sigh.
                            She'd have been asked to leave my class, and not to come back unless she were properly dressed. I'll mark a student absent if they don't bring their lab coat on lab day.

                            College policies back me up on this.

                            Quoth Jay 2K Winger View Post
                            I can't speak for anyone else, but I refuse to take online classes.
                            Online classes aren't for everyone. If you know your own limitations, that's a good thing. I encourage students to consider whether they can have the self discipline to follow through with the work; if they can't, they should do face to face classes.

                            Quoth Pagan View Post
                            Welcome to southern New Mexico, too. It wasn't unusual for people to show up in not much more and barefoot at NMSU.
                            I knew an English prof at Minot State in North Dakota who wore sandals year round. His sole concession to winter was socks.


                            Quoth Pagan View Post
                            I was actually under doctor's orders the week after Spring Break one March not to wear shoes because I had gotten a 2nd degree sunburn on my lower legs and feet and had the blisters to go with it.
                            Sensible! You'd have gotten no grief from me on this.

                            Quoth Chanlin View Post
                            I took 9 online courses and 1 independent study to finish my degree.
                            I did my Master's in Nursing online. It had a lot of advantages for me; the nearest brick and mortar school was a 2 hour drive away, I did not have to start over when I moved (graduate credits are rarely transferable), and I could work more easily around my work schedule. I'd do again, though not at that school; it was way overpriced.
                            They say that God only gives us what we can handle. Apparently, God thinks I'm a bad ass.

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                            • #15
                              Quoth HawaiianShirts View Post
                              ... "But 62% of statistics are made up on the spot, right?"
                              99% of flunkies strive assidiously for that status.
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