Again, I say this with the utmost respect. I am not being a bitch who is saying "I won't train retards!", I am just saying that I am one of those people who has no business teaching people with learning disabilities.
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Quoth cinema guy View PostMy father taught kids with learning difficulties. I wish I had a ounce of his patience and compassion, because I hate training anyone to do anything at work.
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When I was working for a private university, I was the only person hired to do certain tasks assigned to my department. It required a lot of training and skill to do the job, so it was somewhat of a specialty position.
I was the second person hired to do this job since it had been created four years before. My predecessor happened to have been male. I happen to be male. Because of two males having held the position, one zealot of a tenured professor decided that this was sexual discrimination. She went so far as to ask for an investigation into the hiring practices of my department. Never mind that the department had a staff of four; and my boss and one other employee were female - as was my boss' supervisor.
The professor's crusade lost much of its credibility when the university released the statistics on who had applied, and ALL of the applicants had been male. This professor had a reputation of seeing everything as male vs. female (few male students dared to take her courses). Despite the statistics, the professor still hated me for the rest of the time I worked there."Ignorance is no excuse for a law."
.................................................. ..................- Alfred E. Newman
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The problem with this is that there are people who honestly believe everyone on the planet can all do the same jobs, regardless of disability. It's a nice idea, but it's just not true.It is a terrible thing to see and have no vision.
-Helen Keller
I got this av from Court Records, made by Croik!
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To recap:
Topic of thread:
Caregiver so obsessed with stirring up trouble and finding fault with the hiring practices of the bar, that he wasn't actually doing the job he was paid to do.
drift of thread, which has been stated by a moderator as being more suitable for www.fratching.com:
the hiring of disabled people.
Hope this friendly reminder has been helpful.Too tired of living and too tired to end it. What a conundrum.
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Quoth customersruinmylife View PostSC: Hmmm, I notice you don't have any disabled people behind the bar.
Quoth marasbaras View PostEveryone deserves an equal shot. But, if you don't qualify or can't do the job, you shouldn't get it.
That's why I'm not on the cover of GQ.
Quoth cj1991 View PostI'd like to know what a caregiver for disabled people is doing bringing them to a bar. Are they buying them liquor? Seems odd to me.
Quoth cj1991 View PostI went to an "all male revue" once with some people I know, and was shocked that there were two women there in wheelchairs. They were very disabled - they were wearing bibs, and one had a helmet. They made noise, but didn't speak. I don't know who I was more angry at - the caregivers for bringing them, or the men in the revue who would gyrate at them. Disgusting on both levels. Trust me, those women in the wheelchairs didn't ask to be taken there that night.
Point 1: How do you know that those women DIDN'T want to be there, or that they hadn't asked to be there? They very well may have been enjoying the hell out of themselves. Just because someone is disabled in one way does not mean their libido is disabled. If the women wanted to be there, and they were of age, I think it was very kind of the caregivers to bring them there. Hell, for all we know, the caregivers were the ones that didn't want to be there! Seriously, though, you are doing the same thing that the caregiver in the OP was doing: making assumptions without knowing all the facts. When you assume, you make an ASS out of U and UME.
Point 2: I have to side with the male dancers here. More than one disabled person has told me and others that the best way to deal with disabled people is to treat them like everyone else. Which I happen to agree with. Well, what do male dancers do? They gyrate at women! So gyrating at THOSE women is treating them JUST like the other women in the club. And, referencing my first point, if the women wanted to be there, I am sure they didn't mind the attention.
Back to the original post, the caregiver was an overzealous buttinsky, who didn't know the bar staff, and was making many assumptions.
At The Bar, we have no pygmies working. None at all. Is this discrimination? No. See, we have had no pygmies apply to work there. Can't hire someone who doesn't apply. And frankly, if an able-bodied pygmy applied, I think Rockin' Manager would hire them, as much as we have so many of our servers flake out and split for various reasons.
Anyone who makes short jokes about ME being a pygmy will cause me to unleash Gravekeeper's rapier wit and MystyGlitter's physical violence upon them!
"The Customer Is Always Right...But The Bartender Decides Who Is Still A Customer."
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Quoth Jester View PostI don't know where you live, but I often dine at bars and at restaurant/bars. Some of the best food in this town is in the bars! So I do have to side with the caregivers on this one.
Okay, this is off-topic, and I apologize (hope the rest of my post stays focused), but I HAVE to respond to this.
Point 1: How do you know that those women DIDN'T want to be there, or that they hadn't asked to be there? They very well may have been enjoying the hell out of themselves. Just because someone is disabled in one way does not mean their libido is disabled. If the women wanted to be there, and they were of age, I think it was very kind of the caregivers to bring them there. Hell, for all we know, the caregivers were the ones that didn't want to be there! Seriously, though, you are doing the same thing that the caregiver in the OP was doing: making assumptions without knowing all the facts. When you assume, you make an ASS out of U and UME.
Point 2: I have to side with the male dancers here. More than one disabled person has told me and others that the best way to deal with disabled people is to treat them like everyone else. Which I happen to agree with. Well, what do male dancers do? They gyrate at women! So gyrating at THOSE women is treating them JUST like the other women in the club. And, referencing my first point, if the women wanted to be there, I am sure they didn't mind the attention.
1) I live in a rural area with a large religious presence. We have restaurants that serve liquor and may have bars, but they are different entities. You don't have to order food through the bar. The only places I know where you order food through a bartender is an acutal bar that serves finger type foods or light menus (burgers and fries, etc) on the side, so if I misunderstood that, sorry.
2) Not to make light of the women who were at the all-male review, and not to pick on the differently abled, but - putting this as nicely as possible - they were wheelchair bound. They sat in reclining wheelchairs with headrests and tray tables, which would indicate to me that they were in their chair all the time. One wore a helmet, and both wore bibs, and they constantly.......sorry for this......drooled. Their hands were kind of drawn up - fingers bent - hands bent at the wrist. In the 45 minutes I sat next to them before the show started, they did not seem to be able to talk, but rather just ........sorry again......... make random noise, so I really doubt that they asked to go. My cousin works with the "profoundly disabled" (her terminology), and these ladies reminded me of the ones my cousin works with.
Maybe you had to be there, but it looked like (and not just to me, but to the whole table I was sitting at and the tables around us) that they were just there because their caretakers wanted to be. One of the women at our table (and sister of my co-worker who I went with) was a caretaker for our local State-run home for the, um, mentally handicapped who have no one to take care of them was also of the opinion that these women were not asking to be there. She also didn't think much of the men hanging on their wheelchairs and gyrating in their faces and taking the money from their fingers that their caretakers put there.
But that's just me and my opinion. To each their own. Just figured I'd explain better. And I know what happens when you assume, but I wasn't the only one who held that same opinion. Not trying to argue, but again just better explain my opinion.Oh yeah? Well I have a few words for you! Like YOU, and ARE, and A MORON!!!!
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Since the issue of hiring people with disabilities is so popular, I've taken the liberty of starting a Fratching thread about it.
It's here.
Have fun!Seshat's self-help guide:
1. Would you rather be right, or get the result you want?
2. If you're consistently getting results you don't want, change what you do.
3. Deal with the situation you have now, however it occurred.
4. Accept the consequences of your decisions.
"All I want is a pretty girl, a decent meal, and the right to shoot lightning at fools." - Anders, Dragon Age.
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Quoth Jester View PostAnyone who makes short jokes about ME being a pygmy will cause me to unleash Gravekeeper's rapier wit and MystyGlitter's physical violence upon them!"I can tell her you're all tied up in the projection room." Sunset Boulevard.
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I'm sorry, but my first thought to the carer's continued: 'you haven't hired anyone with disabilities' after being told that none had applied, 'Mister, you ain't Mel Gibson, and this ain't Field of Dreams. We have built it. They have not applied.'
But even if I were in that situation I wouldn't have said it. I'm too polite.I'm sorry, the person to whom you were speaking has been replaced by a recording. Please leave your message at the sound of the beep.
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