ID rant.

[Becks]

<snip> To wit, the only acceptable forms of ID are state-issued driver's licenses, state-issued ID cards from the state we are in<snip>

While I can understand why the NJ DMV doesn't accept out of state IDs as ID (it makes sense if I DON'T think about it...), WI had digital IDs and DLs BEFORE NJ did. Hell, they're only NOW starting to convert the old, laminated ones to digital ones. NJ, very progressive state...

[CrazedClerk]

On a vacation to Mississippi this past summer I was able to purchase alcohol using my Canadian (Ontario) Drivers License as ID with no problem.

[alphaboi]

How can any state expect to have anykind of tourism industry if out-of-state visitors can't buy alcohol?

[Jester]

On a vacation to Mississippi this past summer I was able to purchase alcohol using my Canadian (Ontario) Drivers License as ID with no problem.

How can any state expect to have anykind of tourism industry if out-of-state visitors can't buy alcohol?

As I stated, most American servers treat Canadian driver's licenses as state licenses. Technically speaking, we are not supposed to, but realistically speaking, I don't know a server who doesn't. It is one of the murkier areas of this.

As for Alpha's comment, it is only out of state state-issued ID cards, not licenses, that we are supposed to refuse. In other words, licenses from any of the 50 states or Canadian provinces, ID cards from only within the state they are issued from. Confusing, yes...but I thought I stated it rather well in one of my earlier posts on this thread, seen below.

Not too dissimilar from most of the alcohol ID laws I have worked under (mostly in Arizona and Florida). To wit, the only acceptable forms of ID are state-issued driver's licenses, state-issued ID cards from the state we are in, US Armed Forces ID cards, and international passports. That being said, most servers I know probably do take out of state state-issued ID cards, as well as Canadian driver's licenses, since for all intents and purposes of IDs being known to us, Canada and the US are about the same.

Can you tell I used to be a trainer for a corporate chain restaurant? For YEARS?

[Anakah]

What I don't understand is why people would go anywhere without their ID's. For example, coming to the cage to cash out.
"I forgot my ID"
That drives me insane! I think its a gaming law as to where you MUST have your ID on you at all times on the floor.
"But she's cashing out not me"
It doesn't matter. Everybody has to be 21 reguardless of the situation if they are to be anywhere near the cage.
"I'm just cashing out, why do you need ID?"
GRRR!!!! I had a girl ask me this when she just wanted twenties for her hundred.
Me: I have to make sure everybody is 21.
I feel especially bad when I have to card someone who is autistic has down syndrome or something else. I feel bad.
This woman had her son with her and he didn't look 21 and he had down syndrome.
"Ma'am, is he 21?"
"Yes but I forgot his ID"
I'm thinking oh man... I hate telling them that I can't help them unless the other person leaves. I know they can't be left alone... So what did I do? I had the supervisor tell her nicely. It's not my laws-- I didn't make them but I still feel like crap having to tell people that.

[XCashier]

Okay, I have no idea what the Uncle Ace reference is about, but even so, that comment is about the nicest thing anyone has said to me all week.

Uncle Ace = Ace of Diamonds, one of the moderators here. He's posted many well-written and memorable stories here.

[Jester]

What I don't understand is why people would go anywhere without their ID's.

Technically speaking, you HAVE to have your ID with you if you are purchasing alcohol, no matter HOW old you are...even if you are 96. At least, that is the way it is in Arizona and Florida, and having talked to fellow servers from many other places, it seems to be that way in most, if not all, of the States. And yet....

"I forgot my ID."
"I don't have it with me."
"It's in the car."
"You can trust me."
"Do you really think I would be drinking if I wasn't of age?"
"I left it in the room."
"But I don't drive."
"Everyone knows me."
"I can't find it."
"I never get carded."
And of course, my all-time favorite (which luckily was only said by one truly spectacular SC...
"But I'm twenty three!"
"banghead:

Uncle Ace = Ace of Diamonds, one of the moderators here. He's posted many well-written and memorable stories here.

Cool. I shall take the reference as a compliment then, and get all warm and fuzzy. Wait, no, that's the booze doing that...but still, thanks for the compliment!

[alphaboi]

...As for Alpha's comment, it is only out of state state-issued ID cards, not licenses, that we are supposed to refuse. In other words, licenses from any of the 50 states or Canadian provinces, ID cards from only within the state they are issued from...

How come you can't accept non-drivers' ID cards from out-of-state, but you can accept out-of-state drivers licenses? They're both issued by the same agency and contain the same information. How our tourist who don't drive expected to be able to drink?

[JustaCashier]

Why do people think I am joking when I do this?

Ummmmm.......Because your name is Jester?


*Ducks*

[Jester]

How come you can't accept non-drivers' ID cards from out-of-state, but you can accept out-of-state drivers licenses? They're both issued by the same agency and contain the same information. How our tourist who don't drive expected to be able to drink?

The reasoning behind this is very simple. It is far easier to fake a non-license ID card than a license. It is also easier to get said ID card under false pretenses than a license. Therefore, many underage individuals have ID cards, some of which look like the real ones, some of which don't. The idea is that you are familiar with your own states ID cards.

Now, I am not saying I agree with any of this. I am just telling you what they tell us in these periodic alcohol-serving seminars we are forced to attend.

As for your questions about the non-driving tourist, my guess is that the people who make these rules would advise those people to either get a driver's license (getting one does not mean you have to drive after that, ya know), get a passport (which, really, more Americans should have than do), or deal with the pain of not drinking out of state. Frankly, this does not come up too much, to be honest. And for those to whom it does occur, I would remind them of this One Truth I have learned. Life ain't always fair. Deal.

Ummmmm.......Because your name is Jester?

You should duck. Since you and I and everyone here knows my name is not actually Jester.

It's Foole.

[Anakah]

I had a man and a girl come up to the cage today. The man looked old enough to be the girl's grandpa and was cashing out some chips. The girl, however, I wasn't sure if she was 21. I'd rather they get pissed at me than me loose my job.

Me: "Can I see your ID?"

Girl: *points to her wrist* isn't this from YOUR casino!?

I didn't even bat an eye. She had on a completely different casino's wrist band. Ours are very easy to distinguish. The wrist bands are a way for us to tell if they are old enough, to all those who look like they're 12 when they're like 30. That's for them. Now, this girl was snotty and it wasn't our casino so I still asked for some ID.

OLD man: But I'm the one cashing out!

Me: I'm sorry sir, I have to make sure everybody who is up here is 21.

Old Man: She's 21, turned it last may!

I mentally rolled my eyes. Sure sir, I'll believe you and loose MY job!
Meanwhile the girl flops down a rolled up birth certificate filled with her Social security card, some library ID's and other weird ID crap that doesn't even remotely go by our standards of "ID." In fact I'm wondering what moron gave her one of those wrist bands.

ME: None of these are proper ID.

Girl: This is F****** ridiculous! I F-ing hate this casino! (turns to old man) I'll meet you by the bathrooms.

She huffed away.

Old man: *glares at me* Not everybody has a license, you know!

I kept silent but I wanted to yell: Ever heard of a STATE issued ID. And when did I ask for a license? I asked for ID. GRRRR.

I cashed him out and that was that.

[Cia]

Don't know if it is still legal but at one time if a married couple were in a bar and one is underage, the legal spouse can just show their marriage certificate and buy drinks for their spouse.

[chantal]

The only way I can serve someone IN SOME STATES, without ID is if the person who is ordering their drink is their legal guardian. They guardian orders it, I serve to the guardian, the guardian gives the drink to said minor. That is actually legal...

Not having to do with alcohol, but having to do with ID. I had a mother try this with me when she brought her 10 year old daughter into the "adult" store where I work. Um, I don't care if YOU say she can be here, THE LAW says every one in the store must be 18. You'd be surprised how many people bring their kids into the store. It's cool if it's a baby or in a stroller or something, but if the kid is running around or whatever, then their out of there.

[Casino Jockey]

the weirdest sitiuation i had was when i was living in ontario - here in australia the age to buy ciggies and beer is 18. i was about 18 and a half when i moved to ontario - only to find i could not buy my smokey treats.

when i turned 19 i went out for the night with my canadian friends and was hit for ID. i showed my aussie learners licence and was allowed to enter most places, as i din't want to loose my passport (with my visa in it. - i was going home in a few weeks and i didn't want to have the hastle of getting it replaced) one place i went to didn't want to let me in, but as soon as i said something they could hear the accent and relented..

[Kogarashi]

Had a guy buying paintball equipment the other day who I had to ID because he looked like he might be too young (for the CO2 stuff, you have to be 16, and for the paintballs and guns themselves, you have to be 18). He hands over something that looks like it went through a lawn mower. Not only that, but it was expired by a few months.

I let the old-enough girl in the group pay for everything, because even though the lawn-mowed ID was not valid anymore by any stretch of the imagination, it did show the guy was old enough, and the store was closing for the night. If he'd been trying to buy cigarettes, though, no deal.